Dick Allen

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) I don't understand why people are afraid to accept this. It's okay to not like the Cubs and root for them to fail. In fact, for the next two years that's really all we'll be able to cheer for as we lose 100 games a year. Most of our prospects wont be settled in until 2020. No, it's so beneath some. They need to get over it. It's a game. We aren't wishing death on anyone, just bad baseball. There is nothing wrong with hating the Cubs and hoping they lose every game they ever play, especially if you live in Chicago and have seen the discrepancy in coverage the past several decades. The game threads seem to be more intense as well.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 03:07 PM) James Shields: 4 out of his 5 last starts have been... BAD. Can he pitch a good one today? Arrieta has pitched decent over his past 5 with 3 good/great starts and 1 really bad start. Tim Anderson has a modest three game hit streak going, can he keep it up? Yoan Moncada has had a rough start to his W'Sox major league career and in particular this series. Can he turn it around? Will Melky still be on this team tomorrow? Who knows! Seems like it will be aaround 80 degrees tonight, but it'll feel closer to 90 degrees. He pitched a good one vs. the Cubs last year, although there seemed to be some luck involved. I'm not holding out much hope of clinching the cup tonight, but it would be sweet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) Now the only thing to do is to sit back and wait for the most obvious post ever. 45 years of failed ownership......

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) I don't hate the Cubs, except maybe 4 times a year. Guess I'm not a Sox fan. No one ever said that, but White Sox fans who hate the Cubs aren't all meatheads. It's a pretty big rivalry, just check out tonight's attendance. The Sox don't draw that on a Wednesday night for Cleveland or KC or Minnesota or Detroit, teams some would say are the White Sox real rivals. They are rivals and always will be. I would imagine most people living in the Chicago area know more Cubs fans than Sox fans and know more Cubs fans than fans of any other team. It's nice to stick it to them whenever there's a chance.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 01:34 PM) He did it to save funding for his stupid f***ing wall http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/t...e-scenes-240990 Apparently he forgot his campaign promise about who was paying for this ridiculous wall.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 01:21 PM) Cordell seems to be surprisingly talented for a "low ceiling" guy. He hit 19 homers in 107 games last year and 18 HR in 125 games the year before. He has 10 this year in 68 games. He's a 20+ HR/year bat who doesn't have major strikeout problems, is a good runner, and a solid defender in all 3 OF spots. His production in AAA this year tells us there really isn't much risk in terms of whether he's going to be a MLB player, though obviously there's never a guarantee about whether he will be a regular...it's the hardest thing to know for any prospect, of course. He was old for his level last year and in Colorado Springs this year. But it's possible. Does anyone have any idea when he will be able to play again?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 01:00 PM) This is a whole bunch of effort to nitpick how specific he was when he used "several". We have no idea at what point Jerry was brought into discussions. But even according to above, the deal was done on Tuesday. It was announced on Thursday. Most likely scenario - Jerry brought in earlier when the JImenez/Cease barrier was broken, which could have been Monday. Fanfest was all weekend. So 3 days - several. Or it was only 2, and Sherman should be fired, because that is only a couple. This said the barrier was broken on Tuesday afternoon according to the quote I gave you, and they were going back and forth on the final pieces Tuesday night. Rick also said the deal was agreed to on Wednesday night, and announced Thursday morning. So, under no circumstance, if any of this story is true, did they spend several days trying to convince JR to approve a trade that was already agreed upon. Maybe Hahn is lying, maybe he hid during fanfest because KW was on the phone saying the old man was starting to budge. It's possible, but I don't think so. And do you really think Hahn would say it would be ridiculous not to trade with the Cubs because of them sharing a city if JR was at least somewhat opposed because of that reason? He's a smooth talker.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) I think we all just need to accept reality for what it is. There is nothing wrong with a little rivalry in baseball. That rivalry ended up with the Cubs overpaying because they knew if all the deals were close, the Sox wouldn't trade with them. The Cubs paid a lot more than any other team would have because of our rivalry. Don't be mad about it guys, sometimes it works in your favor. Yes. When they discussed last year if the teams would ever make a major move, Jed Hoyer was quoted about a tax each team would have to pay to get something done. So apparently, there are "meatheads" on both sides of this "fake" rivalry, that always seems to have at least for most White Sox fans, the series with the most interest since it started, and I would imagine Cubs fans as well, although you can't tell for sure since they always sell out.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) Joel Sherman is a very good baseball reporter. We have no reason to dispute what he says, as Hahn himself said the main pieces were in order ahead of the trade. So Rick Hahn hiding at fanfest was fake? According to this, it was Tuesday that Theo said he would include Jimenez and Case. “At that point, he expressed a willingness to potentially include Jimenez and Case,” Hahn said. “We spent the next several hours, including the bulk of the time while I was sitting at the All-Star Game, texting back and forth trying to put together the final two pieces on the back end of this deal. From Sunday morning until the end of Tuesday night, it was a pretty quick turnaround on things. But you’re only able to do that because both sides, the White Sox and the Cubs, have spent all that time and the scouts and analysts and the front office have spent that amount of time preparing to move quickly this time of year. We had that level of comfort in terms of who these players are.”

When Gonzalez went into the 8th on Monday, it was the first time a White Sox starter had pitched 7 innings since Q on June 16th. The White Sox, who were 3rd in baseball each of the past 2 seasons in quality starts, are now 29th with only 31.

They said they were texting final piece names all through the AS game which was Tuesday night. And the deal was agreed upon on Wednesday night, and announced Thursday morning. This story said it was agreed upon for days. I did hear JR would never have approved it if the Cubs didn't win the WS last year though.

If this story is true, Hahn and Theo were lying when they gave the timeline of the deal. I saw a quote from Hahn that said about 20-25% of the rumors on the intranet about the Sox is true.

So in about 4 or 5 days he goes back on.

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QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) Identical no. I love the absolutism that goes on around here. Cordell obviously isnt GOD. He had a lot less consistency but he possessed some solid power and OPS along the lines of what GOD produced. Quentin put up much bigger numbers as a 21 year old in AAA than Cordell is doing as a 25 year old. Their AA numbers are nowhere near close, and Quentin was 4 or 5 years younger. They aren't similar at all other than they play the OF and are professional baseball players. You would not be able to get a present day version of prospect Carlos Quentin for 2 months of Anthony Swarzak. Up until this season, if Cordell was older than average at a level he did well. If he was younger than average, he was pretty bad. He has changed his swing, maybe some things will go right. The White Sox are due to hit on some of these.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 08:09 AM) Carlos Quentin was a big time prospect that had sort of stalled out a bit in the DBacks system, wasn't he? I don't think Cordell's mom even thinks Cordell had the pedigree that TCQ had. No, and there is nothing similar about their minor league stats. This guy has supposedly changed some things up, so maybe he is interesting. We will see, but apparently some alarms must be going off as the White Sox examine his medical records.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 07:54 AM) I think we all need to ground ourselves with our expectations because it's easy to see that some people here are still high on landing top 10/top 50 prospects. We all just need to remember that typically, it takes A LOT for those higher level players to even be considered in deals. It takes a Sale/Quintana type player or a significant package of great/controllable talent to get GMs to loosen their grip on those top level players. But since acquiring them has somewhat become the norm for us--we're left searching for that same high with guys like Frazier and Swarzak when we need to sit back a little and think about the scale more realistically. I know it's exciting, but the big top-prospect acquisitions are likely over--we were able to squeeze one more out by packaging several players to NY, but the firework show is about to thin out in a major way because we're out of the big names that would actually acquire such high-level prospects now. Our system is absolutely loaded and we were not likely to acquire a difference making prospect or one that would even crack our top 10 for Swarzak or Melky or any SP that we have left to deal. The thrill seekers can get excited if Abreu or Rodon names start to come up, but I just don't see that happening now. But...just because a prospect is not ranked high now doesn't mean he can't become that. If we get someone--it's because our guys have watched him a lot and seen something they think they can either use now or develop. That's what we have in Cordell and that's not a bad thing. High-ceiling prospects are off the table in decent bullpen rental conversations. But a player like Cordell seems like a fair get. Some scouts do seem to love this guy, but tfor me, there was caution even before I had known he was out a month with a back issue. Right now, it's a blah trade. In a year or two, maybe he's really good. I just wouldn't count on it. The only thing is, if Hahn is pulling the trigger, either other teams aren't offering much or the White Sox really like this guy.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 07:46 AM) Brewers Media From the MJS The swap was reported by several outlets and confirmed on the other end in Chicago, but the Brewers had no official announcement Tuesday night. The delay might have been to allow the White Sox to examine medical reports on Cordell, who has not played since June 26 because of a back problem.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 05:15 AM) I don't understand why getting such an old prospect. Those guys never really become good players. Yeah he is mlb ready but that is not really what the sox need. He will get the sox some innings in the field and probably is not below replacement level but I would have preferred a real prospect. You can't expect a big return for swarzak but I would have preferred a young guy with upside. But hahn is of course not an idiot, he probably wasn't offered anything better. I'm just surprised the nats or astros who both need bullpen did not offer more than a possible 5th outfield prospect in his mid 20s. The concept here is nice. Milky will be gone sooner or later. If he performs, he will get a major league opportunity. He can battle wth Engel and hopefully Tilson next year,and if one of the 3 shows they are useful moving forward, that is great.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 09:47 PM) Come on, this kid has a much better set of tools than Coats did. Cmon man. Most here have barely heard of him until tonight. Now he is something. He had a career .299 OBP in AA. He puts up good numbers in Colorado Springs, but so does most of the team. If he truly is a 4th OF floor, think how great the Brewers are going to be if he is their #17 prospect. He seems to have decent tools but nothing outstanding. Maybe he becomes something, but chances are in 2 years we all forget he even exists. Probably will forget who Swarzak is too, but what amazes me is you can get hot relievers for next to nothing during the season. Makes Dombrowski's failure in Detroit more unforgivable to Tiger fans. Losing Swarzak isn't going to hurt the White Sox, and they weren't going to get a surefire guy for him either. This is fine, I just thought it would be a bit better. Obviously the Sox are higher on this guy than many.

He's the secomd coming of Jason Coats.

Keith Law is not a Cordell fan.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 07:06 PM) Yeah his league is definitely the main concern. Wonder if it's like the coors effect at all. Lot of research has been done saying even objectively good hitters tend to have extremely home/road splits away from high altitudes. Look at Fowler, he actually got better leaving coors. The PCL is loaded with good places to hit. But Charlotte is a pretty nice place to hit as well.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) This guy looks like a much better hitter I don't know about that. Colorado Springs is a pretty nice place to hit. He really has no skill that stands out. Chances are he is nothing but a 4th OF at best, but it's for 2 months service of a guy the Sox don't need so fine, roll the dice.

While I thought the Sox could do better, I did mention Trayce Thompson a few days ago, and this guy seems similar, perhaps healthier, so OK.