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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) I don't know. I think it's overblown. Moncada was in AA and got a september callup for a handful of at bats. You like Moncada because he has developed his power, but almost everything else Robles already has at a premium defensive position. Both have good plate discipline and walk rates. Robles OTOH doesn't strike out. Robles was a 19 year old in A+, Moncada was a 21 year old in AA. I'm fine with either. Depends on what surrounds them. If we can continue to find dynamite athletic players like Anderson and Robles with the rest of the rebuild we could end up with a Royals like team. Robles has a below average walk rate. Still very young, I,admit, and could or should go up.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:05 AM) Yes, because that made up metric WAR means everything and is the be all, end all to all baseball conversations and who will/won't win. To emphasize this, I saw a graphic on MLBN yesterday. Th last 2 seasons Mets are under .500 without Cespedes in the line up, and about 40 over with him in the line up. One player can cause a lot of change.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:51 AM) So who wants to guess what is going on here? Do we think a package based on Giolito and Robles is an acceptable framework for the Sox? And that we are just haggling, as Rosenthal said, over the remaining pieces? I'm going to guess we still are asking for Turner in any deal. I know some folks think that is ridiculous, and I am not saying I don't agree, but my guess is this deal would be pretty close to done by now if we were ok with Giolito and Robles as the headliners. My guess is Hahn and Co are still asking for Turner, Giolito and Robles, while Washington is willing to agree to the latter two. Then, if Boston jumps in with an offer of either Benintendi or Moncada, but not the other pieces we desire, we can go back to Washington asking for Turner. That's just my feeling for how the Sox are hoping this will go. I hope so. These 2 are ranked pretty high but there are so questions. Rizzo doesn't make bad trades. Maybe he is due. But if he has a top 5 prospect in baseball and a starting pitcher, why would he use that and another top 10 guy to get a starter when he has other needs? Giolitto was like James Shields in his time with the Nats last season. I know it isn't necessarily a sign to come. He is young and you can't expect a 21 year old to dominate from the start. But if a guy like Benetendi struggled with the bat when he was called up as much as he struggled on the mound, there is a decent chance a package centered around Benetendi would not be desired here. Robles has tools no question. But....he has nice numbers, however .065 of his OBP and OPS are getting HBP. He has more HBP in his career than walks. That makes one question a few things. Is he a guy that is going to get hit 30-40 times a season? If he is, you run the risk of him missing a lot of development time and post development time. If he is not, is he capable of improving his OBP with fewer HBP? This is Chris Sale, I don't think it is unreasonable to demand a surer thing. Prospect rankings be damned.

I hate this deal, but I hope they do well.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 06:38 PM) I know it's all smoke screens until something actually happens, but if all these teams aren't willing to give up what it's going to take for Sale, why not just pivot and spend some money for f***ing once? You're really telling me this team couldn't compete if they signed EE and Castillo and traded for a CF? I just hope Hahn is smart enough to not get caught up s***s creek without a paddle again thinking the market will come to him. No way the Sox would sign EE. The comp system is still the one from last year. They aren't giving up pick 12. They are definitely rebuilding. Just because they haven't cleared everyone out by Monday of the Winter Meetings doesn't mean things aren't going to start heating up. How many other teams have their roster set right now for 2017?

QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) Mark and others, If the Sox don't get an "anchor player" for Sale what could they get in return for Quintana? Any chance the Sox start throwing his name out there to see what he would get in return? Supposedly the offers for Quintana aren't near the offers for Sale. The moron Morosi actually said if the Sox traded Q or Eaton they wouldn't be blockbuster trades. If that is true, there is no reason to trade them.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) A lot of good his fWAR has done us, too! I'm saying if you're going off of their development trajectories since draft day, I suspect the order might switch. And if the Sox would have selected Schwarber or Turner, a lot of good they would have done the team too.

I would like Rosenthal to say a deal is close. It might make some other teams flinch.. No reason to offer your top guy if no one else is. But once that seal is broken, who knows what happens.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) And by the time Carlos comes into his own he'll be due $200 million. Typical White Sox fan response. He has 5 years of control, and was starting to come into his own last season. But ignore it. He was a horrible draft pick. Schwarbs was so much better. Even though he didn't play in 2016. If you seriously have a problem with the White Sox drafting Carlos Rodon, you will probably be disappointed almost every draft. I doubt any team has actually drafted the guy that turned into the best player on the board when they drafted every pick. Rodon is solid. If he is capable of a $200 million contract you apparently like his talent.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) That's not my point. If the draft were held today again, I'd still take my chances with Rodon, and I think most baseball experts would as well. My point is that today, Sale is still obviously so much better than Rodon, which therefore makes it surprising that Turner would be considered untouchable in a trade for Sale. The kid hit .342 with power and speed in 100 games. Of course his value is inflated now. If he sustains those numbers he should have gone #1. I wouldn't bet on that, although I still think he will be a great player. Rodon looks like he will be a top of the rotation guy. A solid pick at #3.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) The book is still out on Carlos. As of right now, both Turner and Schwarbs are the better picks. LMAO. The book is still out on everyone. Schwarber has 8 career hits vs. LHP and appears to be a DH.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:43 PM) Wonder if we misdrafted in 2014 when we selected Carlos Rodon over the now seemingly untouchable Trea Turner, who we are told cannot be included in a trade for perennial Cy Young finalist Chris Sale. Last I looked, Sale >>>> Rodon, at least at this point in time. I would think Sox fans would be happy with Rodon. He is pretty good.

According to Rosenthal, the Dodgers are only expecting 120 innings a season from Hill. I guess that is being realistic. He has made 20 starts once in his career. 2007. A very unique career. Congrats to him for sticking with it and getting paid.

Turner is great, but chances are he isn't going to have a .388 BABIP ever agsin, and his homer rate should probably drop as well. He still is top of the line, but moveable if you look at it realistically. If he hits .340 with 25 homers and 40 steals, you can't trade him. But .300 with 15 homers and 35 steals? It is the price you pay for the current version of Sale.

Interesting. The Red Sox were out before. Now back in. Once one team caves, expect others to follow. Sale is one of the better established trade pieces of all time if you think about it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Here's that article. I'm not outraged by Lawrie getting 1 more year. I get the point, it bugs me a little - if things with him are bad enough that they even started talking about cutting him there's a reason why and that reason probably isn't just baseball, but he is fairly cheap depth and this deal is movable. What will frustrate me is if Lawrie is playing 2b in April and Saladino is on the bench because you've got to play the vets to win. If he's healthy enough to be playing baseball at that time, he needs to be in the lineup just to see if we can turn him into a starter somewhere. He's exactly the kind of guy we need to be playing - some talent, not sure if he can harness it long term or not. Having a few guys like that succeed is a huge step towards rapidly solving the problem of this organization being so barren in talent. You a have mentioned many times Lawrie ' s tendency to miss a lot of games. Salado who actually is the older player has this same issue does he not? They are trading Frazier, so there will be openings for both.

I would go Moncada, Benetendi, Bregman, Turner , Uriah, Swanson

These rival evaluators said the same thing in 2010, and passed on drafting him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 08:14 AM) Exactly, we don't have another choice here. At some point we have to figure out how to develop positional talent. Sure, but the more Someome looks at it, the more they could come to the conclusion Robles ranking as a prospect may be a bit high.

I would be leery of Robles. I get that he is 19 and held his own in high A (but shouldn't a top 10 prospect do that), but he hasn't hit with any power, doesn't walk much, and has an OBP inflated by getting HBP 34 times. He is going to require some development, something the White Sox haven't shown they are particularly good at the past several years.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 12:00 AM) I think Sale either gets shipped for Bregman +, or a pretty damn good package of prospects from AA or under from some team. Olmec just tweeted there is no chance Houston trades Bregman.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 11:18 PM) Ken Rosenthal tonight tweeted that the Astros and Rangers are now out of the mix for Sale. If true, it appears the market for him is drying up, not expanding as many said it would if the Sox waited until the off-season. Mark It has expanded. Washington and Atlanta supposedlupy have the best 2 offers. Those weren't reported in July. So there probably was so,e truth in the report Boston's prospects offer didn't include Moncada or Benitendi.

SOURCE: The soon to be Obama owned White Sox are down to one team for Chris Sale's services.

Beltran is a half assed move. They should have ponied up for EE.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 07:31 PM) Donaldson put up a .884 OPS in his second full season which was in Oakland to boot. Turner put up an .897 OPS in his full season with the Dodgers and was still below a 1,000 plate appearances entering that season. Both of these guys provide defensive utility. Encarnacion, a better positional comp, put up a .831 OPS in his second season. Honestly, none of these are good comparisons to Avi's situation. Avi most likely sucks, but when those guys were Avi's age, their MLB stats were far worse. It would take a miracle for him to get to their level with the bat. But the Sox are due for something working out.