Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 8, 2015 -> 08:38 AM) In the battle of Carlos, Sox LHP Carlos Rodon, who has been very sharp lately, takes on Indians RHP Carlos Carrasco, who has had a very good season. I feel like this point of the year (September, Sox out of the playoff race) is the time we Sox fans take for granted. In mid-December, when the Bears are 3-11, the Hawks are struggling without Kane/Sharp/Saad, and Derrick Rose is out for 6 months with a knee injury, we'll wish we had any White Sox baseball- even an unimportant game like this. This post is so true. I attend a ton of games, and it gets pretty hard to go during a season like this beginning for me around the middle of August, but once Labor Day rolls around, I get a second wind knowing how I would love to be at a baseball game in a couple of months.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 7, 2015 -> 09:52 AM) The White Sox win the division in 2002, 2003, 2004 and probably a couple other years I'm forgetting if they could've done exactly what the Cubs are doing this year: skullf*** bad teams. 3rd place. They really skullf***ed the White Sox and Phillies.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) I still like the 2014 Eaton getting on base better than this version. His OBP the second half is only .419. He is within .011 of his 2014 OBP overall.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) This is all fine but if Olt is the starting 3B next year or in the picture even, well then s***balls as they say. If he is in the picture it means he is showing his earlier promise. He has power, somethimg the Sox can use. Chances are. A year from now we will all forget he was ever a White Sox, but it is worth a shot.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) He is a 27 year version of Davidson. Low BA, high K-rate etc. While the SOX may have nothing to lose, other players do and would rather see Saladino continue to get the reps because Saladino has at least shown the ability to hit a little in the majors and more importantly play good 3B defense, neither of which Olt has done at the major league level. Saladino has a .601 OPS which is lower than Olt's last season. I don't mind Saladino and expect his bat to improve, but one more option isn't going to hurt his development. He might not even be a 3B next spring. 2 years ago Olt was a top 25 prospect. He isn't a typical waiver claim other than he probably flames out, but maybe he pulls a JD Martinez

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) And Olt's OPS is .521 this year. Your point is? Olt: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oltmi01.shtml No matter how you slice it, this move makes zero sense and the Sox have nothing to gain by giving a 4A player some playing time. At one time, he was considered one of the top prospects in baseball. Chances are he will be nothing, but the Sox have no roster crunch, bring him in, give him a couple ABs, he supposedly changed some things up after this injury, see what he has, maybe see how the offseason treats him. If you wind up waiving him, you lose nothing. Unless the Sox can't afford the $85k this move will cost, it makes no sense NOT to make. He is better than Matt Davidson.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) Basically, as I just showed by quoting 10 of my own posts, I don't mind losing 2nd and 3rd round picks. I specifically said in one of those quoted posts I don't mind giving up the draft pick for Melky, I'm much more concerned about whether he actually can hit based on his weak performance in 2013. In other posts I said specifically I'd much rather give up a draft pick for Shields than trade multiple pieces for Samardzija. I don't think picks after the first round are worth nearly as much as people think. I will whine if we give up the 11th pick in the draft this year for a free agent, but that's because it's a first round pick and that's a huge difference from the comp round. So no, you're putting words in my mouth and then accusing me of moving the goalposts based on your words. Semin, Bassitt, Phegley, and Ravelo each were selected below where the Sox will be selecting with the comp pick. It sure seems like guys who in your own mind, aren't worh nearly as much as people think, you are giving superior value. You need to attend your own Baseball 101 lectures.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) Rather than complete the impossible challenge which requires reading minds, I'm going to again turn it back your way. If the White Sox couldn't get value back for him at the deadline that was a lot better than a single sandwich pick, then the rest of the league was even more skeptical about him after his 1st half performance than I was, and back in June I was saying his dropping K-rate was a serious, "don't extend me!" red flag. And as I quote above...I was ok with giving up a draft pick for Cabrera. My own words were that "I don't care nearly as much about the draft pick as I do about his terrible 2013 season". If he performed like a tolerable player then giving up the draft pick is nothing. It was the 3rd round, that's basically nothing. The worry was whether he'd be a tolerable player or whether his good seasons were something he couldn't repeat. You have mentioned losing draft picks have you not? To fully whine like you whine you sometimes have to move goalposts. There are teams out there that aren't going to have to give up a 1st round pick for him. His serious drop in k's is 1 k from his rate with the A's, and 1.1 from his career rate. I thin k he sucks, biput so,eome will sign him. We do know that whoever they draft will suck because you said so. The fact is Semien has pretty much sucked since after a hot start. Phegley hasn't been so mich better than Soto. Bassitt has been oretty good, but is probably a reliever on the Sox. Ravelo, you got me. A future HOFer for sure. If only 1st round picks matter, then why was dumping any of them so dumb? It is funny, you say the Sox can't develop a non pitcher, yet b**** and moan about Semien, Phegley, and Ravelo. The good news is as great as Phegley now supposedly is, he was picked 38th overall by the idiot White Sox. So the same idiots should be able to do just as well pickimg around the same placc or higher. Keep whining.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 09:51 AM) So based on your strong endorsement of this pick you think that signing Robertson and Cabrera was a clear mistake right? Because the priority must be accumulating draft picks? Otherwise you're doing the same thing you accuse me of. What I would say, and have said from the start, is that the draft pick is a poor exchange for a player. If you've got a guy already at AAA who looks to have a shot at the big leagues, reasonable age for that level, that's worth more to me than a sandwich pick. I'll take a first round pick over a generic AAA player unless they look really solid, but a sandwich pick is worth less than that. It shouldn't go into your calculation of "do we trade this group of players for a pitcher near free agency" because even if it works out it won't impact your roster for another year. It should barely register on your radar for making a deadline deal, because if you can't get better value than that at the deadline then the rest of the league wants nothing to do with that player. It's nice, if you're accumulating a bunch of them it can help your roster in a few years, and it's the kind of thing you should try to accumulate more of if you're going through a 3-4 year rebuilding process. Somehow I don't think you're going to endorse doing that. I don't know how you come up with that. If trading draft picks were allowed, I think a lot of people would trade a future 2nd, and future 3rd for Melky and Robertson. You are whining that what they could have received for Samardzija is light years ahead of a pick that is better than a 2nd or 3rd both in position and money it allows you to mess with. For ine thing, you would have to prove what was offered for Shark, which I have seen through the hundreds of posts b****ing about this, you have offered zero. I don't like Samrdzija, and never did. But if the offer, again which you have never shown, doesn't blow a top 30-35 pick away, keeping him made a lot of sense unless . Show us the offers, then keep complaining. You are basing your complaining on your imagination, not fact.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) How many people in this thread treat the comp pick as the next sure fire Spencer Adams? I think it's 100% fair to be down on it and to point out that there's a good chance whoever the comp pick is, if there even is one, will never do as much as Adams has already done and to keep pointing that out. The average fWAR of comp picks, as pointed out in this thread, over their career, is 2, meaning probably more than 1/2 of them produce less than that. I would take a guy established at AAA over an unnamed comp pick almost any time. And that doesn't even factor in the fact that a guy at AAA or AA can help us within a year or two while a comp pick won't even be in our system until next year and could take 5 years to get to the bigs, if that even happens. So if you're looking for those, it's nice, but it's a long-term rebuilding asset, not something that helps in the near future. And if the team was so on a roll that you believed in them enough after 7 wins against 2 of the worse teams in the AL, then you should have added something to the roster to help it. Then again, the old lesson of "You're never as good as you look when you're on a roll and you're never as bad as you look when your'e in your worst slump" seems to be another of those lessons our FO has failed to learn. Haven't you b****ed about losing the second and third round picks in this past draft? The comp pick will be better. If it is as worthless as you claim, this dream of your about building through the draft makes zero sense. You complain from both sides. It apparently is your hobby.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/likely-scen...fice-vacancies/ Kiley McDaniel has Jerry Dipoto and Kenny Williams as most likely names in Seattle. Nightengale thinks Kevin Towers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 03:59 PM) If we couldn't get more for him than the value of a comp pick then it's extremely unlikely he's going to get even Edwin Jackson money because that would mean every other team saw the red flags and the collapse coming & wouldn't give up anything useful for him. 2 exremely different markets, also he was on a roll, as was the team, unless you blow that comp pick away, it makes little sense to give in. The reports were the offers were like for Leake. I really don't know why the guy or guys they could have ultimately traded him for are sure all stars, amd the comp pick will peak in Winston Salem, but if that is how you choose to look at everything, we have a different idea of entertainment.

Isn't Maddon anti-cutter?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) Jackson was coming off a season with a 4.03 ERA and a 3.85 FIP in 190 innings when he was given that contract. His K-rate in the final year of his previous deal (2012) was also better than it was in 2011, so you didn't have an obvious signal of concern that he's about to fall off a cliff like you might think you have with Samardzija's K-rate. Edwin Jackson significantly outperformed Samardzija in his walk year. I will bet you $1000 Samardzija declines the QO.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) DAVID. FALES. Also Carey was very good too. People forget he's actually younger than Langford who they just drafted this year. Should be interesting to see the cuts. Players pay and gift other teammates for numbers. Cutler should do the same to try to get Fales to give up his last name. It would be a perfect fit.

The great Theo Epstein gave Edwin Jackson $52 million. Samardzija is not going to accept the QO, it's nice fodder for the doomsdayers who like to think the Sox are screwed no matter what they do, but it's a virtual lock they have an additional pick and slot money next June.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 06:55 PM) If this is at all true, it is probably decent news. It means we can probably offer him a QO with a reasonable expectation that he turns it down and leaves. Sullivan still thinks he gets at least $80 million. There is probably no way he would tske it if he loved Coop, but if true, it would seem to cement it. Kaplan did say there was no interest from either side lengthening the relationship. That said, someone not liking their boss isn't so unusual.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 06:46 PM) How in the world are those two thing connected? Sounds like an agenda to me. if Kaplan is correct, the odds definitely increase KW wanting to send him elsewhere. I do think this coming out, which will probably be denied by all parties, will be the "excuse" for his performance.

According to David Kaplan, who has sauces, Coop and the Shark do not get along at all. Apparently their relationship is bad enough Shark was hoping to be traded at the deadline. What this suggests is the offers for Samardzija were about as good as he is pitching lately, as Coop is a KW guy and confirmed spy. Kap said due to this relationship, there is no way the Sox would try to sign him and no way Shark would stay. This is about the 3rd group I have heard who still think Shark can get $80 million, but even if that is incorrect supposedly Shark is so uncomfortable in a White Sox uniform, there is no chance he would take the QO. He also was th first White Sox pitcher since Jon Garland in 2004 to give up a grand slam and still get the win.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) Whoever decided it, he made a mistake. Eaton has a few bunt hits recently. That was probably his plan. As much as people b**** about Robin and bunting, he's normally very low on the list calling for bunts. In fact, one year, historically low.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 03:11 PM) Coaching staff changes? Yes!! But, we know they have been too loyal to the White Sox franchise and JR won't fire them. Maybe one, maybe Steverson. JR should be more like Steinbrenner. Firing everyone all the time. Wait, he seemed to hire Yankees.

The start of the drive to the playoffs.

Brady cheated and smashed a cell phone. Goodell wanted to try to make up for other poor decisions by suspending him 25% of a season. They used the NFL appeals process. That changed nothing. Went to court, were told to work something out. They didn't. Brady gets off with nothing but a legal bill. It's over. Move on. Play football. Watch him get hurt for a few games when he should have been sitting. I don't like Brady as much as the next guy, and the Patriots do seem to have a lot of scandal follow them, and I don't think that's jealousy or unluckiness. But at this point, enough with deflated footballs. Lets talk about how bad the Bears will be.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) Seems possible, but for his own interests, it's possible the whole year with the Sox has been a giant headache for him. I don't know that, but maybe he wants to get out of Dodge. I think you take away the things that don't matter, his ND football career, his long hair, his weak facial hair, you realize what is there is a guy who can throw pretty hard, but so many pitchers throw 95 these days, and on days his secondary pitches are working, is tough to face. If anything goes wrong, he's meat. He's usually around the plate.

The mid May signings don't seem to work out well for many.