Dick Allen

Well if kissing Russia's ass is what is "safest" Trump is doing just that. Now they have admitted to at least trying to collude with Russia. I think Jr did that. Trump has basically pissed off a lot of our allies, but continues to have his tongue on Putin's taint. Almost all his staff "forgot" to put down any of their meetings with Russians on their security clearance forms. Once the fake news failing NYT reported these meetings, they were remembered somehow as not being fake. For something that is supposed to be fake news, all the facts so far seem to indicate otherwise.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) Somehow I pretty well doubt that this was the first time, nor the last. Do you think what ultimately got Blago locked up is unusual activity for most politicians? If you speed to work every morning, and one day a cop stops you and starts writing you a ticket, you aren't going to tell him you have been speeding to work for years without ever being stopped so please stop writing this ticket.

Cubs down 10 and they haven't hit yet.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 06:08 PM) There is too much competence on this team for them to bottom out completely. I'd love a top 3 pick but it's not going to happen. Hopefully they make up for that lost value on the trade market later this month. They are currently on a 70 win pace with more from Davidson, Leury, Avi, and Sanchez than you ever could expect. They dump Q and Frazier and Robertson, they will finish pretty poorly.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Unelected and unqualified. What a disgrace this administration is. I am wrong to think if I had my choice of Trumps at that table, Ivanka would be who I would choose? Definetly unqualified, but so is POTUS.

For a party that tried to convince everyone that Obama "didn't love America", they sure do seem to look the other way when the republican president bashes US intelligence on foreign soil and calls meeting Putin an honor.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) I'd rather have a two year old on my lap than get beaten senseless and drug off of the plane. I don't know, having a 2 year old traumatized watching his or her parent beating and dragged might be more than worth your while when the final figure comes in. The supplemental payout for it, should more than cover the child's therapy.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) I think the Bulls lost interest in him when they decided to rebuild. That said, Jerry West is a good eye for talent so the fact that he signed him bodes well for the Bulls overall interest in him, imo. Honestly, I am getting more mad about our decision to rebuild. Look at these contracts and recognize how much of a value proposition Butler was. That said, only the Bulls know how he was in the lockeroom and if he truly was a disaster, then I kind of understand. I saw Nick Friedell on CSN yesterday. He is the Bulls beat guy for ESPN I believe. He basically said Jimmy and DWade were fake leaders, and since the time they called out the rest of the team that one game, everyone looked at them with a WTF look. He said, and I was kind of shocked he would say it, that buying out Wade makes a lot of sense. That things aren't going to start well this season, and only get worse.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 07:27 PM) Rudy Gay to San Antonio One of the all time best.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) I know a trade to them is unlikely but man do the Cubs need a pitcher bad. Lackey just went to the DL with plantar fasciitis and Montgomery getting lit up by the Brewers. Unlikely, but Rick Hahn grew up a Cubs fan. I think he would be more than happy to trade with them. Of course the great Theo would be at the other end. Isn't there a concern about being swindled?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 01:49 PM) Anthony Swarzak is going to be a free agent. He is gone no matter what. What would be accomplished by keeping him an extra month in a lost year? Yes. And if you want him next year, you can always re-sign him then. Might as well see if you can get anything. I agree with SS2k5, no free agent to be has any business being on the White Sox roster a month from now. You want to extend them, just sign them in the winter.

I doubt Bartolo would come to a team with no chance anyways. His last time with the White Sox left a bad taste in KW's mouth.

Ynoa has been stinking the joint up and is out of options. His velocity is down as well. He probably won't be claimed, and will be with the Knights shortly.

I was with my dog in Dallas last week. It's supposed to be $125 each way for the dog. United never charged me. Let me board with the first group. Also let me change my flight for no charge. It was delightful.

QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 06:32 PM) Question, don't know if you have the answer. Say JR dies but the rest of the owners decide not to sell, can JR's kids overrule the rest of the owners or is it a done deal that the club is to be sold when JR dies. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07...chael-reinsdorf

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 05:21 PM) DJ saying team has lacked focus of late I am.not a Renteria guy, but I think it is natural when. half the team might be different in a month.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) yea it's that easy. Tell it to Todd maybe the Sox will hire you as a hitting coach. I always wonder why I unignore your posts. Someone smarter than me with probability can calculate the odds of a 230 hitter fluking into a 265 season. I'm sure it's possible. Just like a coin can land on heads 4 times in a row. LOL..Frazier has hit .260 before. Never let facts get in the way of your ridiculous posts.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) Even though they led wire to wire the memory of 2001-2002-2003 (and the choke in late September) and to a certain extent the fade in the second half of 2004 (due to injuries) were still fresh in fan's minds. "How are they going to blow it this time?" was always there. Why would it be any different if they started having more success? The possibility of choking or fading will always be there.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Actually, there are 6. The A's, Nationals, Royals, Reds, Rays and Pirates. What's interesting in looking through all of them individually, is that most of them set their all-time attendance records in a year where one of the following happened. 1) They had 2 or more consecutive playoff appearances in the years prior. Or in the case of the 2011 Giants, they were in the middle of an every other year WS championship streak. 2) It was their first year of existence. The 1993 Marlins and Rockies. The 1998 Rays, The 2005 Nationals. 3) It was their first (or last) year at a stadium. 2008 Mets, 2010 Twins, 2004 Padres. The only real anomalies are the 2007 Dodgers, the 1997 Orioles, the 2008 Tigers and the 2011 Brewers. I'm not sure what was special about the years they hit their attendance highs.Even the teams that have lower records than the Sox fit into one of these categories. 1993 Rockies 4,483,350 first year of existence 2008 Yankees 4,298,655 It's the Yankees. The one year out of an 18-year span they didn't make the playoffs. 1993 Blue Jays 4,057,947 2nd of back to back WS wins. Skydome had a capacity of over 53,000 2008 Mets 4,042,045 Last season at Shea Stadium 1993 Braves 3,884,720 3 consecutive playoff appearances (including 2 WS) in 91, 92 and 93. 2007 Dodgers 3,857,036 Consistently around 3 million pretty much every year. Not sure what's special about this specific year. 2010 Phillies 3,777,322 Consecutive playoff appearances from 2007 - 2011. Won WS in 2008. 1997 Orioles 3,711,132 team drew over 3 million every year between 1992 and 2001 (minus strike year). 97 was second playoff appearance in a row 1998 Dbacks 3,610,290 first year of existence 2007 Cards 3,552,180 6 playoff appearances in 7 years prior. WS win in 2006. 2002 Mariners 3,542,938 Went to ALCS in 2000 and 2001. Won 116 games in 2001. Attendance steadily declined in following years. 1999 Indians 3,468,456 midst of sellout record, won division 4 years prior 2012 Rangers 3,460,280 went to WS in 2010 and 2011. 2006 Angels 3,406,790 Consecutive playoff appearance 2 years prior and 3 years after. 2011 Giants 3,387,303 Middle of an every other year WS championship. Won it in 2010, 2012 and 2014. 2008 Cubs 3,300,200 First back to back playoff appearance since 1908. Steadily declined until next playoff appearance in 2015. 2010 Twins 3,223,640 first year of new stadium (has gone down every year since) 2008 Tigers 3,202,645 no idea? WS 2 years prior. Payroll jumped about 45 million 2004 Astros 3,087,872 Pretty good jump from 2003. Went to NLCS. 2005 attendance was actually lower. 2011 Brewers 3,071,373 No idea? Pretty good jump from 2010. Went to NLCS in 2011. 1993 Marlins 3,064,847 first year of existence 2009 Red Sox 3,062,699 Build up from previous years. Didn't go down much 2 years after either. Haven't cracked 3 million mark since 2012 2004 Padres 3,016,752 first year of new stadium Never above 3 million since. 2006 White Sox 2,957,414 year after WS win 1990 A's 2,900,217 3rd consecutive WS appearance. 2005 Nationals 2,731,993 First year of current iteration 2015 Royals 2,708,549 2nd consecutive WS appearance. 1976 Reds 2,629,708 2nd of back to back WS wins 1998 Rays 2,506,293 First year of existence 2015 Pirates 2,498,596 Third consecutive year of playoff appearances The problem is that 2005 pretty much came out of nowhere. The fans came out about as well as you can expect for a team that was predicted to finish 3rd or 4th in the division and hadn't shown a lot of promise in the years past. Then in 2006 we came out in droves ready to support the team as much as we could. But they fell short and then 2007 happened and we all figured it was back to the same ole, same old once again. Sure we got teased a little in 2008 but I don't think anyone really believed that team would do much. And we've gotten nothing since then. I'm positive the Sox would support a consistant winner/contender. We just haven't been given the chance yet. The thing about 2005, the White Sox were never not in first place. First place from day one until the end of the season and 11-1 in the playoffs. About as dominating as can be. Yet in September, they didn't even draw 50k today for a 3 day series vs. KC.

The goalposts will be moved once the team does start winning again. They will draw better than now, but they will draw what a mid market team draws when they win. Right now, the flavor of the day is consecutive playoff appearances. Like 2 86 win wild card appearances would trump the 2005-2006 teams. And one huge factor for the 2006 attendance was the amount of people buying season ticket plans in order to secure World Series tickets. Without it, attendance may have been close to 100k lower.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) In today's MLB, with his current hit tool, there is no way he's a 265 hitter, ever. I'm hoping he can stick behind C and in his prime, 25-30, produce some 230/330/400 lines. If he's a decent catcher, that's about 2-3 WAR. If a guy can hit .230, and plays every day, the no way he can hit .265 is silly. It's 17.5 hits per 500 AB.

Like everyone else, it all depends on the return. If it's a real nice prospect, trade him. If it's for a Charlie Tilson type, some one who may be decent, but probably winds up a 4th OF, you might as well keep him. Still cheap with control.

One thing would be to look at all time top attendance figures. You can blame JR all you want but there are only 5 teams that have an all time top attendance mark lower than the White Sox. That to me indicates they are not in reality a large market team. Even when everything goes right, the people don't come out like they do under similar circumstances in other cities.

I'm going to wait a while before thinking Tatis is a first ballot HOFer. I'm guessing he eventually tails off like other future HOFers the Sox traded. Jeremy Reed, Marcus Semien, Trayce Thompson.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 04:53 PM) I think the Sox have been broken for a decade but they are taking proactive steps to try to solve matters. Given the limitations both self imposed and outside of their control this was the wisest course of action they could take. My point though is in reply to the original poster that the Sox will not go bankrupt tomorrow if they "only" draw 1.5 million. Because of the massive and different revenue streams for MLB they are fine financially. Now throw in what is arguably the best stadium deal in all of MLB and the last thing any fan has to worry about is their financial solvency. When (if) they start winning again attendance will be fine. History shows with this franchise you have to win for fans to come out. It takes time but eventually they do. Now if you want to KEEP fans coming out you have to win consistently, which the Sox with rare exceptions (1951-1967, 1981-1983, 2000-2006) have not done. But to dismiss attendance is crazy. In 2012 the White Sox were in first place most of the season, and came in 24th in attendance. The Cubs lost 101 games and averaged 36k a game. There are a lot of things the Cubs were able to do with their rebuild that other teams like the White Sox will not. I know if you and Thad Bosley were running the team there would be a $300 million payroll and $5 face value seats right behind the dugout with almost free beer for everyone, and the team would undoubtedly make the World Series more often than not, but reality says that doesn't happen.