Dick Allen

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale The #Rockies make their move and sign Ian Desmond, per @Ken_Rosenthal 10:19am · 7 Dec 2016 · Twitter for iPhone I wonder how much they paid him. Being in Denver will help make it look no so bad in all likelihood, but he was trending down until a big first half last season. The second half, he put up a .630 OPS, in Texas. That is pretty awful.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) whitesoxdave ‏@barstoolWSD Multiple sources confirm: Quintana left early for a wedding. Carry on with your day Even if he was traded, I don't think it would have been grounds to abandon ship.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:03 AM) A's guy, Bill King. I wish I could cuss.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) What if he has a surprisingly good year and we can flip him for something at the deadline though? They have to start anticipating that kind of thing as well with a rebuild. I think Avi Garcia has a better shot at a GG than Derek Holland has of becoming good enough some team will flip a decent prospect at RH for his services.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:12 AM) TR Sullivan ‏@Sullivan_Ranger 3m3 minutes ago Derek Holland's suitors are still the Pirates and the White Sox Please pass on this one Mr. Hahn. It's going to be ugly enough at Guaranteed Rate Field next summer. Don't make me watch Derek Holland pitch.

Kopech's stock has really risen. Heyman had a tweet that one team put Moncada's worth at $100 million, and put Kopech's at $100 million

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:44 PM) Not that it merits much but mlbtr mentions that we could be interested in Carson Kelly from the Cards in a Eaton trade Unless he is a total throw in, that would be tragic. Someone posted yesterday about Robles and how he could really be a star and a nice piece for Sale. Said he could hit .280 with 10-15 homers , good speed, good defense, good arm. That is Adam Eaton and he is signed for $38 million over the next 5 years. And he isn't a could be or should be. He is worth a lot more than he is owed. It has to be a massive return.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) And I find it rather disgusting that you can't avoid making it personal the moment someone disagrees with you and takes a different opinion of available information. I made a point about baseball. You could disagree with it without going after me personally. No you read a quote and interpreted it to mean the Sox wanted Eaton gone because he is such a huge problem, always has been going back to an anonymous quote from AZ. And that just had to be true because who knows. You mention his bad attitude so many times, yet anyone who watches games and follows the team would love to have 25 guys with attitudes as bad as his. It is your mission to put a negative spin on everything White Sox, a team you admitted to hating on this very board.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) I'm going to guess he goes with #11. No chance. It's retired.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:55 PM) And yet, there was talk of the White Sox moving him even before they moved Sale. That tells me something. Not really. It is amazing for a guy who thinks he is so much smarter than anyone, how you comprehend talk about the White Sox moving him. Read it again and all it said was in someone's opinion there was a better chance they traded Eaton than Abreu. There has been nothing about the White Wox looking to trade him. All their players are available including Q and Rodon. Bad attitudes all around I guess. Run with it. For some reason they thought he was such a problem they kept him around for 3 years and have him signed for 5 more.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) As you said yourself, the chances Collins pans out are very slim. Maybe 1/10 as a catcher. It would behoove them to find someone in one of these trades that is much closer to MLB level or already at MLB level. Won't be cheap, for all the reasons you listed, but if they are rebuilding getting a solid catcher should be a high priority. I never said that. No one is going to trade you the next Buster Posey. I read a Fangraphs guy say Collins horrid AFL defensively can be blamed a lot on playing games since February. He has a long way to go, but has made strides in recent years, and is willing to work hard at it. John Orton works with Sox minor league catchers and made Flowers a decent defensive catcher when he basically had the same reputation as Collins both defensively and offensively. Flowers was going to move away from catching and be a big power OBP guy. IMO, he never was great defensively, but he usually called a good game and became a great framer. If Collins gets anywhere near there, he can catch a couple times a week at least.

I think long term you try to develop Collins. Flowers came a long way defensively in the Sox system. Until they are trying to compete, I don't think it is imperative they find a long term guy. When they are ready to win, it should mean they can carry an offensively challenged guy back there, so you find a veteran pitch framer who calls a good game. Catchers are hard to find, hard to develop, have a bust rate, but some come out of nowhere. I would hate the Sox not get big time value somewhere else and get smoked takimg on a mediocre catcher.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) I thought the hangup was the Nationals making a late push? Yeah just saw that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) Chapman and Jansen need to clear the market first. Even if he's not a closer, teams are going to grab the dominant bullpen guys first. Possibly Wade Davis as well. I think there might be an issue with Wade"s medicals. His trade to the Cubs has been held up. Don"t like injuries but that can help the White Sox in more ways than one.Guess it's not the medicals but the Nationals.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:18 PM) The other thing that needs to be brought up in every Eaton thread is that he's a guy we heard the word "attitude" used about even before we traded for him, and he just might not be that good of a guy to have around on a team that is clearly looking 3 years down the road and just traded a guy he's probably friends with. Marking, the Sox beat guy who the clubhouse, not on the internet reaching for anything negative to say about anything White Sox, says he is great in the. Clubhouse. It's on a CSN podcast on their site if to listen to it. And here is the story about his "bad attitude" you constantly refer to with Arizona.. maybe you need to retire it. http://archive.azcentral.com/sports/diamon...adam-eaton.html

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:00 PM) If they win the world series that will be an entirely fair statement that would take Moncada turning into Trout to match. BS. If Sale helps them win the WS, it was clearly worth it for them, but it would not mean the White Sox lost at all even if Moncada doesn't turn into Trout, which is likely.

Kudos to KW and RH for ignoring the artificial trade deadline of the first day of the Winter Meetings. Congrats on acquiring the most exciting player probably since Frank Thomas. And congrats on getting some sweet revenge and using Mike Rizzo like their b****, waiting for DD to conclude he has never met a prospect he wouldn't trade,

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:13 PM) The thing that irritates me about trading him was the epic failure of the organization to build around two front of the rotation guys. It sucks but it's over. Moncada time. Go to Fangraphs. Go to MLB.com. Check out Keith Law. They all rave about him. Robinson Cano with more speed. A perennial 5 WAR guy. An MVP type talent. Boston paid $63 million to trade him to the White Sox. As long as he stays healthy he is going to be a beast. I hate losing Sale as much as anyone. But this guy is an offensive player the Sox haven't had in a while. If Anderson continues to improve, the keystone combo will be one of the leagues best, if not the best in a couple of years.

Awesome pitcher wish him well. Have read several what an as hole h is posts, and there is no doubt cutting up jerseys is one of most ridiculous things ever, but he could be a cool dude. My nephew was on the field for BP one day and he signed a couple of things for him and took a picture, talked to him for a bit. My nephew is still buzzed over that.,

He contradicts himself unless Abreu is supposed to go to Charlotte. Keep Moncada in the minors but have him develop a bond with Abreu.

Wow. The top prospect in baseball plus. Awesome. Hate to see Sale go. Hope he makes the HOF. But Moncada is the guy who I said they could not get and they got.

According to Stark, Nats told teams if they completed a Sale trade, Gio would become available. Apparently Gio is available. Maybe they want some physicals.

QUOTE (Username @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) It looks like he deleted the other trade info too? Unless I'm an idiot and just can't find the post. Would seem to indicate the Sale thing might not be BS. Good point. He definitely took it down.

He deleted it so I am guessing he found out it was BS.

Looks like EE"s agent overplayed his hand.