Dick Allen

I doubt they actually gave anyone a physical. If it is true they probably had their medical guys look at his records and they saw something they didn't like. Still, it doesn't appear to be top prospects, so you think a substitute shouldn't be too hard to find.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Why are you even discussing the panda thing? There is zero percent chance that that will happen. Yeah, especially considering Boston has no reason to sell a top prospect and the White Sox just shelled out $50 million for one. That was surprising enough. Thinking they would shell out another $50 million? They rarely do that for major leaguers with terrific track records.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) I like this, but why did the Rangers just sell him basically? To sign someone else.. This new bonus pool is fascinating to me. I don't think you can go over by a nickel.

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) Interesting pickup. He was the #17 ranked prospect for the Rangers. He seems like a "let us take a flier" on this guy type of prospect. I wonder how much of the International slot money that the White Sox had to send. Whatever it was, they obviously weren't going to spend it. This guy got $1.35 million to sign. Hopefully he is a late bloomer.

Joe Kelly just went on the DL. The Sawks may need a reliever. Hahn has several in that aisle.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Guessing medicals would be with regards to the players the Sox acquire, but still, if one guy red flags, just pick another. Yeah I can't imagine a medical issue with a teams 23rd rated prospect holding up a deal. That's easy to fix.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) Maybe a bit, but let's be honest, he's been good not great in AAA. He hasn't exactly forced he organizations hand. You take away the time he was dealing with the hand injury, his numbers would be terrific. But lots of players put up numbers in Charlotte. I am with you. He will play in plenty of meaningless games over the next year and a half to two years, of not longer. What's the rush?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) He said almost in medical stage, which means nothing agreed to yet How much of a medical stage is there for a rental like this? It has to be very minor.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) Hibbard and King were in their mid 20s with very little mileage on them. Yes they had short shelf-lives*, but they were nothing like Holland. They weren't great, but they "bridged the gap" while the big guns developed. The Sox record on picking up these old veterans is putrid....they are so bad that they are unflippable. *each had basically 1 bad year and never pitched again - could have been injury. I just think some competent pitching, while rebuilding, will help. I am also not in favor of intentional tanking for the sake of a couple of draft spots advantage, while many are (and I understand their reasoning). And they were acquired in trades during the rebuild. Near the end of the rebuild you will get your wish, they will see which of these guys are keepers. But in year 1 of that rebuild they had guys like Jerry Ruess and Dave LAPoint. The heroes you hate. But the concept of buying a vet to flip is fine. The Cubs might be on year 109 if they didn't do it. I was opposed to Holland because his style doesn't play well at Sox Park. But he has had flashes of brilliance.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) He had a lot of talent to work with when he took over. Looking back, I think his biggest weakness is that he frequently lacked pitching...2001-2004 was plagued with fifth starter problems; and 2012-2016 had 4th and 5th starter problems. They rent what they thought was a top of the rotation guy, when they really needed some good rotation depth. That's why I really hope that they start silently loading up on pitching as they move some of their pre arb players (who probably have some value) as they bring in the better prospects. Plus, the major league team needs some more dependable young pitching, instead of another round of Holland and Pelfrey. 4th or 5th starter types like they used to rebuild in 1990 - Eric King and Greg Hibbard were 4th starter talents, but they stabilized that 1990 rotation in what was a very quick rebuild after the team was torn down a couple of years before. You do realize Holland was brought in to hopefully flip, and Pelfrey was signed to a minor league contract after being released as depth? Hibbard and King were potentials in Himes' core. But after that season they both fizzled. King got traded for someone worse in Cory Snyder, and Hibbard after a couple of mediocre seasons was taken in the expansion draft. After 1990 they both pitched about like what Holland and Pelfrey are giving the team now.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:20 AM) Lol...so I had it completely backwards. And shocked they ate all that money. They obviously were high on Adkins, or maybe they were just high.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:12 AM) Ah yes, the comp pick. That's what it was. This is when comp picks first started right? So Beane traded Adkins for Durham and then got a comp pick (or picks) in the 2003 draft after he walked. I loved me some KW as GM until recent years, but good god did he have some epic fail moments. The Sox were under the impression comp picks were going the way of the Edsel.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:03 AM) Dude, I still remember where I was when that trade went down and couldn't believe that's all we got. Did we simply refuse to eat any money on his contract? I forgot why the return was ultimately such garbage. They ate everything left in his contract but the minimum.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) I read an article that said Dunning would be 5-7 team's #1 prospect. Also, I read another that said the Yankees and Sox have the 2 best chances of having a dynasty for the next 10 years. The Nationals, Cubs, Houston, Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies....all called future dynasties at some point. Reality is there are probably no dynasties.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 08:21 AM) Not done but this is legit tradewatch. Reminds me of pre Samarj trade. Seems legit. Makes way too much sense again. Hopefully the hold up is another team jumped in. The Yankees would make sense. I don't think it was as close last night as a few made it. He would have been lifted.

I do like that he is not settling. As far as what to rate it, it's incomplete. Prospects break your heart, lets see who pans out. If the all do, they will be the mid 90s Indians with a top of the line pitching staff. Bit that probably won't happen. You just hope up the middle they all work out, and most of the pitchers. Then supplement with a free agent or two, and it could be tremendous. They still are going to have 2 extremely high draft picks. We won't know, or could go any way. But they did get what they had to get for Sale, and for Q. I wasn't happy with the Eaton guys, but if they work out, great. I am glad they got some bats. You have to hit homers to win where they play. They have only had one decent season since playing there where they didn't hit a lot of homers, and that was before they changed the roof and made even more of a bandbox.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) Wouldn't mind this at all but I think BOS gets Prado...STL should be all over Todd I think the BoSox wind up with Frazier. They don't want Prado's contract next year and the year after.

QUOTE (35thstreetswarm @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) ...and just like that, the Chicago Cubs are a losing team with a middling farm system. That is funny. Below .500 and only 1 of 2 teams with no top 100 prospects.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:04 PM) The number of people who attended the collusion meeting is now up to eight, with three still not identified. https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/8859...src=twsrc%5Etfw And Agent Orange didn't know. OK. I think I heard it was 2 days after this meeting the DNC was hacked.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Can we really trust CNN though? It's amazing their fake news and the failing NYT reports have forced Jared Kushner to amend his security clearance forms several times. For some reason they reminded him of some meetings he totally forgot about.

I totally forgot Q was facing Zobrist in the What are you doing Wegner? at bat. A Hawk classic. Now they are teammates.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) Hmph, their opening day payroll was listed as $199 million and they haven't cut money, so yeah there's got to be some weird luxury tax level rules that move how things are calculated around. Yeah, there seems to be a lot of goofball type rules. None of it is straight, but this lines up with another article when they traded Bucholtz, that said it made them about $10 million under after projected arb.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) It isn't about Sandoval, it is about being creative to get another prospect into the system after the White Sox have used up all of their greatest trade chips. So why do you always say the White Sox won't include money in a deal, especially since they signed Robert? Isn't this the same thing if not worse? At least the Sox guys were already accounted for payroll-wise, so if they picked up their money, it doesn't alter their obligations. Picking up another huge expense surely isn't part of the plan, but if they do, they might as well go after their other problem. Odds are stacked against it, but maybe he can at least play.

BTW, the Red Sox are currently under the luxury tax threshold and according to this, can add about $9 million before going over. http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/red-sox/po...ing-stretch-run If you are eating money with them, forget Panda, he's done. Do it with a guy who still may have a shot and they have no room for Rusney Castillo. But I wouldn't even do that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) But in each of those cases you're talking about a price limited by MLB rules/draft slotting. I would certainly pay $12 million for a top 50 prospect. We literally just paid what, 3x that for Robert, and that was under rules with those penalties? The neat thing here is that we could get MLB to chip in about $20 million of the value, give or take what the Red Sox did in future FA years. Is Jay Groome currently a top 50 prospect? That was the trade you proposed.