Dick Allen

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 10, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) Anderson coming up a couple weeks before his 23rd birthday. Pretty great for him and the Sox organization. It starts his hero clock. If he is as good as we hope, we will be officially hero worshipping in no time, and he will be currency to get some prospects.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 10, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) I'm all for DFAing Rollins, but nothing I've read about Anderson this year suggests that he's ready yet. And with Carlos Sanchez available as an option to fill Rollins' role, I think it's a dumb move. It's one thing to waste $30M on Shields, but rushing your only really good position player prospect in the last several years may be an even dumber move in the long-term. The main concern to me would be how would he handle it if he did come up and fail. So far he's had some failure on just about every level and overcame it. I think the big worry in rushing a prospect is if he does real poorly, you can lose him forever. I don't think Anderson is in that boat. I do question if he is currently capable of upgrading the position.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 10, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) Sitting here balancing the usual excitement of seeing a top prospect called up with the certainty that they're rushing it. I dunno guys. I have the same feeling. There hasn't been many hitting prospects to really be excited about. Even Trayce was pretty much whatever. I think Beckham may have been the last one that made people excited and while he was great that year, initially he struggled.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) Its things like this that make you realize you really should just stay the hell away from big ticket free agency and focus your resources on cost-controlled players (via trade) and drafting and development and buying out known commodities good years. Missing on this type of deals can totally set a franchise back where as having a prospect bust doesn't necessarily financially jeopardize your team from contending, etc. You see far fewer teams win because of the game of FA then the other way around. If you are going to be a medium payroller and smaller franchise, you really can't intend on competing unless you really nail it on the draft, development and savy trade equation and than playing a little bit of lotto on shorter term / lower profile FA signings which fit defined needs. Especially guys whose performance is largely leg related.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 10, 2016 -> 08:43 AM) So Giancarlo Stanton is currently worse than 2012-2014 Adam Dunn. At age 26. Uh oh, hope it's just a bad 2.5 months. So do the Marlins. They gave him that huge extension and were counting on him opting out.

Don't really care about Collins' 40 time or his vertical at this point. The White Sox drafted a baseball player, not some athlete they are hoping to turn into one.

If you expect his numbers to be similar to Rollins and Saladino, it really makes no sense to call him up. They must project him to be better. I hope so, but think if he is called up, and it sure seems like that is the case, it most likely is a bit premature. I think he will struggle offensively initially, hopefully not to the point to where he is called anothe Sox bust. I think another couple months in Charlotte would do him some good. But desperate times call for desperate measures. The one positive is IMO, this could help him be ready from the get go in 2017.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) Not inconsistent. If I am not mistaken, Einhorn, when his group purchased the Sox, said the Sox were going to be run more professionally. This franchise now is more of a joke that at the time it was purchased from Bill Veeck. How so?

QUOTE (chisox802 @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) For what it's worth once again (in the Mat Latos thread I stated aprox. 20 minutes before it was announced that my buddy who works for the sox & bulls said that this was being announced today or tomorrow), he also said this. This move is solely in case they are not able to land a big bat, which unless the wheels continue to completely fall off they will make every effort to. Good news, and nice scoop.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) Hahn is a gigantic fool if he took a job in this organization but wasn't on board for how the franchise operated. He had at least half a dozen different organizations chase after him. He could have wrote his own ticket to a myriad of different teams. He wants to be here, and be a part of this. In fact he dropped out consideration for the St. Louis job because the farm director had ownerships ear and he thought he could be undermined. All this made up speculation about him being a puppet is a joke. Besides if he is weak enough to be a puppet, why would you want him running things anyway?

Lillian has to be somewhat pleased. Left handed middle of the order bat.

So mid to late July. This must be their deadline acquisition. It reminds me of Gar basically calling Dunleavy's return their deadline acquisition. I hope Hahn comes up with something else a bit sooner.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) He's so perma-concussed at this point he doesn't know who he is. The best the Sox can hope for is some freak of medical science that basically loses all sentience from repeated blows to the head and becomes a mindless destroyed of all things round. Kind of like a superhero origin story. I'm not holding my breath. This cracked me up. But the Sox sign a free agent to a $1 million contract to be a middle of the order left handed bat. This is very wishful thinking. But he has to be better than the spring training people's champ left handed bat, Travis Ishikawa.

I wonder what the timetable is on Mourneau being in the line up, and then the timetable on when he will be out for a significant stretch.

This is starting to remind of 1982. In September the Sox kept bringing in former big names, guys like Jim Kern and Sparky Lyle. It didn't work, but it was kind of fun.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) Except that whole "best player" thing. And back on topic, I would be completely satisfied with a Houston Astros type rebuild. Yeah, it would suck, but unlike this garbage team, we would know the direction we're trying to go. He was the #2 pick in the country hit 31 homers in 62 games. I could have made that pick. That's like putting whoever drafted LeBron James in the HOF because they drafted him. Sometimes things are no brainers.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) So my point stands. Dick Allen being Dick Allen. Soler free agent Fowler trade free agent Heyward free agent Bryant draft Russell trade Zobrist trade Rizzo trade Montero trade Lester free agent Lackey free agent Hendricks trade Arrieta trade Hammel free agent Rondon trade Truth hurts. Not much imput from the developmental staff.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) "The Cubs have done a pretty poor job developing their players over the last three to four years except their best player and the guy that carried their team for much of last season. And Javier Baez." Come on guys. You're smarter than this. How many more Cubs draft picks have to be good before you give them credit for actual drafting and developing players? Bryant was the only guy on the Cubs roster 2 days ago the amazing Theo drafted. Schwarber looks like a good pick, but he didn't rebuild the team through the draft. He signed a bunch of free agents and made some great trades.

Amazing how much money Mat Latos has lost the last 12 months.

He's been better than Shields.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) I don't think many people hold 2013-2014 against Ventura.... 2012, 2015, 2016 are a different story. 2011 the team wasn't even .500, they lost Buehrle for nothing. Many experts predicted they would finish in the basement. They set a major league record for rookie pitchers used, and won 85 games, yet Ventura sucked. Only White Sox fans.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) John McDonough did it for the Blackhawks. I just don't see that kind of move on the south side until a change at the very top happens, though. McDonough is a marketing guy. There is no marketing guy in the world right now that will make USCF a destination. And if the Hawks played like the Maple Leafs, McCub would have wished he never left Clark and Addison. Brooks get slammed all the time, but I don't think a team's marketing department tries harder to get people to games. They have tried just about everything they can do to no avail.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 02:10 PM) A lot of us are aware of what it is. The problem is, the Cubs are a best case scenario when it comes to rebuilding. They drafted well and were smart with international players. The White Sox have shown consistently that they are completely incapable of drafting positional talent and I would guess their rebuild process would be closer to the Astros' rebuild than to the Cubs' rebuild. Until yesterday, Theo had exactly 1 of his Cubs draft picks on the major league active roster. He spent a lot of money and made some great trades. People are calling for Hahn's head after for spending $27 million on Shields and his one awful start. Theo spend twice as much on Edwin Jackson. The Sox can't have a rebuild where they can throw money around like the Cubs.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) My biggest dislike for Lamont at that time is when they faced the Indians one of the starters was a call up from the farm. You put a minor league player is a decent chance to fail and not having your best chance at winning. It was Ruffcorn and he was valued by every organization and the guy never really made it. I don't think Scott Ruffcorn ever had even a good inning as a White Sox.

the last half of 2013 and all of 2014, the Sox were rebuilding and there was a ton of complaining around here. Everyone still holds the record during that time against the manager. I don't think many who are calling for a rebuild truly understand what a rebuild entails.