Dick Allen

He might not be bad to have around but I doubt he would help much this season. He hasn't played in games in a year or more, and MLB is something he hasn't seen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 18, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) No judgement calls are reviewable. Isn't safe vs. out a judgement call? I can understand balls and strikes, but they review catcher's interference. They review baserunner interference. Why not batter interference?

I wonder why it isn't reviewable. I would think it would be pretty easy to determine on a replay.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) No, I said that the White Sox/Hahn would not feel he was worth the draft pick. Totally different. Whether he's worth the draft pick to me, as a fan, that's another issue altogether (and one that's not really relevant). At any rate, if we opened that closed thread...I was consistently arguing the merits of a Desmond acquisition (and most of the criticism amounted to his defense at SS and falloff offensively/declining OPS, etc.). I noticed you've gotten much, much quieter about that one now that Desmond's hitting like he was expected to. Now it's that I didn't want him, lol. It's easy to take the position as a fan they should just spend on every free agent out there and ignore the draft pick compensation. I suppose it's easier to live in that unrealistic universe. From now on, I'll write two halves to every post. What the White Sox should do, and what they're likely to do in reality...anticipating the fact they weren't going to give up Shark's draft pick because it would make that trade (at least temporarily) look even worse. Is that why in the same post you said Desmond in June, you also said pay $10 million for Latos and $8 million for Parra? You were just wrong and now playing the hindsight game where you knew it all alone. No, you didn't. What you did do is say the Sox should sign him for $10 million. They signed him for $3 million and then you bashed the signing siting concerns he had so few offers. Desmond had few offers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2016 -> 01:47 PM) We could say that about 1967, 1977, 1994 (no strike, Sox win the World Series!!! except JR was one of the biggest leaders on the ownership side, that's one area Thad Bosley has a point about sabotaging your own franchise), 2000 (pitching wore down in the second half and offense cooled), 2003 (no 5th starter, Twins took Kenny Rogers), 2004 (injuries), 2006 (injuries/pitchers wore down in 2nd half...Twins and Tigers were unreal in the 2nd half behind quality pitching), 2008 (Carlos Quentin self-sabotaged his season and career), 2010 (Twins had Thome, we had Ozzie's Kotsay-headed monster...Twins wipe us out again, Thome crushes Matt Thornton and they never look back), 2012 (either got tired, were beaten by a more talented team/manager or simply choked depending on who you ask). Please don't refer to the White Sox as we or us. You are a Royals fan. And if you are using Thad Bosley as a source.......

The White Sox were also stacked in 2004 and might have won something then had Thomas and Ordonez not been hurt.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 18, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) True but according to the box score it was also a "balmy" 52 degrees at game time and I assume it got colder as the game wore on. Weather has at times really stuck it to the White Sox, can't blame fans for not coming out when the weather remains lousy. Mark The place would have been full if JR didn't let Harry get away 34 years ago.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2016 -> 12:40 AM) I do vaguely recall starting a thread on bringing in Jackson and Desmond in December...before it was closed by the mods. Whether they could have brought in Fowler is another issue altogether, probably not. They certainly weren't going to surrender two draft picks for Desmond and Fowler, although that would have left them sitting pretty for this season and likely recouping the picks with QO's in 2017. You said Desmond in June because he wasn't worth the draft pick. You also said absolutely no to Fowler because of the draft pick and you said he wouldn't be able to hit in the AL despite the fact he played in the AL one season and hit pretty well. A

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 18, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) my comment wasnt meant to pin it on Robin, it was obvious the home ump made up his mind. I wasn't suggesting it was. Just stating the umpire refused to discuss it with anyone which to me is ridiculous, even though the non call wouldn't have changed. What I don't understand about umpires is when a call is made and a manager argues to have it discussed, then they discuss it and change the call, wouldn't that be the exact opposite of "trying to get it right/" If the manager never argued, the umpire(s) who saw the call differently enough to get it changed just bite their tongue. I would like one time for umpires to have a discussion at the request of another umpire, not the manager.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 18, 2016 -> 06:35 AM) At the very least the umps should have huddled and talked about it, but nothing I was by the Sox on deck circle and Robin did ask if he would ask for help. The umpire refused.

QUOTE (harkness @ May 18, 2016 -> 07:52 AM) Okay there was a lot of back and forth about the rule in the game thread. However the umpires not responsible for Albers completely losing it 3 games in a row. I'm pretty sure it was an 0-2 pitch Gattis hit. Albers seemed spotless early, now it seems he just can't get over the hump the last couple outings. He seems to be one pitch from getting out of it and can't deliver. Probably the reason he was relegated to the 11th inning yesterday.

They came back in the 9th last night and did score in the 11th. I thought Eaton's ball in the 9th was gone. If it was typical May 17th weather , it may have been. This 45 degree crap needs to end. Putnam was off a bit. Albers is in a slump. Except for the homers, Rodon looked much better. Hopefully Latos will have a good outing, and Frazier will be back in the line up. The Sox offense seems out of hibernation.

Times like this the Sox could use the leadership of Drake LaRoche

Bottom line was Albers made a huge mistake way ahead in the count and that was the game. Back on track tomorrow

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 17, 2016 -> 11:11 PM) Did Ventura even come out and argue and ask the ump to get help? Also bullpen and clutch hitting are gone. Resting the pen in Texas seems to have ended their mojo. Of course he did.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 17, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) Jones has been real shaky lately Yeah .127 BAA just horrible

QUOTE (Condor13 @ May 17, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) Frazier is not playing due to an illness. Supposedly he wasn't even at the park when they spoke to the media, but is expected and may play if able and needed.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ May 17, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) The White Sox traded Gio Gonzalez TWICE. That's a huge fail. Imagine Gio in the White Sox rotation now. Oakland traded him because they weren't going to be able to afford him. If you go back, the Swisher trade was for the most part highly praised in these parts. Hindsight again has shown how smart people who don't actually make trades for a living can be.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 17, 2016 -> 01:59 PM) If the Sox can go 7-6 in every 13 game stretch from this point forward, they'll make the playoffs. If any team went 7-6 every 13 games, they would finish 87-75. Decent shot at a WC. It goes to show the overreaction of a 2-4 roadtrip. There isn't a team in baseball that won't have a 2-4 stretch this season.

If Collins' bat is as good as you hope, you probably don't want him catching anyway. If he could play 1B and DH and rake, that's not too bad. Frank Thomas was an awful 1B. You can outhit being bad defensively especially with a DH.

All you need to know about GreenSox is he is still mad the Sox gave up Jeremy Reed for Freddy Garcia. Even with hindsight. Even knowing the Sox used Garcia to win a WS, then traded him for Floyd and Gio.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 17, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) I wish the resident fan base hater/basher would not misquote other posters on this site. I never said anything like this. I said three things: Harry Caray had a positive impact on Sox attendance during his stay with the Sox, a view obviously agreed to by the then-Sox ownership because they paid him huge bonuses tied to attendance. I also said Harry Caray managed to have that impact despite rather minimal exposure on a suburban radio station for awhile and Channel 44. But my broader point was that Harry Caray would have accomplished expanding the Sox fan base the way he impacted and expanded the Cubs fan base had he remained the Sox announcer on WGN. With the power of the superstation at his disposal, he was primarily responsible for the Cubs becoming a national treasure on WGN. The outstanding job he did selling the Cubs and Wrigley Field on WGN translated into an extraordinary boost in attendance, and the Cubs continue to benefit from what he started to this very day. If you choose to deny that, SSK5, that's your problem, but it remains the truth. What also remains the truth is that it was a colossal mistake for the current ownership to let Caray go in the first place and to forego WGN in favor of SportsVision. HUGE, HUGE mistakes by Jerry Reinsdorf & Co. There is no denying that. For anyone interested, here is a great article from a few years ago summarizing what is my point of view. You'll see it is quite different from the silly attempt by SS2K5 to try and paraphrase my opinion. http://kentsterling.com/2013/07/15/chicago...lk-to-the-cubs/ One thing you refuse to address, exactly how was JR going to get all the Sox games on WGN when all the Cubs games were on WGN and WGN and the Cubs were owned by the same entity? I'll hang up and listen for my answer.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 17, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) The Angels don't need Anderson with Simmons one of the best defenders in all of baseball at that position. So it comes down to would they accept Adams? It's not going to be Johnson/Sanchez and a bunch of suspects...let's put it this way, last year Burns had a 2.8 WAR playing half his games at the O.CO. He's only 26, under control for multiple years and won't cost much for awhile. The average player picked in the late first round/early 2nd round doesn't even put up a 2.8 CAREER WAR usually. So that means he should be theoretically more highly valued to the White Sox than Spencer Adams...not to mention the fact that a 2.5-3ish WAR player would be a 1 1/2 WAR upgrade on what Austin Jackson's on pace to contribute. So while his OPS is in the mid 600's now, that doesn't mean they're just going to give him away. Do I believe Hahn would trade Fulmer for him? No, probably not. But he would be the first player the A's will ask about. First off, if the White Sox even thought about Anderson or Adams or Fulmer for Burns, they would be insane. Secondly, I don't think, and I could be wrong, the Angels SS situation would matter much in a trade between the White Sox and A's.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 17, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) What's stunning, well not that stunning, is the patience and optimism about OTHER team's young players who can't hit a lick, compared to the patience, optimism of SOX young players who haven't hit yet. By the LARGE consensus hereon, Trayce Thompson was nothing but a fourth outfielder. And that's even though he absolutely raked in September. The consensus has already ruled that Saladino and Sanchez are utility infielders. Bradley is a nice example of someone who has talent, didn't play well in his first ML attempts, but was still good. Sure they could have dumped him. But to acquire that player now, would require a top 50 prospect and a couple of other Bs Inciarte is a slap hitter with no power who got lucky last year that his slaps found holes...the stats revealed that. Could he develop into something? Perhaps. Considering Bradley Jr. was a top 25 prospect.....To think other teams' young players all have patience and it's just the White Sox problem with young hitters is obviously a case of not paying attention.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 16, 2016 -> 09:02 PM) Heading into Tuesday's games up 4 1/2 on CLE, 5 1/2 on the Royals and 7 games up on DET, who have now won two games a row but also just blew a huge lead against the Twins (Zimmerman gave up 7 ER) but won 10-8 in the end. Would be nice to knock the Tigers out completely, they're teetering on the brink as is... 7 GB with over 125 games to play is not teetering on the brink.