Dick Allen

Coop will fix him.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:57 PM) Could shark have netted Fulmer from Toronto? Wasn't Fulmer from the Mets for Cespedes? And no way.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) I'm no fan of Robin as a manager, but how can anyone blame him for Shields? Because.

Avi doesn't even bother with his hands low anymore,

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) Should've traded Shark last year in June I will take the kid who throws 103

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:40 PM) No way anyone can convince me this team is trying hard tonight What?

QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) He could not bat Anderson leadoff. That would be a start. That would make a huge difference.

Clearly Robin was a fool for starting Avila Shields' first start.he is very familiar with Navarro, and tonight's results prove it.

Somewhere John Danks, Eric Johnson, and Mat Latos are laughing.

Shields may suck, but this is hard to believe.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) Man I don't even know haha but if I had to take a stab: Eaton CF Anderson SS (because f*** it) Abreu 1B Frazier 3B Cabrera LF Lawrie 2B Navarro C Garcia DH (if you're going to put him in, DH him) Shuck RF (I'm assuming we're facing a righty. Other wise Coats) Glad I'm the one who isn't in charge of writing the lineup. Coats is in there. They are facing a lefty. I don't see how he can be criticized for trying something a little different.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 06:36 PM) Same "thought process" that left him no other choice but to leave in Carroll against the Rangers -- just pray and wing it! What should the line up be tonight?

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 06:16 PM) You forgot Hahn. Supposedly this is his roster. If it is KW's then I agree w you. I assume you are happy w the offense??? I would include Steverson and Buddy Bell if they can find him. In fact throw in Herb Schneider. He has contributed to the downfall by keeping lousy players healthy. The Herm Schneider made me laugh. I am going to use it.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) True fact! But how bad are we? Individually, our guys have been successful on both good teams and bad. Robertson was a stud on a good Yankees team, Frazier was a stud on a bad Reds team, Melky played well on some decent teams. LaRoche played well for a good Nationals team. Sale has been GREAT on some awful teams! This is probably the best starting 5 that either of our catchers have caught in their careers--both have been somewhat successful on other teams. You can go on! Collectively, our good players do not play well together. So you have to ask, what keeps that from happening? A good manager would not make our current team a good one overnight, but a good manager WOULD improve the culture of the team and you'd like to think that would lead to a higher probability of success over time and a higher expectation for new blood coming into the organization. I'm not buying it. These guys have been great, good, average, bad, and awful this year alone. They were 23-10. Was he a genius then a total moron? The truth is in between. The hot start got a lot of people excited, probably too much so, and this down period has a lot of people wondering if they will ever be average again. The truth almost certainly lies somewhere in the middle.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) "Some other managers who turned out to be good had bad records at first, too" isn't exactly a bulletproof argument. Many more managers with bad records turned out to be bad and always had bad records. The fact is, if you manage a bad team, you will have a bad record. If you think the White Sox are a bad team, no manager is going to make them a good one.

Rick Renteria managerial winning pct. .451 Robin Ventura managerial winning pct. .461

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) Anderson is leading off, with Eaton batting second. At least he won't hit into a DP his first AB.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) I do not want to hijack this thread but I simply can't let this pass. It's really hard for any GM to build a good minor league system when the operating 'philosophy' runs counter to that. Eddie Einhorn expressed that philosophy early on in the new ownerships tenure: (Paraphrasing) 'The way to win in baseball is with trades and free agent signings.' Many claim that philosophy still exists today. And there's a reason why JR fought for so many years to get a slot system in the draft. He's also publicly stated he does not like to pay unproven, untested players top dollar. From a business sense I understand that and would probably agree with it...but baseball wasn't run that way for better or worse. Instead of adapting, he continued to swim upstream against it. Which as owner was his right. But the Sox paid the price for it. If the Brown / Bonds situation is brought up, how about the Mike Trout one? The draft is not an exact science. every GM today, every GM in the past has blown picks. When ownership isn't interested in a solid minor league system, when ownership won't allocate resources to it (for example Mark Gonzales when he was the Sox beat writer posted a story stating that in terms of money spent on minor league talent the Sox were dead last in major league baseball for a five year period. I think it was something like 2007-2011) it's hard for any GM to work miracles. And that's not even counting the caliber of the minor league coaches, managers and instructors. Mark Yet Larry Himes was able to get it done under the same ownership, and you threw a "well he had top 10 picks" in there. So did Roland and he failed miserably. Don't downplay Larry Himes, and then come up with excuses for Roland. One difference between the Mike Trout one was a lot more teams passed on Trout. Bonds was the next pick after Brown. Don't tell me you wouldn't be holding that against KW ever.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) In my opinion Roland was the best GM JR ever had but your point about the minor league system is valid. Of course having four top picks in a row didn't hurt. And by top picks I mean in the top 10. Mark Roland got the axe because the minor league system was embarrassing. The guys they were calling up in 1985 were not major leaguers in any way. Roland's a nice guy, but if you use the same criteria on him you use on everyone else, his being fired was deserved. Kurt Brown over Barry Bonds with the 5th overall pick in the 1985 draft? Oops. Some of Roland's top 10 picks, Baines, nice, Daryl Boston at 7, Cecil Espy at 8, Steve Trout at 8, Steve Bueschele a decent player at 9, but didn't sign. Why would you draft a HS player at 9 who isn't going to sign?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 11:07 AM) If Anderson hits and can be moved up to the 2-spot, would anyone be opposed to Bourgeois or Leury Garcia patrolling center and hitting 9th? Don't really know how they're doing defensively, but it could add another solid defender in center pushing Eaton back to right with more speed and flexibility on the roster. No. They won't win with that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:03 AM) McNeil should be Kaplan's partner on 1000. That would be interesting. As much as his Cubs love does sometimes get in the way of what one would consider a professional broadcast, Kaplan is supposedly one of the nicest guys in the industry. He has had Danny Mac on his CSN show a few times, and they seem to get along pretty well. But Danny Mac eventually has problems with everybody. It would be interesting to see how long it takes for him to get Kap to crack.

Until yesterday, Lawrie had been hitting the ball pretty hard lately.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:33 AM) Just a hunch, but if the Sox lose this series, I expect that to be it for RV. I agree, even though I think it will do no good. They are running out of options. The new guy will be an idiot until either Morneau comes back and is decent, or another bat is acquired. This lack of offense has been going on a few years now. Either they need to re-evaluate how they target guys or they need someone new acquiring them. One thing that is never discussed is JR loves "I told you so" moments. When they won the division in 1983, his locker room comments were directed at Harry Caray and Jimmy Piersall. When they won the divison in 2000, his comments were to all the people who ripped the "White Flag" trade. There is nothing more he wants to do than win with Robin managing. He would like to stick it up all Robin's critics butts. It's one reason he still regrets letting LaRussa go. Most here are too young to remember those years, but even before the internet, he was always blasted. It was just as harsh or even more harsh than it is at Robin. But it is getting to the point where he really can't give him an extension, and they have to "do something". If they don't win 2 out of 3, I'm with you, I don't think he will be boarding their charter with the Hawkeroo.

The Royals are 2-8 their last 10.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 07:20 PM) Abreu hit a 98 MPH fastball today, there's something more mental and/or mechanics oriented going on there. The problem isn't even Abreu (or having a clean-up hitter) so much as the fact that Brett Lawrie's our fifth best hitter. That tells you all you need to know. We need at least 1 if not 2 BETTER hitters. That said, if you look at that 2012 team, it should have been converted into more assets. You had building blocks in Sale/Q/Santiago already to serve as your rotation. Peavy wasn't converted into Iglesias, but Avi instead, who we couldn't trade for more than Erik Johnson or Carlos Sanchez right now. Rios brought back Leury Garcia. Dunn was a perennial All-Star or at least put up 900+ OPS seasons at the very least. You had assets in Santos and Reed (maybe Santos had just been dealt for Molina to open the role for Reed, would have to look it up) which were turned into absolutely nothing. Obviously a lot of the players on that team just didn't last, especially the rookie pitchers. Nate Jones is still around, though, along with Sale and Q. We had a number of busts there also with Beckham, Viciedo....not to mention the eventual deterioration in the play of Alexei Ramirez and DeAza to look forward to. The end of the AJ years and the "coming" of Tyler Flowers. If we had made the right trades, drafted better players who were ready to contribute in 2013-14 (see the likes of Gillaspie/Flowers)...just too much patchwork (see Jeff Keppinger) and band aids, not enough high ceiling talent. At any rate, I still don't trust Hahn as a judge or evaluator of talent. I would rather give the job to Hostetler today and let him rebuild the system than let Rick Hahn make those same decisions. Santiago was turned into Adam Eaton. It was a frwaking steal, Santiago is horrible. He is a home run throwing machine who is lucky to make it through the 5th inning. Rios was shopped around, no one wanted to pay much for him., which isn't surprising since the Sox had to give up nothing to get him. Dunn wasn't bringing anything back. The Reed trade was bad, but most here loved it. The team was cooked, Paulie was never the same after his wrist injury, and the Sox dodged a bullet not bring Youk back. They got a good return for Peavy. Not just Avi.