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Looks like mine went up 7% but since I used all of my tickets I get a 5% discount, so it comes out a little less than 2% on the increase. Considering a pre season party at the Chi Sox Bar and Geill with free food and drink, a season ticket holder party, and 2 free games with patio party included and what I pay, it still is probably less than the Schqumburg Boomers. They hate the fans.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) I know it's Vox, but the numbers are correct. Military and Political Experience of all the Presidents...Trump has Zero. Experience is imperative to manage MLB teams, but to run the country....not really, besides Trump can teach any General a thing or two about ISIS, believe me.

In news Greg will enjoy, the professor who is always correct about elections and called a Trump victory when every thought it would never happen, is now predicting Trump will be impeached.

God bless Harry Reid: White nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump’s victory, while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear – especially African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans and Asian Americans. Watching white nationalists celebrate while innocent Americans cry tears of fear does not feel like America.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) If we are going to play that sort of a game as a country, the other side needs to shut up and accept the mandate of the election, right? See how unproductive that is? I don't know if you really have a mandate if one wins the electoral college and one wins the popular vote.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 09:25 AM) Some of them for sure, but that's not everyone. A lot of people from Wisconsin and Michigan voted for Trump because they live in towns where industry is gone. Trump told them that he would bring that industry back and that he was not part of the establishment. You can tell by the people he is bringing in that will not be the case. Of course, but that really should have been obvious as all of these people were working on getting him elected. That Trump is full of s***, I don't think surprises anyone. He has been full of it his whole life. There was a 60 minutes piece on his golf course in Scotland, all the jobs...all the new construction...it didn't quite work out like that. Same thing happened many years ago in Gary Indiana. The US could fall apart the first week of his Presidency and he will still say he was successful because he was elected. He is warped. If there is any good news about it, it's that many republicans feel the same way about him democrats do, so hopefully they can prevent catastrophe.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:38 AM) One thing I picked up from the 16 in 16 series from PBS is that this is hardly new. Gary Hart held extensive conversations with the Soviet Union during this campaign for President in 1984, and had plans to use those negotiations down the road. Yes, but when US intelligence traces the hacks to one of the party's emails, it should raise some eyebrows.

Why is the KKK so happy Trump won?

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) He drained the swamp and filled it with toxic waste. He betrayed the people that voted for him as an "outsider" and someone who cares about them in 48 hours. I hope they see that. As long as they think not voting for Trump would have had their guns taken away, I don't think they care.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:29 AM) I haven't heard much either. I had heard hes missing most of next season as well. Maybe the Trib is just clueless? He has a herniated disc that apparently doesn't require surgery. Kershaw had one and he seems OK. Whether it's an issue or not moving forward, who knows, but he should be in the mix in 2017.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:12 AM) I'll ask you for a third time now, but how do you expect us to get better without trading our good players? Where are all these prospects coming from? You're not going to get much for Frazier, Robertson, Melky, & Lawrie. I'd love to hear your ideal plan, because honestly it sounds like you want more half-assing. Trade the garbage for C & D prospects and add them to a bottom five farm system. That isn't going to get us where we need to be. How do you really expect to get better when you trade ALL OF YOUR GOOD PLAYERS AWAY? You have to keep a couple around unless you are blown away. You do realize Eaton was "worth" more in 2016 than he will be paid the next 5 seasons don't you? He has 5 years of control. Unproven guys you acquire only have 6. They can trade one of Sale or Q. Maybe trade Frazier, Melky and Robertson unless you are planning on not half assing in 2017. While links to Keith Law ranking the Sox farm system so highly would be common if you traded everyone away, chances are they all aren't going to work out. Why do you trade a 6.0 WAR player, 11th in all of baseball, who is signed for 5 more years at a total of $38 million, and actually say it isn't important you get surplus value for him? I'm interested in the White Sox winning, not where there farm system is ranked. Top 100 prospects bust all the time. Eaton is far more valuable than you make him. And his control status is the same as someone who just completed their rookie season. So I guess you are all for trading Anderson and Rodon, anybody a team would give you a decent prospect to get?

We all mention Sale and Q and their contracts, and rightfully so, but Eaton may be the best bargain of the 3. Only 10 players in baseball had a higher WAR than him in 2016. He is signed for 5 more seasons for a total of $38 million. Rookies who go through arb yearly may wind up making more than that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 06:22 AM) My point is if the next three seasons are a lost cause, then 60% of his surplus value is worthless to us. So let's say his hypothetical surplus value is nearly $200M ($40M/year), his effective value to us may only be $80M. Obviously you don't just give him away, but if a team offers a package of prospects that project to provide $120M to $150M in surplus value, then we should probably take it. Yes, we lose out on some theoretical value, but from a marginal standpoint we come out ahead when considering competive factors. Your theory is wrong. You want to hedge your bets by taking on more risk. That's not how it works. I'll take Eaton and his contract and his 6.0 WAR seasons and keep him around for when we are ready to go unless someone is willing to pay dearly for him, and makes an offer I can't refuse. Even when they get all these prospects, they are still going to need other players. Ben Zobrist cost Theo $16 million more for one year less and he's getting up there in age. Heyward cost $184 million. Lester cost $150 million. Lackey cost $32 million. If the Sox blow it up, 3 years from now, even if the prospects acquired work out really well, they won't be able to dish out those contracts. Trading Eaton now makes no sense unless you are totally blown away.

It really boggles my mind this is getting hardly a mention https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow...218e_story.html

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) I don't expect each trade to go perfectly, which is why making more trades hedges you risk. Let's say hypothetically Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones can all land four prospects. Let's assume on average 50% of prospects acquired via trade bust. Trade all four guys and you have a decent chance of ending up with 8 productive players across the deals. But only trade one guy and you could realistically end up with anything from four hits to four misses. The more trades we make, the less randomness comes into play. So again, who would you trade is this rebuild was up to you? IMO, you pretty much have to move three of Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones. Those are our big four trade chips and the only ones who will land elite prospects. If you don't move enough of them, then all we're doing is a half-ass rebuild and I'm not sure we get better in the long-run. As for Eaton specifically, I'm not sure you'll get fair value for him. And quite frankly, I'm not sure you need it. Even if the rebuild goes well, you're talking about 2 or 3 seasons before we are competitive. So if we hold onto Eaton, we're throwing away two or three years of his surplus value. There is a point in negotiations where maybe you don't quite get fair value, but that you get enough in return that you still feel it's the better move long-term. And let's not ignore the fact that Eaton is at peak value right now, so there is a bit more incentive in moving him now. Adam Eaton was a 6.0 WAR player. He is signed for the next 5 seasons for a total of $38 million. What is this losing surplus value? His highest salary the next 5 years is in year 5 when he is due $10.5 million. If you aren't getting surplus value and you trade him, you should be fired immediately. It would be a trade just to make a trade. People love prospects until they bust. Eaton and Davidson were ranked almost the same as prospects when they were acquired. One is a 6.0 WAR player, one won't be a 6.0 WAR player cumulatively for his career. You hold on to Eaton unless you are blown away with a can't miss package. 2 or 3 years from now he still will be signed for multiple seasons, at a huge bargain.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) I'm not sure I understand your point here. Who are you suggesting stick around? It's guys like Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones who will actually bring back value. If you're going to rebuild, you should definitely move them or what is the point? And there's really no reason to hold onto the guys with one or two years left like Robertson, Frazier, or Melky. And acquiring a larger sample of prospects definitely mitigates your overall bust risk. My point is trading everyone who is good is foolish. The last total rebuild the Sox did was when Larry Himes was the GM. Carlton Fisk stayed. Ozzie Guillen stayed., and then they had the new park to add payroll. Trading Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Jones, all of them may wind up being pretty foolish. It is fine if you expect each trade to go perfectly, but that is pretty unlikely. Eaton has 5 years left. Do you really think you will get something that turns out better?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) Potential stop-gappy type of players who could take a 1-year deal to try to bounce back: Colby Rasmus (OF) Carlos Gomez (OF) Pedro Alvarez (DH) Kendrys Morales (DH) Ryan Hanigan (backup C or just bring him in on a minor league deal; could possibly be a mentor to young catchers in camp) Just skimming the list of free-agents, I wanted to include some older players (Holliday, Beltran, Utley) but figured they would look to try to win one more time. Also didn't want to waste time listing pitchers as there seem to be many as options. Yeah, the older guys are probably looking to win, and the guys you mentioned are looking to be regulars and hopefully make themselves another contract.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) I think reality is we would see better players but they would be young (benintendi) and unreliable. Will still be really bad early on. Many of the rumored position players are likely starters on our team. It's one thing if you have a top prospect or 2 sprinkled in. But that line up is beyond putrid. It's one thing to be bad. It's another thing to be lucky to win 40 games bad.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) If you are rebuilding, no real good reason to keep him. Trade him for a lottery ticket and figure out if Sanchez is ever going to be an everyday player. Theres also a decent chance that they get a quality SS back in one of their rebuilding deals, and that could displace Anderson. If the team is rebuilding I have no problem running out: SS Anderson 3B Saladino DH Garcia RF Liriano 1B Davidson 2B Sanchez LF Coats C Navarez CF Tilson The team won't win a ton, but you can figure which guys are going to be long term pieces and which are never going to amount to anything. I am sure at least 3 of those guys will be displaced by players coming back in trades and they probably won't trade all of their vets. If you are going to be bad, be really bad and get some extra bonus money in the draft. That would be one of the worst teams in the history of the league. You and whoever they were playing and their fans would be the only ones who didn't have a problem with that line up. I understand the concept of rebuilding. I understand why some really want it, and some thing a step or two back makes sense, but it's clear you don't spend much money if any on White Sox baseball if you are OK with that line up. Many still do. I don't spend a lot, but many still do. They won't if they got it up the ass like that.

There is one gigantic flaw in trading everybody for prospects. Prospects bust, so even if you do well, you still are going to have to fill in holes with competent players. Unlike the Cubs, they can't spend $400 million filling in those areas. A couple of these guys are going to have to stick around.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) We're going to bring back jobs. We're going to have so many jobs. We're going to have the best jobs. Pretty much the same thing he promised Gary, IN when they gave him the riverboat there.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) Understood, but see the quote about the two officials I posted in response to Steve. They also gave him a report about Russian hacks that he quickly dismissed. People quitting their job because of their boss is not something new.

Well, this isn't good. No one wants to work National Security for Trump. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tru...z&ocid=iehp

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) More than Illinois is, at least. The Illini need to bring back Jimmy Collins and his fleet of Blazers.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) I just watched the post-meeting comments from Trump and Obama. Trump seemed slightly overwhelmed and seemed to come away with a want to have Obama's "counsel". He's in over his head, perhaps by having his ass kissed with an olive branch from the respected leader of the free world he'll turn to him for guidance through his presidency. I can only hope. Considering he called Obama the worst President ever, I tend to doubt he really wants his help. I really feel sorry for Barry for having to play nice at this meeting. I can only hope in 4 years Trump has to give the lay of the land to Elizabeth Warren. That would be a classic. I think the meeting did last for 10 or 15 minutes. The rest of the time was coming up with what they were going to say.