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QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 08:19 PM) D. Rose missed the game tonight and people don't know where he is. Hope he's ok Kind of scary.

When DRose chucks up 17 shots or more, the Knicks are 1-12.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Unlike the White Sox, they won 98 games the year before... They don't take that into consideration during the 2016 season. They were not in contention in 2016. Their window was closed. Maybe it re-opens, maybe it doesn't. But to say they are in year 5 is ignoring year 4.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 02:08 PM) And has a top ten CF prospect ready to step in its place? Looking at his brief stay in AAA, it looks like he may not be ready quite yet, but I would take him.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) That's a completely different issue. The Pirates payroll constraints have no bearing on future payroll constraints that the Sox might or might not have. The Pirates' contention window, however, is starting Year 5 and looks likely to extend for the next couple years. I'd take that window for the Sox... The had just as many wins in 2016 as the White Sox.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) Trump's/GOP's tax plans will also almost definitely include removing the estate tax, something that only effects estates of $5.34M or more. It will allow the McCaskeys to keep the Bears.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:20 PM) I f***ing hate the mindset that trading for too much pitching is a bad thing. Do you guys remember how much trash was in the back end of the rotation during the Sale/Q days? Humber, Paulino, Danks, Latos, Noesi, Shields, just to name a few. That is one of the main reasons why those teams were never any good. The back end of the rotation was a black hole. Having a full 5 man rotation that has talent and potential is the real goal here. I'm absolutely okay with the Sox acquiring Glasnow/Keller if they get Bell, Newman, Hayes, etc. There is no such thing as too much pitching or too much hitting if the object is to win as much as possible. That said, I think the White Sox have to concentrate on position player acquistions. They have been about as poor as you can be developing them, and will need them. This was a bad offense that lost it's best offensive player. In 2 or 3 or 4 years, attrition will take away a couple more of their better offensive players. If they can't develop them, they are running out of trade chips. They need to use Q to get some hitters someone else developed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) Right after a guy has been in the big leagues for 3 months is, I'd say, a pretty poor time to trade him. You'd be taking what might be the worst performances of his career and having people trade for them based on that. Like trading Fulmer now or Rodon mid-2015 - if you're moving them then teams aren't paying "top 10 in MLB prospect" talent for them. If you're bringing guys up, you need to give them a year or two, sometimes more, to establish themselves. You remain correct they won't all stay there, but if Glasnow and Giolito walk a lot of people and have ERAs in the 4s this year and early next year, are you ready to trade them for a weak return just to clear space for Kopech? Or are you trading Rodon then and starting over? Or are you giving up on one of them and putting them in the bullpen. Basically, if everything works well, you've created a sticky situation for yourself. If any one guy struggles, you're debating whether to give up on a 24 year old to replace him with a 21 year old. That's not how you deal with developing pitchers, that's thinking like these guys are big league regulars. Again, if everything works well, you haven't created a sticky situation. There will be always be innings, and the game is changing. The days of 5 starters is going by the boards. Guys at the beginning of their careers are usually on innings limits. Some guy, if needed, could be a guy who goes 3 or 4 innings in the middle. Putting guys in the bullpen is not giving up on them. The game is changing. Bullpens are becoming even more important. How much value did Giolito lose struggling initially? Rodon struggled, how much trade value did he lose?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Are you willing to put Kopech in the bullpen to give them a couple years to develop at the big league level? Depends on the situation. How many teams use 5 starters an entire season? If the White Sox have too much pitching, they can always trade it. To think they will have 6 prospects all studs, and all deserving being in a major league rotation, and they won't be able to accommodate is zany. I want them to trade Q for positon players, but not because they won't have room for another starter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) Right there's the problem - just from guys in the organization already you've listed 5 starters, all of whom we can legitimately expect to be demanding big league innings by the 2nd half of 2018 barring injury. Add in Glasnow...and which guy doesn't get a big league shot? Or which guy goes to the bullpen? If you give me a guy like Keller, fine he gets stuck at A ball this year and he's not arriving until 2019 at the earliest and by then we'll at least have given those top 5 a chance to see if any of them are going to flop, he's down there with Hansen so there's continuing depth building up, but the slash you've already put in there shows the problem. You're not running out a 6 person rotation in 2018, and you're not going to cut one of those guys loose if they struggle in 2017 in their first callup. If all those guys were to work out to where they deserve to be in a major league rotation, it can't be classified a problem.

If the plan is to eventually trade pitching from a surplus for some offense, considering how difficult it has been to develop hitters, perhaps they should use their biggest trade chip pitcher to acquire the hitters. That would be Q. Trading him for more pitching at best will wind up no gain.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) I really like Glasnow as a prospect, but was just mentioning that he has not thrown strikes consistently at all. Scouting reports suggest he can develop into a #2 or #3 starter if the command comes along If that is the scouting report, I don't know why anyone would trade a #1 or #2 starter signed for 4 years at a bargain for a package headlined by a guy who might be almost as good if everything goes right.

I normally don't object to minor league deals, but this is a bad player, bad actor, getting older, who plays positions you have plenty of mediocreish guys you can look at instead. I would imagine this is a Rick Renteria deal from his SD days.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 06:10 PM) Given that i don't think he is actually a loss, this adds another warm body. More people = more chance to find an average major leaguer somewhere. If this is a loss of a player, well then I haven't seen a convincing argument that the lost player has a better chance of being an average major leaguer than the guy picked up. The chances of 27 year old Jason Coats becoming an average major leaguer aren't very good.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 04:51 PM) I honestly don't think Coats is definitively no good, but I don't think there's much ceiling there so I don't begrudge the Sox for risking him. Yes. If the goal is sustained excellence, a guy with a mediocre ceiling is no big loss, if he is a loss.

Houston will improve their rotation. It really doesn't hurt you in the standings ifyou get the pitcher at the Winter Meetings or a day before the season starts.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) Read the first sentence of my post again; and no, my point was that you don't give up on a player after 58 plate appearances. Sure you do. Most players never even get the 58 PAs.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 12:09 PM) It's not a bad answer, but I think it doesn't hold up. In his example you're dealing with a good that is largely fungible and not scarce (a car). Said student does NOT risk being unable to find another car to use when he/she graduates. It is different when dealing with a top of the rotation starter. Should we trade Q today, there's no guarantee we are able to find/have one when we're ready to compete. Obviously, if we're ready to compete in year 4 versus year 3 it changes things a little bit. And they don't pay him much the next couple of years especially. Not trading him now, the White Sox risk injury and declining performance. Other than that, very little IMO. The thought I have is if he continues to pitch like he has pitched, if they hang on to him, how would the offers differ next offseason, or when he has 2 years left on his deal? I think the packages would sound about the same. It is a guy who has 4 years at a bargain price. Those guys generally don't get traded, and generally you don't have to hear how the other team has prospects off limits. Pitchers being traded of Q's status have been guys with 2 years or less left on their deals.What Sale commanded should have been unprecedented. Same with Eaton, and now with Q.

Coats will be 27 years old in February Future Sox had hit between 14-18 in a horrible system last year. Garcia was ranked 12 in a better system. It is an upgrade. Coats is organizational filler who may get small stints filling in for injured players on the major league level, A lot of guys have put up big numbers in Charlotte the last few years.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) I don't expect Coats to be anything special. That said, I do find it annoying that his "shot" in the Majors was 58 plate appearances, and many on this board think that's enough to make a decision on him. Didn't Bregman begin his MLB career 0-34? And, my favorite example: Mike Trout's first 60 career PAs: .185/.250/.352 Jason Coats' first 58 career PAs: .200/.298/.340 if Coats was a highly touted 19 year old like the guy you are comparing him to, you may have a point. But think about how many White Sox outdid Trout their first 60 PA. This team is loaded.

I really hope if the Astros make the deal, AJ Reed is a throw in buy low guyI know a lot of people are down on him, but his minor league track record is awesome, and although he was a bit younger which does make a difference, look at Anthony Rizzo's first couple hundred PA in the major leagues. Brutal. This guy is huge with a lot of potential.he could become a cult hero.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) I can't believe they DFA Coats whiled keeping 4-6 other guys, none of whom can hit .330 ++ in AAA. Avi Garcia career AAA line .367/.412/.532 Coats is just a guy. All these other guys are just a guy too most likely, but at least they have some sort of break out skill.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) Yea I know he'll probably clear and be sent down but it's clear no one in the org is even remotely thinking of giving him a fair shot. Avi is 24 with over 1000 AB's and we know he's awful. But it is what it is. If you are conceding no one will claim him, not giving him a shot seems to be the consensus. I am not a huge fan of this move. Willy seems to be a high k low OBP guy, but he is a couple of years younger so we will see. Most waiver claims turn into nothing.

All the Garcias.

So USA taxpayers ARE paying for the Mexico wall. Mexico will just pay them back, or something.