Dick Allen

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The vast majority of players wind up playing for more than one MLB team. Odds are, no matter how he turns out, Eloy will be headed elsewhere at some point.

It depends on how you define serious. The Sox offered A Rod nowhere near what he received. Tanaka, they offered a good amount, but nothing close to what it took. Serious to me and not getting him is coming in second 1 or 2 games behind. Coming in second 20 games behind isn't serious.

I am kind of with you there. If they are serious and intend to bid right with the highest offers, that will be one thing. If they play the "well take a little less, play for Ricky, he speaks Spanish, and everyone loves Chicago" tact, they normally use..then it's the more things change, the more they remain the same.

7 years ago, the only current players on the Sox 40 man who were with the team were Yolmer who was Carlos in A ball, and Kevan Smith who was just drafted. With JR's advanced age, and of time itself, there really is no way of knowing what things will be like for the White Sox in 2025.

I agree. I would love to watch him play, but if patience is required in a rebuild, patience it shall be, and that includes waiting for Eloy. Besides, all the fans who love draft position would appreciate Delmonico or Palka in the line up anyway. But if for some reason they do call him up, attending games becomes far more interesting.

You're right, we have no idea what things will be like in 7 years. They could be extreme either way, but the Sox might as well take the insurance with an extra year. Worst case scenerio, the team isn't what we all hope, that extra year will get you a bigger return if Eloy has to be traded.

It's the way of the world. Everyone knows the rules. The fact is, as great as Eloy has been, he hasn't played a whole heck of a lot. It's obviously an excuse, but it's a reasonable excuse. Is Kris Bryant's relationship with the Cubs broken? Is Carlos Correa's with Houston? Or George Springer? Players take advantage of what they can take advantage, and teams do as well. Keeping Eloy down while unprecedented for the White Sox, isn't an unprecedented move in MLB. I'm sure his agent has let him know the exact scoop.

He's doing great. I'm not arguing that. Whether it's sustainable....I would bet his numbers drop a bit if you give him 100 more ABs, and if they don't, great. The Sox will have this guy an extra season by having him spend an extra month and a half in Charlotte. To me, 7 years from now, that will be the best trade Rick Hahn made for that season.

So your argument is because they didn't before, they should never do so again. That makes no sense and you know it.

Kris Bryant in 2014, (when he went back to AAA to start 2015) AA 297 plate appearances .355/.458/.702 AAA 297 plate appearances .295/.418/.619 Combined 594 plate appearances .325/.438/.661 I think the example works fine

Again, I answered it. You chose to ignore my full post and explanation. And there are plenty more. Moncada was going to be playing for a bad White Sox team anyway.

I wouldn't doubt it either, but there is a difference. And using that as a measuring stick isn't realistic. He probably could hit better than Adam Engel while he was in A ball. But no one would have wanted him called up. Let him finish the next month in Charlotte, take a break, maybe play some winter ball, and go back to Charlotte for a couple of weeks next year, and get the extra year. At this point, it is really shortsighted to not do that. If anything, it's a complement to the player. They know the rules. He's more than aware what can happen. Everyone gets on the White Sox when they miss a loophole. Yet, here's one they appear to be taking full advantage, and people are still complaining. The new toy will still be new next April.

Nothing wrong or illegal about collusion, yet there was NO COLLUSION. But if there was............. This guy is like a 3rd grader.

I also mentioned plate appearances, which you conveniently ignored. Go back and read again. I said if Eloy had a couple of hundred more and he was doing this, they would have to call him up. I am being consistent. You are arguing to argue. I have money invested in White Sox tickets. I would love to watch Eloy play this year, but I know its the wrong thing to do. This isn't a franchise that dances with the luxury tax, and if half the guys here are half as good as hoped, and they spend on all these free agents, that extra year of control will be critical. Yoan will be reaching bigger paydays when these younger guys are still making peanuts. Another bit of a difference.

So you say Moncada was rushed. He has over 200 more plate appearances above A ball than Eloy. And he still got into a lot of games last year. And what did that do for him? Learning from your mistakes is a strength, not a weakness. Give Hahn credit for doing that, although it was not exactly the same thing.

If Jimenez had a couple hundred more plate appearances above A ball, and he was doing this, they would have to call him up, but why do it if you don't have to? I thought rebuilds were about patience. Be patient, get the extra year of control. If he spends an extra month in AAA, it isn't going to make him a bad player, and if it somehow did, something else would have anyway.

This is the box I'm checking.

We can only hope the White Sox have too many good players for their 40 man roster. Right now, I can name 12 or 13 who no one would blink if they were DFA'd. 2019 is a long way away roster-wise right now. Guys will either play their way on or off, or the Sox will trade a couple.

This basically cost the Sox nothing. They weren’t going to spend that money. He was really tough in AA. Maybe they found something. Definitely worth the deal.

Wow. Sox just sent $1.5 million in pool money to NYY for a lefty AA reliever. Good call.

Last night was the Sox highest total attendance since opening day. I was there and there were more people dancing than I can remember. People are tired of losing. A nice Sox comeback and everyone jumped out of their shells. Winning is fung. Next season is going to be interesting. I think far more fans are expecting a huge jump, than those who think another year of this is OK. Maybe people on this board understand next year probably won’t be a big hit, I don’t think that feeling is shared throughout White Sox fandom.

Don’t get me wrong, trading them is the correct thing to do. I just think there will be minor league free agents this winter that are far more interesting then what they get back.

I agree at least one will go, but it will be a boring return.