Dick Allen

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 04:59 PM) Wrong song, LeRoy! I'd much rather enjoy and be chatting about good White Sox baseball than complain about bad White Sox baseball. Unfortunately, we've had more of the latter than former the past 35 years under the leadership of you-know-who. But you are correct about one thing - life is good! I just want White Sox baseball to be good as well, and enjoy more of it in the form of exciting postseason play than we have in the past 35 years. That little request there - more postseason play - is the point I keep making but which you inexplicably keep equating to complaining and whining and moaning and this and that. I don't know why you do that, but you do. It seems to be your thing. That's ok, though. I can handle it. I'll just "olay" that charging bull off to the side and continue on my merry way. Why? Because as a wise man once said: "Life is good." You have only found one season exciting in 35 years despite several postseason appearances. In fact, for me the 1990 season was very exciting. 94 wins, would have made the playoffs if they were like they are now, from a team that was supposed to be bad. The 1977 team finished in 3rd place yet they are still adored. Reinsdorf didn't own that team, but many people found that team to be exciting. It probably is time for you to bail, The fact is JR isn't going to sell, and you don't find teams good enough to make the postseason exciting. It depends on how that postseason goes. We'll be thankful you are not a Pirates fan. After 20 below .500 season in a row, knocked out in 5, then knocked out in 1, and knocked out in 1. Three more dull seasons. Every post you moan how the White Sox and Jerry Reinsdorf in particular, have made your baseball viewing miserable for 34 of the past 35 years. Besides repeating that over and over and over again, why don't you do something about it?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) If Russell is healthy, Cubs in 6. He is out for the series.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 02:43 PM) Actually, and maybe you know this, Dick Allen, but was 1983 "exciting"? Most of us, the very great majority of us, in fact, certainly heard it was, but we wouldn't really know. Because that year, due to one of King Reinsdorf's many franchise-crippling moves from over the years, that particular team was practically hidden away from us on that brilliant brain child of Reinsdorf and Einhorn's known as "Sportsvision". So instead of having 150 games or so on free TV like the Cubs did the next season in '84 during their successful run that year, which made them wildly popular throughout the city and beyond, that '83 team, which was a very good team, was seen on free TV a mere 32 times, with the balance on Sportsvision, which practically no one subscribed to. I, like so many, had to rely on the broadcast stylings of one Joe McConnell on WMAQ radio to paint the mental image of what was happening on the field with that '83 team. So if it was exciting, it's only because McConnell told us so, thanks to that failed get-rich-quick Sportsvision scheme. If in 35 years, you have enjoyed yourself 1 season, I think any of us would conclude it's time to move on, but you appear to be someone who embraces whining and complaining. You must go to a restaurant, and wait to see how successful they become to determine if you enjoyed the meal. It must be tough for you to go to a movie when it first comes out because you won't know if you liked it until it's final box office numbers are in. It definitely appears you would rather complain about something than to enjoy it. That really is a shame. Life is good. Only the White Sox can be criticized and whined about 32 years later for being AHEAD of their time. Why is it you were willing to pay to watch them in 2005?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 11:54 AM) Oh I absolutely want Puig. This fanbase needs a flashy player. If nothing else to generate some interest. Plus he's a good player and we could use him. I agree. He's young, not too expensive, talented as can be, and the Sox could market the crap out of him. He has his issues without a doubt, so some sort of support would need to be either there or created.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Murphy's track record is a lot more extensive than Conor Gillaspie's, I don't think they're comparable at all. If the amounts being thrown around in this thread are true, though, he wouldn't be a smart pickup. I'll pass on Frazier too. People are underestimating what it would take to get him. I'm not comparing them per se. Only the 2014 version of Gillaspie. Murphy is awful in the field. 14 homers is a career high. I could see a .730 OPS with awful defense pretty easily. If he were just average with the glove, it would be one thing, but he's known to be really bad.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 08:01 AM) . That's what the metrics say. But I don't trust defensive metrics. The jump around from year to year. I get that for offense, obciously, but not defense. Lacks range. 2 years left on the deal. I fully expect the Sox to pile up some imperfect prospects to get a guy like him, just like they did last year. And somehow the team will find a way to get output out of those guys while the Sox can't. Sox didn't get any better when they dumped Micah from second. Coopers pitcher stats got better. The team didn't. They jump around, but he's been positive with them the last 3 years. Eventually, he will probably be bad, but to say he is a bad defender now isn't accurate. He has been over a 4 WAR player the last couple of years. The contract isn't a problem. Extending him reasonably might, but IMO, the problem is he is going to cost a lot to get. I think some of the suggestions of his cost are more than a bit low. It seems we are in an era where if you have an average 3B and average C, you are ahead of most.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 07:41 AM) Todd Frazier and his 2nd half c .650 OPS and bad defense? Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Sox load up the prospects for him. I mean he almost won home run derby! He is actually a pretty good defender.

Murphy has been a good hitter, and the playoffs probably will make him some money, but do you really want to pay a guy that much money for several years in his 30's who is probably the 2014 edition of Conor Gillaspie ?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) Lol - oh, c'mon. What are you doing here. You are twisting words left and right. First you say I said " the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS", and then you clarify that by saying that I said the Sox " have had 1 exciting season in 35 years". You do realize that's two completely different statements, don't you? The first is, as I already mentioned, something I've never, ever said. I've never said that the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS. Never, ever, and I'll eat my hat if you can go back and find a quote where I said such a dumb thing. (Don't worry, dear Hat of mine - you are in no danger!) As for the second quote about the one good season in the past 35, under the Reinsdorf regime, I certainly did assert that there has only been one truly exciting season during Reinsdorf's horrific reign as owner, that of course being '05. The other 34 years - only four playoff appearances with only four playoff wins among all four. That's not very exciting at all, now is it. Obviously there was excitement in the anticipation leading up to those playoff appearances, but those were quickly squashed by the results (particularly the 0-3 sweep by the Mariners in '00 and the 1-3 quick in & out against the Rays in '08). I could soften my stance a little bit, I guess, and say '83 was exciting, since it was the first trip to the postseason in 24 years at that point, even if we were outscored 18-1 in those final three games. But all in all, '05 was truly the only showing worthy of note during the past 35 years. No doubt about it! Finally, the only one really "whining", "moaning", and/or "complaining" around here is you, ironically enough. Seems to be your go-to option when you can't argue a point that you want to. If you don't agree with someone's criticism of Reinsdorf, or Williams, or whatever, just say it. Provide evidence or suggestions to the contrary. But don't throw down with the weak name calling. That's not interesting in any aspect. You think this years teams making their league championship series are exciting, yet when the White Sox made their league championship series in 1983, 1993, not exciting. I guess the difference is I can watch something and immediately enjoy it. Apparently you need 6 months and final results to see if you enjoyed it or not. Not surprising. Too bad the Rangers season could have been exciting, but 3 consecutive errors ruined everything, therefore a dull season.

Arietta not starting game one even though it would be his regular rest. Makes you think he might be having some shoulder or elbow issues.

Grandal 5 for his last 93. That is really unbelievable.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 05:45 PM) Based on? I mean I don't think he's smart, but why the "bad dude" opinion? 5 year $95 million contract with the Bulls. 13 year $185 million contract with Adidas. There is no question his IQ isn't very high. I don't think he is a bad dude, but when he mentions free agency 2 years away as a means to get his family financial stable, he is being fed things by a bad dude. Reggie Rose did a great job keeping his little brother out of trouble and danger, no one can say otherwise. But he is also a well known asshole who apparently is all about getting every last dollar. If $280 million plus whatever he made befor these contracts isn't enough for him and several generations of Roses to be able to consider themselves financially stable, he needs a new financial advisor.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) Lol - oh, c'mon. What are you doing here. You are twisting words left and right. First you say I said " the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS", and then you clarify that by saying that I said the Sox " have had 1 exciting season in 35 years". You do realize that's two completely different statements, don't you? The first is, as I already mentioned, something I've never, ever said. I've never said that the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS. Never, ever, and I'll eat my hat if you can go back and find a quote where I said such a dumb thing. (Don't worry, dear Hat of mine - you are in no danger!) As for the second quote about the one good season in the past 35, under the Reinsdorf regime, I certainly did assert that there has only been one truly exciting season during Reinsdorf's horrific reign as owner, that of course being '05. The other 34 years - only four playoff appearances with only four playoff wins among all four. That's not very exciting at all, now is it. Obviously there was excitement in the anticipation leading up to those playoff appearances, but those were quickly squashed by the results (particularly the 0-3 sweep by the Mariners in '00 and the 1-3 quick in & out against the Rays in '08). I could soften my stance a little bit, I guess, and say '83 was exciting, since it was the first trip to the postseason in 24 years at that point, even if we were outscored 18-1 in those final three games. But all in all, '05 was truly the only showing worthy of note during the past 35 years. No doubt about it! Finally, the only one really "whining", "moaning", and/or "complaining" around here is you, ironically enough. Seems to be your go-to option when you can't argue a point that you want to. If you don't agree with someone's criticism of Reinsdorf, or Williams, or whatever, just say it. Provide evidence or suggestions to the contrary. But don't throw down with the weak name calling. That's not interesting in any aspect. You have made my point. You can't tell if a season is exciting or not until the playoffs are over. Too bad you missed out on some fun times. 1983, 1990,1993, 1994 until the strike, 2000, 2006 was fun for a good while, 2008, the Blackout game was a joy, 2010 when they had a really hot stretch. There were some good times in other seasons as well. 2012 being in first place unexpectedly most of the season, 2003 first place in the middle of September, 2004, a great team until Maggs and The Big Hurt went down, too bad you didn't find those exciting. But keep on mentioning those 35 years. Start another thread about how you are going to choose a new team, then post the same tired post the next 6 months about JR and his 35 year reign of terror.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:14 PM) That would be a complete falsehood, Kind Sir. I have never, ever said anything of the sort. This is the second time you've accused me of saying something I didn't, most recently some silliness about me once saying I was going to take my business to the north side of town. That, too, gets filed in the "I have never, ever" category. You ought to really be sure of what you are saying before you say it. This is starting to get a bit reckless on your part. Just sayin'! Yes you did. You said they have had 1 exciting season in 35 years. And you have said you were going to give up your fan card. I guess you find whining about JR more attractive than rooting for a winning team.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:04 PM) I'll take Option C, which you didn't offer up but I'm taking it anyway, which is to have that wonderful WS championship experience of '05, AND take advantage of the new playoff system of recent years and maybe have had 2-3 more playoff appearances since '05 as well. Now I'm not greedy, mind you - I'm not saying I expected 2-3 more WS championships. That would, of course, be silly. But just step into that postseason more frequently than we have so we can have some freakin' FUN, for chrissakes. It is NOT fun to have to watch as many meaningless games in our empty ballpark in September and then NONE in October like we've had to do for practically the last decade. So it's not an either/or proposition, the Sox' experience of the past decade vs. that of the Tigers. I'll take the '05 experience, with just a little more white sock waving opportunities in October than we've been provided in the last decade. I don't think that's too much to ask! Says the guy who once posted the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) I'm inclined to agree, I think people overrate titles, especially in a sport as random as baseball. The Tigers/White Sox question is a good one, and since we've been so starved for baseball championships in this city people would lean towards the title, but in most cases I'd lean towards the Tigers here. For another example, in my opinion the Braves making the playoffs 14 years in a row and only having 1 title to show for it >>>>>>>> Marlins winning 2 titles randomly and sucking the rest of the time. But the question included, you know you weren't going to win. I understand multiple playoff appearances. I get that, but if you get swept out of the first round, or you're like the Pirates and make it 3 times in a row but lose 3-2 the first time and the 2 WC games the next time, isn't a title and a 90 win, and 85 win and 88 win season with no playoffs, and another playoff appearance bowing out in 4 games, far better? I think the whiners have taken over and pretty much are starting to brainwash everyone into think the White Sox have lost 100 games a year the last decade. They have had 4 or 5 decent seasons. Sure, the past 3 have been difficult, but they seem to be on a better track. A lot of stuff went wrong this past year. I love that they aren't blaming the manager. Blaming players is the fastest way to get things to change.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) How about I choose both? A WS win and a sustained run of success? This WS title is gonna end up being a curse to the franchise with fans thinking like you. If winning a WS is a curse, I'll take the curse. As I pointed out, in a couple of weeks, there still will be 23 teams that haven't won a WS since the White Sox did.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) You ignored the rest of my post, but that's ok. I don't disagree that more money is a good thing. I just realize they already have more than enough to be a good franchise. It depends. Money changes the way you operate. Andrew Friedman seems to be a different type of deal maker with the Dodgers than he was with the Rays. He can throw money everywhere and if it doesn't work out, no big deal. I think the biggest advantage with money vs. small market is not necessarily being able to sign the $200 million guys. IMO, it is the ability to hang on to your guys. The teams in perpetual rebuilding develop guys, then they get good so they can't pay them, so they are traded and they have to start the cycle again. That's why I don't understand the people complaining about it being 7 years since the Sox were last in the playoffs, so trade Chris Sale. That suggests waiting another 7.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) the WS win.... So this regime is at least better than Detroit's . Since the White Sox last won the WS, the only other organizations to win the WS are: Boston St. Louis San Francisco NY Yankees Philadelphia 24 other organizations have a WS title drought longer than the White Sox. It will be 23 in a few weeks.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) It may be unrealistic to "expect" the owner to sell (sadly enough), but it's certainly not unrealistic to "want" him to sell, because believe you me, we need the "post Reinsdorf" era to begin sooner rather than later. 35 years of this ownership, whether you look at the last ten years, the first ten years, or whatever - enough is enough! The organization needs a bold new strategy and vision, because what's been in place is not working, and I don't think after 35 years that Mr. Reinsdorf is capable at this point of doing anything much differently than what he has been doing. Maybe I'm wrong, and if he cares to prove me wrong, I'm certainly open to it, but I don't see that happening. As for your second comment about needing to win vs. just finding baseball "worth watching", well, we have been watching, at least the people who frequent this site. We've been watching for a long time now. Despite the less-than-desirable product we've been presented with for quite some time, we still find it worth watching. Why? Because through it all, we remain Sox fans, through and through. So we are watching. Now the question is, is it too much to ask to sprinkle in a little more winning than has been the case for the past ten years? Is it too much to ask for the opportunity to wave "white socks" like a crazy person at U.S. Cellular Field in mid-October, cheering madly for the team we love, at least more frequently than one or two games per decade? That is the ask here. For those who find this request some form of "whining" or "complaining" or "moaning" or whatever, so be it. Call it what you want. But that's what true White Sox fans crave for their ballclub - success! And by golly, we are not going to stop talking about it until we get it!! If in October of 2005, you had the choice of the White Sox winning the WS and having the next decade go like it has gone, or losing the WS and duplicating the Tigers since then with a WS appearance, and plenty of playoff appearances, but no wins, what do you choose?

Is anyone else as sick of Eddie Vedder as I am?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) As a throw in as part of a larger deal depending on what the pieces are. Mark 2014 AA-AAA .316/.376/.467 2015 AAA .315/.377/.464 b**** and moan the Sox can't develop hitters, then get this guy who does that and runs like the wind, and use him as a "throw in". Yeah, that makes sense.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) That's what it boils down to. Parent and Baines gone, but look, we're changing things up! What's sad is there is a portion of the fanbase they're fooling in doing so, but I think the majority of us know it is nothing more than scapegoating, as you said. They are changing things up. They aren't trying to fool anyone. What they need really is not a better bench coach or assistant hitting coach, they need better players.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Tim Anderson's K to BB rate for AA is alarming when you project him to the Majors. I know he's new to baseball, and the Sox like those type of toolsy athlete types, but I have reservations as to Anderson being all he can be in the Majors. 114 K to 24 walks. 125 games played. He doesn't have the power to hit like that either. If they trade him, what would they get back is the real question. What would it matter if he isn't going to be anything anyway?

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) So yeah, what would Sale get? Exactly my point. Look at the list of prospects Boston offered Seattle for King Felix, and gave them their choice of 5. While Seattle hasn't won anything since, they were far better off saying no. I don't understand why people want to get rid of stars for prospects. You must love when the Sox lose.