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QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 05:33 PM) It has been reported that Hahn's demand was Moncada+Kopech+Devers and Dombrowski refused to give that up. Hahn settled for Basabe and Diaz, which is a pretty huge downgrade from Devers at this point in time. Right, so figure the same thing is going on with Q. Boston upped their offer once it looked like Sale was headed to the Nats. If RH took what is currently being offered, there is a good chance you would be disappointed.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) What employers are responsible for their employees' reckless behavior outside of the workplace? Why do you think baseball players deserve special treatment? Maybe the countries with the highest auto-based mortality rates should take some accountability here. This issue goes well beyond the world of baseball. And you still didn't answer what kind of support MLB should provide to help curb this issue. They should tell them not to drive fast, and don't drink and drive. It will stop immediately. I am with you, what can be said? They have examples and it continues. I am sure they get some sort of counseling anyway, but nothing competes with the naitivity and indestructible feeling of youth. When I was 15 one of my best friends hopped in a car to go home after school with a guy who just got his license . The driver drove like an idiot, hit a light pole,and my buddy is severely brain damaged for life. Even after that, when I got my license, I drove like an idiot, drove drunk several times, and got lucky nothing happened. Now I won't drive if I have 1 beer. But most of us are in the same boat. when you are that age, bad s*** isn't going to happen to you. Even if it is happening all around you.

So Kellyanne used the term alternative facts for Spicer's press conference yesterday. When pressed on it, she went to GOP talking points, never answering and then calling out some bad info the press gave about a bust being removed. That she called a lie, not an alternate fact. And then went on about how unfair the press is to the new administration. I just wonder how long this can go on.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) Sorry I find the Trump voting demographics interesting, instead of just assuming there are 63 million toothless male white supremacists out there. It is interesting, but I would think very few of the women at the protest voted for him. I think the vast majority of the women in the demographic that voted for Trump, didn't participate, although I am sure there were some.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 11:52 AM) Trump is more concerned about TV ratings. He is very proud of his nearly 31 million viewers. Mention it was 10 million more than 2013, which the second term always has a drop off. So,Rome should tell him Obama had 38 million viewers his first term and people actually showed up in DC for the inauguration not o protest.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) I think your idea to educate guys on the risks is fine, but after that I don't see how MLB should have any involvement. Yah I don't know what they are supposed to do. He was close friends with Oscar Taveras. If that isn't going to move the needle, what would? There really isn't much you can do to . When you are 25 and have the world by the balls, you don't think anything like that would happen to you. It is tragic, but to tell you the truth, I am surprised it doesn't happen more often.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 04:26 PM) So basically you're two arguments are as follows: 1) Since Quintana has been one of the unluckiest pitchers in baseball history, it's safe to assume he'll continue to be one in 2017 2) Despite the difference of the 8th & 2nd picks being three wins last year, no one player can have any impact on draft position whatsoever Please confirm that I'm not misinterpreting your post, because the above is exactly what it sounds like. You think he will all of a sudden get lucky with Eaton out of RF and Avi in? They most likely will trade him pretty soon IMO, but this is a bad team. Probably as bad as they were in 2013 when they were 12-20 in Q's starts. .375 winning pct x 162= 60 wins. Every White Sox pitcher who has pitched well the last 4 years has been considered unlucky. They will be again in 2017 with an offense that was horrible with Eaton, and now doesn't have him, and hasn't added anyone of significance to the 2017 line up. I know you are all for taking less now, but that is silly. The Sox got Frank Thomas with the 7th pick. If they were selecting earlier, they would have drafted Jeff Jackson. Having the higher pick is more desireable, however, it doesn't guarantee the better player. I would rather they hold out for better players that have already developed. You are all over the place though. Need to dump him because he might get hurt or start sucking. Need to dump him for whatever you can get now because he is so good your draft position is going to change significantly if he is kept. Well, if that is the case, you will more than make up for it with the increased package he would command at that time.

The Sox are 58-74 in games Q starts the last 4 years. Taking Eaton out of the offense, I don't think if they keep him during the season(which I doubt) will make much difference in where they ultimately draft.

With all the illegal voting that made it look like Hillary had almost 3 million more votes than Trump, when in reality, the popular vote was a landslide victory for Trump, I wonder why he hasn't made that a top priority to get fixed. He is lucky, he is so great he can overcome that much fraud, but some of his fellow republicans cannot. That should be attacked soon.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) Is reality now fake news? I said this duringthe campaign, Trump is Baghdad Bob.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 09:38 AM) I'll just leave these two tidbits. That's about all i care to comment on this vile man. also here he is making fun of a disabled reporter: He never made fun of a disable reporter. That is just the dishonest media. The p**** grabber is strange. The guy who is being told the story and laughs has his reputation and career ruined. The guy brags about actually doing these things becomes POTUS. It won't take long where just like the people he conned with jobs and prosperity for everyone around his golf course in Scotland, and around the casinos in Gary, the people who voted for him will realize the were taken for fools.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) Yup I'm using recent results to make a judgment on a player because it "fits my agenda". Wanna know an example of a pitch who's never had a down year? Jose Quintana. If you want recent results, look at Archers second half. Pretty nice.

Archer has been worth about 1 WAR a year less than Q the last 3 years. His career ERA is 0.10 higher, his career FIP is similarly lower. He averages about .7 more walks per 9 and a little over 2 more strikeouts over 9. He is signed for about the same money, but for an extra year. He is pretty freaking valuable and could very well be more attractive to some teams than Q. But I don't think he is realistically available right now. Fangraphs claimed he had more surplus value than Chris Sale. If Chris Archer is your # 3 your rotation is pretty stacked at the top.

Q's only scheduled for Friday. Hmmmmmm.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 01:07 PM) I don't know, as much as I want the Astros to get desperate enough to get a deal done for Q, I feel like that kind of bias is leading posters here to underrate them. Their rotation is suspect and they could definitely use Quintana, but their offense and bullpen should be near the top of the AL. The Royals' rotation is even more suspect and this will probably be their weakest bullpen in years (I'd probably put it in the bottom half of the league at this point). The Tigers are still relying on a bunch of mid-30s players and have plenty of rotation concerns themselves. The Rangers' rotation is very top heavy and even with their top 2 Darvish has health concerns and Hamels is a year older after seeing his walk rate go up significantly. I also think their offense is pretty overrated. Seattle looks interesting but I still think they have more question marks than Houston does. I just don't see why any of these teams should be favored ahead of the Astros right now. Think of how good they would be if they had drafted Bryant instead of Appel. Then drafted Rodon instead of Aiken. They ultimately got Bregman, but wouldn't have needed him with Bryant, and Rodon would look awesome in their rotation. Bryant, Correa, Altuve. I could play 1B and it would be one of the greatest infields in the league.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 10:03 AM) A lot of cities that are Chicago's size tax incomes. Found this somewhat outdated article interesting: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-cit...-182112538.html The average effective state+local tax rate for Chicagoans making $25k is 15.6% while it is about 10% for people making $150k, which includes the average property taxes paid by someone at that income level. The numbers for both are likely to be a little lower now since those numbers are from the 5% state tax year. I don't know how someone could have a 10% state and local tax rate living in Chicago unless you don't ever have to buy anything. It's at least 10% every time you open your wallet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 10:12 AM) I know we have gone to the complete and other end of the pendulum, but don't forget that Quintana is signed for the next four years. If you are really looking at a 2019 timeline for being competitive, Q is under contract til 2020. He could still be on your next playoff team if you really believe that is your window. If you don't get an offer that looks to significantly out perform what Q will be able to bring you by the next time you think you will be a playoff team, you sit on him. But he is going to get hurt and/or start to suck this year. They have to get rid of him right now for whatever they can get. Teams will give up a lot for a guy who is just about to get hurt or start to suck.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) Technically Chicago isnt even in the top 30 for murders per capita (last time I looked) so its not extremely violent considering its the 3rd largest city. Gun violence is obviously the largest issue as the other violent crimes are down. There is no reason to live scared. It's still violent and not getting better. Have 4 people shot and 3 women attacked within 2 blocks of where you live in 6 months . I doubt you would think it's not so bad. I live in an upscale neighborhood, and have been here over 2 decades. This crap isn't supposed to happen, and used not happen. It's one reason why my taxes increased. It's not getting better. Hoping for a change, but I have zero confidence in Rahm getting it done. I am a democrat, and think Rahm is an awful mayor.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) I'm all for depth, but the smart move is to acquire several elite prospects who have the potential to be game changers for our franchise Suitors top prospects must be on the table or a deal is not getting done (see Eaton and Sale deals for reference) Yes. If you aren't acquiring game changers, what's the purpose of trading him?

I have lived in the Gold Coast for more than 20 years, and the property taxes haven't been outrageous. They did go up about 25% last year and are supposed to keep rising, but getting nickled and dimed for everything is starting to get old. Gas costs more in Chicago because of taxes. If you want a bag at the grocery store now, that will cost you. I am glad I am not a big soda drinker, a penny an ounce tax is coming in 6 months. A co worker drinks 12 diet pepsis a day. That will cost him an additional $1.44 a day or over $500 a year. But all that still isn't enough to get me to move. Public transportation has really improved the last few years. The bike lanes are great. The parks are nice. The city is clean. Around me there seems to be construction every block, but other places obviously, not so much. I know of several people who left after a Chiberia winter a couple of years ago. I don't blame them, that was brutal, and as each year goes by, cold bothers me more and more. But even the cold isn't enough to get me to move. What is scaring the s*** out of me is the violence. 4 people have been shot within 2 blocks of my home the last 6 months.One died in the middle of Clark St. and they didn't even bother washing off the blood. Had to wait a few days for rain to take care of it. 3 women have been attacked. Obviously there are more violent areas in the city, but it is starting to spread. It has gotten to the point where around me some of the wealthier residence have hired private security to work the streets of our neighborhood. On our block that's 3 nights a week. I won't let my wife walk our dogs at night the other 4 nights. I can't imagine how the people who are living in the neighborhoods that make the news every night with shootings cope. 5 years ago, I would have said I am never going to move unless I'm old and need to for health reasons. But it's getting to the point where I don't want to be too late and either get shot or have my wife shot or attacked. I don't want to live scared, and never have, but I'm starting to get a bit nervous.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 07:07 AM) I just find it hard to believe that in this market where there are literally no other TOR alternatives that offers wouldn't be strong. We all say we don't want Hahn to accept a crappy offer, but why do we think teams would allow one of their competitors to get Quintana on the cheap? For example, if the Pirates' best offer was Glasnow, Hayes, & Diaz, do you honestly think the Astros & Braves would stand pat and not top that? The only way we're going to get a crappy offer is if the market is significantly constrained from the buyer's side and demand just isn't there. And that's simply not the case based on everything we know about interest in Q. My concern is that Hahn will wait for the perfect offer, which may or not never happen by. Waiting doesn't guarantee s***, but it does put our most important asset at risk of losing signicant value from a combination of factors including injury, underperformance, & less favorable market conditions. It also pushes back this rebuild most likely due delaying the development time for whatever prospects are acquired and could greatly impact our draft position next year that has some elite talents at the top. Long story short, I simply don't see the potential reward from holding Quintana until July (or longer) worth the inherent risk and opportunity costs. We have no idea what the real offers are. The fact is, if you are scared not trading Quintana this offseason screws everything up, his being just as valuable is probably a better bet than even if they received the exact same package for Sale all working out. I would imagine the Sox have some really nice offers, maybe one or two where they would pull the trigger, but I think they like another team's players even better and may be waiting to see if they will become involved. Ultimately what will matter is how the guys they get actually play, not where BA or Keith Law or BP or MLB.com rank them before they ever play a major league game.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 11:05 PM) Yeah, I'm starting to get worried too. I'm not going to say much more on this because we don't know the offers, but holding onto Quintana into next season scares the s*** out of me. Has the potential to f*** up this rebuild very quickly. Of all the things in a Quintana deal, the surest thing is Q. If you are worried not trading him will screw everything up, you should be more worried trading him asap and just taking what they can get, will screw everything up. All the guys the Wox received for Sale and Eaton look great on paper, but as of now we really don't know if any of them can really play, let alone as well as Sale or Eaton.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 05:50 PM) Only $12M per for Trumbo...crazy, 5 years ago he probably gets a contract bordering on $100M. I think it might be real tough to get anything other than a couple lotto ticket 19 year olds for Frazier and Melky if/when they do get moved. Frazier put up a 2.4 WAR in 2016 a down year for him. It would be a career high for Trumbo. Napoli was a 1.0 WAR guy. Chances are Baltimore still overpaid. It seems contenders aren't looking for a 3B right now. Eventually at least a couple will be through injury or poor performance. Frazier improves his BABIP, and keeps his career best walk rate up, he should be a coveted guy during the season. Melky, the Sox will probably have to eat some cash unless he is just smoking the ball.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) The one thing is when companies like HBO have been asked about this they really don't care that people share. They can more accurately report on numbers for people logged in watching, and they can still generate detailed reports for ad revenue then. I'm sure they'll end up about the same. Yes. HBO once tweeted a password.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 10:47 AM) Surely if you travel out of market, you won't be able to watch, right? According to Crain's, you can. Maybe I should put my password on Ebay and screw some Cubs fans.