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If this story is true, Hahn and Theo were lying when they gave the timeline of the deal. I saw a quote from Hahn that said about 20-25% of the rumors on the intranet about the Sox is true.

So in about 4 or 5 days he goes back on.

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QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) Identical no. I love the absolutism that goes on around here. Cordell obviously isnt GOD. He had a lot less consistency but he possessed some solid power and OPS along the lines of what GOD produced. Quentin put up much bigger numbers as a 21 year old in AAA than Cordell is doing as a 25 year old. Their AA numbers are nowhere near close, and Quentin was 4 or 5 years younger. They aren't similar at all other than they play the OF and are professional baseball players. You would not be able to get a present day version of prospect Carlos Quentin for 2 months of Anthony Swarzak. Up until this season, if Cordell was older than average at a level he did well. If he was younger than average, he was pretty bad. He has changed his swing, maybe some things will go right. The White Sox are due to hit on some of these.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 08:09 AM) Carlos Quentin was a big time prospect that had sort of stalled out a bit in the DBacks system, wasn't he? I don't think Cordell's mom even thinks Cordell had the pedigree that TCQ had. No, and there is nothing similar about their minor league stats. This guy has supposedly changed some things up, so maybe he is interesting. We will see, but apparently some alarms must be going off as the White Sox examine his medical records.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 07:54 AM) I think we all need to ground ourselves with our expectations because it's easy to see that some people here are still high on landing top 10/top 50 prospects. We all just need to remember that typically, it takes A LOT for those higher level players to even be considered in deals. It takes a Sale/Quintana type player or a significant package of great/controllable talent to get GMs to loosen their grip on those top level players. But since acquiring them has somewhat become the norm for us--we're left searching for that same high with guys like Frazier and Swarzak when we need to sit back a little and think about the scale more realistically. I know it's exciting, but the big top-prospect acquisitions are likely over--we were able to squeeze one more out by packaging several players to NY, but the firework show is about to thin out in a major way because we're out of the big names that would actually acquire such high-level prospects now. Our system is absolutely loaded and we were not likely to acquire a difference making prospect or one that would even crack our top 10 for Swarzak or Melky or any SP that we have left to deal. The thrill seekers can get excited if Abreu or Rodon names start to come up, but I just don't see that happening now. But...just because a prospect is not ranked high now doesn't mean he can't become that. If we get someone--it's because our guys have watched him a lot and seen something they think they can either use now or develop. That's what we have in Cordell and that's not a bad thing. High-ceiling prospects are off the table in decent bullpen rental conversations. But a player like Cordell seems like a fair get. Some scouts do seem to love this guy, but tfor me, there was caution even before I had known he was out a month with a back issue. Right now, it's a blah trade. In a year or two, maybe he's really good. I just wouldn't count on it. The only thing is, if Hahn is pulling the trigger, either other teams aren't offering much or the White Sox really like this guy.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 07:46 AM) Brewers Media From the MJS The swap was reported by several outlets and confirmed on the other end in Chicago, but the Brewers had no official announcement Tuesday night. The delay might have been to allow the White Sox to examine medical reports on Cordell, who has not played since June 26 because of a back problem.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 05:15 AM) I don't understand why getting such an old prospect. Those guys never really become good players. Yeah he is mlb ready but that is not really what the sox need. He will get the sox some innings in the field and probably is not below replacement level but I would have preferred a real prospect. You can't expect a big return for swarzak but I would have preferred a young guy with upside. But hahn is of course not an idiot, he probably wasn't offered anything better. I'm just surprised the nats or astros who both need bullpen did not offer more than a possible 5th outfield prospect in his mid 20s. The concept here is nice. Milky will be gone sooner or later. If he performs, he will get a major league opportunity. He can battle wth Engel and hopefully Tilson next year,and if one of the 3 shows they are useful moving forward, that is great.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 09:47 PM) Come on, this kid has a much better set of tools than Coats did. Cmon man. Most here have barely heard of him until tonight. Now he is something. He had a career .299 OBP in AA. He puts up good numbers in Colorado Springs, but so does most of the team. If he truly is a 4th OF floor, think how great the Brewers are going to be if he is their #17 prospect. He seems to have decent tools but nothing outstanding. Maybe he becomes something, but chances are in 2 years we all forget he even exists. Probably will forget who Swarzak is too, but what amazes me is you can get hot relievers for next to nothing during the season. Makes Dombrowski's failure in Detroit more unforgivable to Tiger fans. Losing Swarzak isn't going to hurt the White Sox, and they weren't going to get a surefire guy for him either. This is fine, I just thought it would be a bit better. Obviously the Sox are higher on this guy than many.

He's the secomd coming of Jason Coats.

Keith Law is not a Cordell fan.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 07:06 PM) Yeah his league is definitely the main concern. Wonder if it's like the coors effect at all. Lot of research has been done saying even objectively good hitters tend to have extremely home/road splits away from high altitudes. Look at Fowler, he actually got better leaving coors. The PCL is loaded with good places to hit. But Charlotte is a pretty nice place to hit as well.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) This guy looks like a much better hitter I don't know about that. Colorado Springs is a pretty nice place to hit. He really has no skill that stands out. Chances are he is nothing but a 4th OF at best, but it's for 2 months service of a guy the Sox don't need so fine, roll the dice.

While I thought the Sox could do better, I did mention Trayce Thompson a few days ago, and this guy seems similar, perhaps healthier, so OK.

I am kind of surprised the Sox couldn't do a little better.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) Did he really? Or did he just make a double switch so he can get 2 innings out of Beck without him having to bat. Pitcher's spot due up 3rd next inning. Oops. Someone is on to the truth.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) Wow he really did it. This is one of many things that sets him apart from Ventura. Very glad he did that to Anderson. He needd to learn how to be a situational hitter, and just plate awareness and to be mindful of who is pitching. No. Robin did it too and got ripped for it. Remember when he benched Rios for jogging to first? It was called a bush league move on this very site.

I wonder if any other White Sox pitcher ever had 11 k's through the first 4 innings. And had a WHIP of 2.50 to go along with it.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 02:54 PM) And everybody gonna get thrown out now. This is the oddest I have felt about a start in a while. The one thing that is going to be spotty with pitchers in his situation is command. Be happy. 11 k's in 4 innings is pretty rare.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 02:47 PM) And this year he's back to throwing it 10% of the time, so overall he's thrown it 9% of the time in 2015, 10% of the time in 2016, and 10% of the time in 2017. So he had a few game stretch where he tried something different and it worked, and then he stopped it and went back to what he did when he came up. Where am I missing something? With his arm injury, and the down time, he sort of lost the change up. He is working on it pretty hard during side sessions. He had it working vs. Oakland, and knows he needs it.

This game is an L. You can turn it off now. Rodon isn't going deep. No way they use Swarzak, so gas cans only in the bullpen.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) If we aren't contending by 2020, something has gone very wrong. And at the very least, Rodon would be a pretty big trade chip. So being irrelevant couldn't be further from reality.

QUOTE (Yoda @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 01:52 PM) Are the injuries getting the best of Rodon? 2 years ago when he first pitched against the Cubs at Wrigley he was awesome. I was in attendance and he threw 8 shutout innings. No spring training, was hurt and rehabbing most of the year. It will take some time, but he can be really good.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) Yet another rally stymied by the no DH rule Maybe the Sox should play without one.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 11:29 AM) We have very different definitions of big It's the Royals. Although the one reliever is pretty good. And the prospect has amazing stats. The ex-Cub exchange, who cares? Maurer sucks too.