Dick Allen

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) Which ex-teammates and what did they say? Sources? What were the Red Sox standards when they vetted him thoroughly? He's a top 5 pitcher in all of baseball, they aren't gonna demand him to a be a quiet little boy scout. Just because they traded for him, doesn't mean he had no skeletons in the closet from the Cell, they just weren't enough to not take a risk to win the World Series. The article I read said they questioned many ex teammates about him, and the response was all positive.

Supposedly the Red Sox vetted Sale pretty thoroughly. Much to the apparent dismay of many here, his ex-teammates don't consider him a monster. Merkin was defending him on Twitter from someone who said Sale was an idiot. Besides if Sale is so awful due for a meltdown, what is Kopech?

Maybe things will go nuts this afternoon and evening, but for an event that was hyped up as going to be crazy, there hasn't been many trades. Without the Sale trade, this Winter Meetings has been a snooze fest.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Fister on a one year, $5 million deal is zero risk to the White Sox really He pitched 180 innings and we are going to need those to be eaten somehow Let our young players develop in the minors and absolutely tank at the mlb level to land a top draft pick With the right deconstruction we can land a top 5 pick the next two seasons in a row and be improved dramatically by 2019 / 2020 There seems to be more and more teams either tanking or seriously considering it, not just in baseball, but football and basketball as well. While it may be wise, it is going to take it's toll IMO on the leagues. A lot of uninteresting games.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:40 AM) Aren't you the one who is fond of saying that it isn't your money? Yes, but the point is, it is just pissing it away. If they want to piss it away, it's their money. But the only good coming from the White Sox signing Derek Holland would be from Mr. Holland's bank account. He wouldn't be successful, and wouldn't be able to eat innings. If it were the Twins or Royals, they should be all over this guy. Not the White Sox. Look for a better fit.

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) I don't see how a 1 year, $3m (Latos-esque) contract can hurt us. This pretty much implies that Quintana is close to being dealt. No, but the reality is it's just pissing it away. Again, I don't have a list of guys, but there should be others who maybe strike people out or throw groundballs when everything is right. Those are the types to take chances on. Not some guy whose style doesn't fit the ballpark when he is 100%, which he probably will not be or Texas doesn't let him go.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:13 AM) None of this even matters to a rebuilding team with one and possibly two holes open in the rotation. Holland serves as a filler until a younger pitcher is ready or, the off chance Holland pitches well enough to be traded. Worst case scenario is he s***s the bed and the Sox release him. No harm no foul. I understand that. I am not against signing these types of projects. But, there has to be some way you can hope for success. Derek Holland, when healthy, isn't the kind of guy who profiles very well at the Rate. I would rather the Sox spend resources on guys, who if everything goes right keep the ball in the park, throw groundballs, strike people out...Those are guys other teams may give up prospects to acquire.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) Interesting, still weird not to mention Q though? Not as weird as if he mentioned him and traded him 10 minutes later.

I get signing rehab projects and hoping to get something, but this is a guy who first of all is always hurt. OK, you get fortunate and he's healthy. Secondly, gives up a lot of home runs. Not good where the Sox play. Third, throws very few groundballs. Again, not good on the southside of Chicago. He's the kind of guy who is behind the eight ball if things go his way. There has to be someone out there to if it all goes right, has a decent chance of success. Holland just needs too many miracles to get something of value for him.

If you are acquiring prospects, I see no less riskier acquisition than the one ranked #1 in the league.

QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) $70 million for Desmond? Rockies are on something good. Not only that, they surrender pick #11. The White Sox move up. Yes.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale The #Rockies make their move and sign Ian Desmond, per @Ken_Rosenthal 10:19am · 7 Dec 2016 · Twitter for iPhone I wonder how much they paid him. Being in Denver will help make it look no so bad in all likelihood, but he was trending down until a big first half last season. The second half, he put up a .630 OPS, in Texas. That is pretty awful.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) whitesoxdave ‏@barstoolWSD Multiple sources confirm: Quintana left early for a wedding. Carry on with your day Even if he was traded, I don't think it would have been grounds to abandon ship.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:03 AM) A's guy, Bill King. I wish I could cuss.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) What if he has a surprisingly good year and we can flip him for something at the deadline though? They have to start anticipating that kind of thing as well with a rebuild. I think Avi Garcia has a better shot at a GG than Derek Holland has of becoming good enough some team will flip a decent prospect at RH for his services.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:12 AM) TR Sullivan ‏@Sullivan_Ranger 3m3 minutes ago Derek Holland's suitors are still the Pirates and the White Sox Please pass on this one Mr. Hahn. It's going to be ugly enough at Guaranteed Rate Field next summer. Don't make me watch Derek Holland pitch.

Kopech's stock has really risen. Heyman had a tweet that one team put Moncada's worth at $100 million, and put Kopech's at $100 million

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:44 PM) Not that it merits much but mlbtr mentions that we could be interested in Carson Kelly from the Cards in a Eaton trade Unless he is a total throw in, that would be tragic. Someone posted yesterday about Robles and how he could really be a star and a nice piece for Sale. Said he could hit .280 with 10-15 homers , good speed, good defense, good arm. That is Adam Eaton and he is signed for $38 million over the next 5 years. And he isn't a could be or should be. He is worth a lot more than he is owed. It has to be a massive return.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) And I find it rather disgusting that you can't avoid making it personal the moment someone disagrees with you and takes a different opinion of available information. I made a point about baseball. You could disagree with it without going after me personally. No you read a quote and interpreted it to mean the Sox wanted Eaton gone because he is such a huge problem, always has been going back to an anonymous quote from AZ. And that just had to be true because who knows. You mention his bad attitude so many times, yet anyone who watches games and follows the team would love to have 25 guys with attitudes as bad as his. It is your mission to put a negative spin on everything White Sox, a team you admitted to hating on this very board.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) I'm going to guess he goes with #11. No chance. It's retired.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:55 PM) And yet, there was talk of the White Sox moving him even before they moved Sale. That tells me something. Not really. It is amazing for a guy who thinks he is so much smarter than anyone, how you comprehend talk about the White Sox moving him. Read it again and all it said was in someone's opinion there was a better chance they traded Eaton than Abreu. There has been nothing about the White Wox looking to trade him. All their players are available including Q and Rodon. Bad attitudes all around I guess. Run with it. For some reason they thought he was such a problem they kept him around for 3 years and have him signed for 5 more.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) As you said yourself, the chances Collins pans out are very slim. Maybe 1/10 as a catcher. It would behoove them to find someone in one of these trades that is much closer to MLB level or already at MLB level. Won't be cheap, for all the reasons you listed, but if they are rebuilding getting a solid catcher should be a high priority. I never said that. No one is going to trade you the next Buster Posey. I read a Fangraphs guy say Collins horrid AFL defensively can be blamed a lot on playing games since February. He has a long way to go, but has made strides in recent years, and is willing to work hard at it. John Orton works with Sox minor league catchers and made Flowers a decent defensive catcher when he basically had the same reputation as Collins both defensively and offensively. Flowers was going to move away from catching and be a big power OBP guy. IMO, he never was great defensively, but he usually called a good game and became a great framer. If Collins gets anywhere near there, he can catch a couple times a week at least.

I think long term you try to develop Collins. Flowers came a long way defensively in the Sox system. Until they are trying to compete, I don't think it is imperative they find a long term guy. When they are ready to win, it should mean they can carry an offensively challenged guy back there, so you find a veteran pitch framer who calls a good game. Catchers are hard to find, hard to develop, have a bust rate, but some come out of nowhere. I would hate the Sox not get big time value somewhere else and get smoked takimg on a mediocre catcher.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) I thought the hangup was the Nationals making a late push? Yeah just saw that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) Chapman and Jansen need to clear the market first. Even if he's not a closer, teams are going to grab the dominant bullpen guys first. Possibly Wade Davis as well. I think there might be an issue with Wade"s medicals. His trade to the Cubs has been held up. Don"t like injuries but that can help the White Sox in more ways than one.Guess it's not the medicals but the Nationals.