Dick Allen

So if the White Sox traded Sale and Frazier and Melky and Abreu and Robertson and few others but kept Quintana, Eaton and Jones, they would be half assing a rebuild. That cracks me up. BTW, Hahn has said 100 times there are no untouchables. The longer term guys are available if the price is right.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) "I never settle" But he didn't admit guilt. Another huge win over that lightweight AG..

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:54 AM) Nope. I advocated trading Eaton last winter to fill 2 holes. That's still a possible approach. I've never favored the Hahn proven veteran approach, however. So if the choice is Hahn ball or tear down I would favor complete tear down, because Hahn ball is a failure. Bregman is my favorite of all of these top prospect already in the majors possible, although unlikely, targets. Actually, you said Eaton was overrated, that's why he had to go. Not as good as his numbers. You were correct. He was better.

In 104 AB vs. LHP, Reddick hit .155 with no extra base hits. He's happy the league is mostly right handed.

This pretty much confirms a White Sox rebuild. They have loved McCann and would have topped that return if they were going for it.

Hero worshipping.

We all know the Sox have little depth. It would be shocking if they lost a stud in the rule 5 draft. Too many worlds would have to collide.

I think if he gets traded the Dodgers have to be the favorite. They need him the most, although I could see Friedman go after Archer instead. If not LA, I am going with Houston. Houston is 100% analytics, and Sale's are great. They would pay up IMO.

Liriano made it through the NL and and 4 AL teams on waivers. I would imagine he would be protected, but not doing so probably doesn't get a team to pay money to claim him.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 10:04 AM) I actually think there's a chance that Smith, Liriano, and Garcia would be get claimed. Yes, but would you really care? The chances of these guys being impact players is beyond small. They won't get you anything in a trade, and are easy to replace with something similar, especially if they are rebuilding.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 09:05 AM) What you don't realize is you just made a convincing case that he was worse than I thought. You've now also given me reason to think that a slight dropoff in those other innings could leave him dropping from acceptable to terrible. It is amazing what lengths you will go to just to not admit your exaggerations are just wrong.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 08:50 AM) You do realize that when you pitch 60 innings, getting lit up 4 times is like a starter getting lit up every 2nd or 3rd start right? That's really not good? He pitched in 62 games and had 4 bad ones. What you just wrote makes zero sense. Try again. He pitched in over 61 innings., In 4 outings he gave up 17 runs in in 2 2/3 innings. He gave up 7 runs in the other 59 1/3. Not quite getting lit up as a starter every 2nd or 3rd start.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 09:16 PM) If we're rebuilding, I'd make sure to protect Engel, May, Guerrero, & Delmonico. I would do Engel, May, and Guerrero. Delmonico, if some team wants to keep him around all season, good for them. I don't think he is much of a game changer.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) The offense was terrible so every game was a one run game thus the high leverage guys were used more consistently. Couple with the fact the injuries, there was not much to work with out there other than Jones and Robertson. This is true too. If they threw the other guys out there in "high leverage" situations, that would have been a problem too. A thin bullpen and a lot of close games means guys will pitch on multiple days. As for the starters, I remember when Ozzie used to be praised for leaving starters in longer.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 07:58 AM) Thing is, Robertson had an era below 2 when pitching on 0 days rest, and an era below 1 when pitching on 1.....Things started getting bad when he had over 3 days rest. He gave up 13 runs in 12 innings of work when he pitched on 4 or more days of rest. He gave up just 3 runs in 23.2 innings pitched with no rest. 4 runs in 33.2 if you add in the 1 run he allowed in 11 innings with 1 day of rest. These numbers lead me to believe that he IS a workhorse closer. I suppose you could argue that it was these innings that lead to his problems when pitching on heavy rest. Yes. He got lit up 4 times in 2016. The rest of the time, despite his command issues, his ERA was a little bit over 1.00. When he has his command, he makes good hitters look like fans from the stands grabbing a bat. Maybe his glute problem or knee issue contributed to it, or maybe just getting away for a few months and rebooting will do the job, but he really hasn't lost much. He never did rely on heavy gas.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 06:37 AM) http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/11/16/136...s-handbook-2017 Interesting 2016 stats in this article... Among the most notable in my opinion: Robin Ventura led the league by using relievers on consecutive days 128 times, and nobody in the American League was close. He also led the league in slow hooks for the fourth consecutive year and long outings for a second. Alex Avila’s walks were the least valuable in the league, resulting in only .231 runs per walk. *Jose Abreu hit 556 foul balls, second to only Brandon Belt (580) and well above the totals from his first two years (480 and 460). I saw this. Robin used his starters too much and his relievers too much.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Is this Birenbaum guy credible? I've never heard of him before. These scenerios are just his proposals, not a real offer.

The other thing that hopefully is changed soon, is a team like the White Sox is penalized a lot more for signing a QO free agent than a team like the Yankees. Forget the bigger financial burden because of less revenue, mediocre teams give up more valuable draft picks than good teams.

It's Jonas who is with the Score in Toronto opinion. Not real news. http://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1156100-3...-for-chris-sale

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 12:35 PM) If they do what the Cubs way? Rebuild? $500 million over how many years? Lester $150 million Zobrist $56 million Heyward $184 million Lackey $32 million not to mention Edwin Jackson $52 million.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 12:31 PM) Ok, so utilizing your logic, does the White Sox operation typically involve rebuilding? Are we currently looking at rebuilding? They have traded for prospects before. Eaton and Quentin were really good. Molina, Castro, Davidson, Avi....kind of scary.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) I find it interesting that the Braves who won 68 games in 2016 are trying to acquire Sale and the White Sox who won 78 games in 2016 are trying to trade Sale. The White Sox are a ways away from fielding a team that is consistently good, but if they hit all the right buttons in an offseason, they could make the playoffs. That rarely happens.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) Explain to me why those doors are closed to us? This isn't an all-or-nothing thing here. If the White Sox aren't devoting the vast majority of their revenues to the mlb payroll, why can't they invest more in international free agency? If the White Sox have a low mlb payroll, why can they not sign good players to supplement their roster? It is not a requirement that you spend SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in order to make this work. That is pure bulls***. The f***ing Royals just won the World Series. The Royals have also had 8 top 8 draft picks since 2005, and 7 in the top 5. That's being really bad a long time.

QUOTE (brett05 @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) How does only him knowing the finalists mean he is not seeking help? The people helping him don't know who the finalists are, if he is the only one who knows. Why is he playing a game? The country isn't a reality TV show. He isn't telling his people who the finalists are. They even tell you who the finalists are on the Academy Awards, but Donny , the guy who claimed the election is rigged, then won with the second most votes, is keeping everyone is suspense again. The guy is a joke. I doubt he lasts his term.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 10:07 AM) Our problem isn't surplus value. We have tons of it now in Sale, Q, Eaton, and Jones. Our problem is actual production at multiple positions. This is what the primary goal of trade Chris Sale et, al is. Yes. The top 5 or 6 of the White Sox roster matches up pretty well with just about every team.