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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 09:31 AM) When is Beer eligible to be drafted? Sign me up for tanking I hate to sound like Caulfield but Seth Beer would be Brooks Boyer's wet dream. He would have no problem coming up stuff for him.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) I'm probably overreacting, but I feel like if Hahn deals Quintana and Abreu OR Frazier, this team may not win 55 games. It depends on how many other teams are doing the same thing. Other than Anderson, most of the Sox better prospects will be in the minors, so it's going to be really ugly and uninteresting. But since I already have my deposit down, there are worse ways to spend a summer afternoon than watching baseball, even if it is bad.

Rizzo probably has a history of making fewer poor trades as any GM . The jump to conclusion he got hosed by a lot in the media and in the game concerns me. I hope he did get hosed, but he seemed very focused on cashing in on Giolito during these meeting. It doesn't mean he won't be burned. People were leery about dealing with Billy Beane and he traded Josh Donaldson for Brett Lawrie. I hope they are looking at packages for their other players that emphasize s postion players. Yeah, it's nice to have all these guys. But one or two or more may bust, or may get hurt. They have had a tough time forever developing hitters. Trade for some another team has done some developing.

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 12:55 AM) Really????? I haven't read the rest of this thread, but I came to the site just now because of how excited I am. I don't get it. I might even buy season tickets because of today and yesterday. I get a kick out of the people who say they will go to more games this year. Maybe there is a chance you will but overall people won't. If the teams the last 5 or 6 years were hard to watch, and last year's team was actually really good at home, the 2017 team is going to be hard to stomach. What is compelling about watching Derek Holland give up homers and if the don't leave the yard, watching Avi Garcia chase the down? Nothing. Maybe in a couple of years, but if you thought the baseball was too bad to watch before, it isn't going to be better this year. And I have season tickets. Even Cubs fans stayed away to a certain extent when they did what the Sox are doing.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) Himes? Larry Himes. Took over for Hawk. Sent Harold away. Traded all the starting pitchers.i think Fisk, Ozzie, and Ivan Calderon were the only guys he kept. He even traded Kenny Williams.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:07 PM) Guys... they've NEVER rebuilt like this. In fact, of Q is traded I won't be able to remember any team doing something like this before. Himes did. He traded everybody.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:05 PM) How the White Sox Won the Winter Meetings Whatever you think of the rebuild, if they didn't do it, it would have been the most boring Winter Meetings of all time.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) Might not get the "elite" guy back for Q. Hopefully can make up somehow. They have to get elite for him.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:54 PM) My point is that reed wss really bad in 48 games batting .164 overall and .064 vs lefties. With below average defense the bat must play or he will be worthless He was awful. Buying low might not be a bad idea.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:57 PM) If ATL could give up Albies, Maitan, Riley, and maybe one more, I'd hear them out. I read somewhere they aren't ga ga over Q.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:51 PM) OK, one thing we should know as Sox fans is that there is zero chance of them bidding on top line free agents when we are going to be coming off of two completely terrible season. We don't do that coming off of good seasons. I don't know why this has taken traction, but look at the White Sox free agent history, and tell me why there is any answer other than no. By the time they will be buying free agents, Obama will own the team and he likes to spend money according to many.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:38 PM) Reed batted .064 against lefties in 48 games. That is unbelievably bad and worth considering. Time to declare him a failed prospect? Of course not, but his value is down Kyle Schwarber has 8 career hits vs. lefties and he is highly regarded.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) right you know more than a local reporter that has almost 4K followers on Twitter. Honestly you are one of the worst posters I have ever come across in 10+ years of heavy sports message board reading. Yeah the hold up is how much of Q s comtract the Sox are eating. LMAO if you buy that.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) No clue who this person is but: https://twitter.com/ShutdownInning/status/806676420177051651 "Hearing Quintana to the Astros is "all but done." Working out a couple of kinks in the last hour. No word on pkg to CWS. #Astros #WhiteSox" He is also tweeting the White Sox are eating salary. He is full of s***.

Giolito"s grandfather was George Costanza's fiancé's father on Seinfeld.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:45 PM) I kind of agree, but it's also very early in the rebuild and the Sox have two premium chips in Quintana and Jones. A lot could still be coming. I think the whole thing with the Cubs strategy with hitters is young hitters are far more projectable . The top rated pitchers have a higher bust rate. At least that was in a Grantland article I read.

Rizzo seemed pretty hellbent on cashing in on Giolito this week. I guess when you are rebuilding you probably just go for best package and not focus too much on position, but one thing I agree with ss2k5 on, is I would prefer them acquiring high end position players. Worry about the pitchers later when you are ready.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) Gotta agree here...a lot of fans forget--the teams in win now mode who are serious in adding players like Q or Eaton as the final pieces of a TOP contending team are not likely to deal a MLB piece that is a LARGE part of what makes them a top contending team. Turner is the Nationals' Kris Bryant--MVP caliber talent who could lead them to a title. Why would they trade for a couple of upgrades if it meant losing their difference maker? It's the same reason why the Red Sox didn't add Betts into the deal last summer for Sale. Notice the current MLB difference makers they traded to get Sale...None. The Nats would rather go after Cutch or buy Fowler than trade away Trea Turner to get Eaton added into a Quintana deal. The thing about Turner is he is going to regress to the mean. He isn't a .342 hitter. He isn't a 25 home run guy. He's still valuable player, but ..

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 42s43 seconds ago Maryland, USA Source: White Sox working on a deal to send Adam Eaton to the Nationals. IT'S HAPPENING I would imagine Robles would have to be included. Considering the contract, I don't see how it can be for much less than the Sale offer. Man are the White Sox going to be bad for a couple of years. I really didn't think they would trade Eaton for prospects. Too good, and too friendly of a contract, with 5 years on it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) Soxtalk translation at the moment is any prospect that isn't Trea Turner, Benintendi, Swanson, Urias or Bregman are second tier. To be fair, the people doing this are only looking at the few teams rumored to be in on these players, so with a few exceptions it is pretty accurate.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) There's not a GM in baseball that would come close to considering Adam Eaton a "major award-caliber player." How many of those guys are around? He's averaged 4.2 fWAR the past 3 years, and it's been rising. He's signed for $38 million over the next 5 seasons. If other teams don't want to value that for what it's worth, the Sox can keep him and be fine with the best RF in town for $145 million less than Theo paid for his physical specimen who forgot how to hit homers 4 years ago, and forgot how to hit at all in 2016.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Not simple enough for DA. You knew this one was coming. The SS2k5 signature post. As one of the guys trying to make Sale a bad guy, maybe you should take his post to heart.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) You should read the thread again. The debate started because we were talking about Eaton's value now vs Heyward's value then. They were compared because much of their WAR value is in their defense. My position is that Heyward was far more valuable at the time because Heyward has better tools and athleticism. It's certainly not unheard of for a an athletically gifted baseball player to continue to develop at the age of 26. The Cubs were willing to take a risk because of his upside. Eaton does not possess that upside. If Heyward was worth $184 million, what is Eaton worth? As far as upside, Eaton has gone from a 3.1 WAR, to a 3.7 WAR to a 6.0 WAR his 3 years with the White Sox. He might not put up a 6 WAR again, but why wouldn't he be a consistent 4-5 WAR guy?

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:44 PM) To be fair to Taylor's bad argument, the question wasn't who is more valuable in a trade, because that is WITHOUT A DOUBT Adam Eaton and that's not up for debate. The question was simply who is the better player, to which I think it's Eaton based on numbers, and he thinks it's Heyward based on his height. Big guy, lots of tools, raw power. 25 years old. Taylor must love Avi Garcia.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) Jesus christ, what's with the strawmen? Did I ever say they didn't value defense? I said a team isn't going to give up the farm for a guy whose WAR has been drastically inflated due to RF defense. Maybe if he was a plus defender at CF, C, or SS. He was a 4.0 WAR player with below average defense in CF in 2015, and he's owed $38 million the next 5 years. He is a lot better than you think. If teams don't want to pony up, the White Sox aren't going to trade him.