Dick Allen

Here is the article with quotes from Hahn that would suggest they do plan to do something . Surprised Lip missed this. Not. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/153...-white-sox-fans

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 11:32 AM) I did find this headline at the White Sox web site for their latest story interesting: "Sox to rely on improvement of core in 2016 Club unlikely to make drastic changes, believes pieces are in place to compete." Who knows if this means anything for sure, but I will say if they do very little and actually believe this, another bad April start and U.S. Cellular Field will be a ghost town by June 2016. Mark I love how you love to start trouble with moaning. You obviously failed to mention you actually read the article which would make the title all wrong. The quotes were from players who thought the roster was good enough, not one quote from management. But if you can get this out there to moan, more power to you. Why don't you read the article and tell us why we should believe they will not make significant changes, I guess it wouldn't fall in line with your constant complaining. Moaning about everything, to borrow one on your lines, that's how Lip rolls.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 12:42 AM) Casuals wouldn't. But hardcore fans, such as the ones who post on this very messageboard would. Look, we all understand that in sports, all teams go through downward spirals at some point. It's inevitable as players get old, managers get burnt out and GMs lose touch. What's driving the hardcore fanbase crazy, is that everyone can see Robin is not an average manager. It's hard to argue if he's even mediocre. The fact that they even choose to keep him around and the reasoning why (loyalty) drives one bats*** crazy. Heck, you had a few people here last year, when Maddon became available that we need to fire Robin right away and hire him. You had some that thought that was crazy, but the Cubs did it themselves and look like geniuses. The fact is, if the team is losing, you aren't going to think anyone is a good manager. It is funny to read on various message boards how big of a mistake it was to fire Tony LaRussa so many years ago. I don't know if you were around then, but he was universally considered by the fan base just as big of a baseball idiot as Ventura is now.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) Yeah, not to hire him. Another Sox retread = yawn. Then why do people like Dave Martinez? He doesn't get hired. He's an ex White Sox.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 03:19 PM) No thanks. He seems pretty content to cash his checks and give token efforts This is how I feel. If LaRoche is so bad, he still only has one year left to be paid. Unless Boston is making it like the Angels made Josh Hamilton, I see no upside in acquiring a guy who doesn't seem too interested in playing.

Poor Rick Hahn. Only working for the organization about 10 years before he was elevated into the GM role, he had no idea what he was getting in to. He clearly has wanted to fire Ventura since he got the job. You can get that from, well I don't know where you can get that from, but you know it is true. Every move that is made that doesn't work out, you know he had nothing to do with it. It is all that idiot KW. You can tell by all the moves that do work out, Hahn is a man with a plan. KW obviously has nothing to do with those, and they were all Rick. I am sure he didn't see the evil KW or JR coming. Poor guy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:58 AM) Alomar has been mentioned as manager ready for years now. Heck he was one of the names that people kicked around when Ventura was hired. I thought he was the odds on favorite. They were talking him up as a future manager when he was still playing. If he does get hired, he had a house in Bucktown that he just sold a couple of weeks ago.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:52 AM) It's interesting. Alomar's resume doesn't really leap out to me as "ready to be a manager." Which is okay - he could learn on the job managing for Ventura while Ventura keeps the clubhouse wholesome. It would be good experience for Alomar's career, with the Sox or elsewhere. I've heard names like Acta mentioned - but he's a vetted, experienced manager, which could really cause Ventura to look over his shoulder. While I don't think Ventura knows what he's doing, having someone looking over your shoulder and wanting your job isn't healthy either. I like the Alomar approach. What does he need to be ready to be a manager? He has coaching experience. Bench coach experience. I would imagine all that he is missing is message board experience.

QUOTE (black jack @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Sucks. I'm up in McHenry county and it might as well be Alaska. WLS doesn't want to come in north of Lake Cook Rd. I think you can hear the show on line. The games....you are SOL.

So Lackey going to his mouth is why the Cuns scored 0 runs. God I hope they get swept. It will be bad enough hearing how the 2016 WS trophy is already sitting in Theo's office, but there seems to be excuses every time they lose, how something was unfair.

Apparently the Sox have talked to Sandy Alomar Jr. about the job.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 07:33 PM) Arrieta was trash with Baltimore. Cubs lucked out like the Sox did with Quintana. And Shark was merely a result of good timing for the Cubs (and luck that he didn't accept their $80 mil offer). While tanking for 5 years straight, they had an above average starter primed to get a huge free agent payday just before they were about to start getting good. And Arietta wasn't acquired for anyone on the 2012 Cubs. Apparently Theo failed.

The 2012 Cubs got Russell for Shark and Justin Grimm for Garza. Is there anything else?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) I noticed that he was really quiet when the other announcers were pointing out that the Astros young players were very good at being patient and taking pitches. He was pretty open about his ability not to walk. Carter walked 3 times in the WC game and someone pointed out to AJ he was the first player to walk 3 times in his playoff debut since Frank Thomas. AJ said 3 walks in a game is impressive. He's never done it, and it would take him a couple of months to walk 3 times.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) Yep, horrible career he's had. Oh well. Going food shopping this afternoon and yes, I'm wearing my Sox hat as I do 365 days a year. Does that make me a Sox fan or cub hater? Hopefully both. These Sox fan Cubs sympathizers are sickening. It's OK to dislike a team. Grow a pair. Cubs fans who hate the Sox? Who cares? And if some Cubs fan is bothered by my hatred, more power to me. My sister is a Cubs fan. She knows I hate them and isn't bothered by it at all.

It wouldn't have made sense for the Sox to sign this guy and take the penalties unless he was a sure thing. Considering his signing bonus, he is not. If they were over and not going to be able to get guys the next 2 years already, it made a ton of sense, but to blow 2 more signing periods over 1 guy , unless he is the next Andruw Jones, doesn't make much sense. Besides, they probably already have a couple of commitments for the next signing period. Hopefully, they go radically over one of these years. That is one stupid loophole.

So what, Sox fans hate the Cubs. Cubs fans hate the Sox. Go to Wrigley Field the next game and go to any stand outside selling hats and t shirts, and Sox Suck t-shirts can be had at any of them. But they don't care about the Sox. LMAO. The Giants/ Dodgers rivalry started when they were on the East Coast. It was fine to hate the other team then. Why is it not fine to hate the Cubs now? The Sox do play them every year in games that count. They have received a ton more attention for doing less the last 30 years. I encourage every White Sox fan to hate the Cubs. They still suck.

QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 01:31 PM) Another thing that they are bad at is eating a contract when the player is proven to be sour. LaRoche has no business putting on a sox uniform next year. Ownership knows that he is an automatic out and that there is NO way that ANY fan wants to see him up at the plate ever again. BUT because of the almighty dollar, they would rather pay someone and keep him, (and adding more grief in the fans) than eating a contract that doesn't work and showing the fans "hey we blew it, but we will try and rectify it" (giving the fans some sort of REAL hope for next season.) We went through this with Dunn.....and now because of purse strings, they are going to make us bear through this with LaRoche as well. Is eating his contract the whole answer? Heck No. But at least show the fans that after this past years fiasco (and along with The Cubs being successful) that the organization will do everything within its means to get this team to the playoffs. INCLUDING eating their own pride for the mistakes. Number one priority.....give some hope for the fans and Dump LaRoche. (I sure hope that whoever goes to Sox Fest makes it emphatically known that we do not want this guy back REGARDLESS of what is owed him). In short...I would really like to see this turn into a Sox positive by seeing what kind of (real oysters) the front office has during this off season. They just got done eating 2 years and $8.5 million of Jeff Keppinger.

If the Cubs can get by the Cards, they have a chance since Arietta should be lined up to pitch 2 games at least in the NLCS or WS. He's given up 4 earned runs his last 97 innings.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) How does it work then? This is my understanding of it. It's more concrete to me on guys coming up through a system and going through the process as opposed to coming over at a later age. He gets what any other guy with his numbers would get first year arb eligible. What I am not sure of, is the cut. I believe they couldn't cut his salary any more than 20% from the previous year, but if they are paying him $11 million or $1 million, his arb number, assuming it would be at least $11 million if he was making $1 million, would be the same if he was making $11 million.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) What does he make next season? Because the arbitration raise would be on-top of that. Edit: just checked. His salary is $11,667,000 in 2016 according to baseball reference. For 2017 it is $12,167,000. So his salary going through arb would be well over the $12,167,000. That has nothing to do with it.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) They only spent about 90 million and lost money? Either way, that’s bound to happen once in a while. My point though is the Sox are not the type of team that is going to go all out and spend big money to try to win it all. Something like the Tigers have been doing the past few years. That’s just not how they operate and I doubt it ever will be. According to Forbes, they made money in 2014, and lost something like $3 million in 2013, but supposedly were counting Abreu's signing bonus in that figure.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 08:45 AM) The Sox are bad at...being loyal to their fans. As an owner, the first people you should be loyal to our your fans. You should be wanting to put the best team out on the field at all times with the best possible coaching staff. As a partial season ticketholder, I can tell you, the Sox are very loyal to their fans. The perks for season ticketholders are as Larry David would say, "pretty, pretty, good". You get a big discount on the regular prices. You get basically 3 free parties. A pre season party with free food and drink in the ChiSox Bar and Grill. The season ticketholder party during the season, and something they started a couple of years ago, free game tickets and patio party passes to another game. When you are paying $11 a seat, these are some really nice perks. No team tries harder to sell tickets and has better deals than the White Sox. I think it would cost me more money for the same kind of package to see the Schaumburg Boomers. They send you free gifts. A couple of years ago it was an 83 jersey, last year it was a plaque sort of thing for Paulie. When they won the WS, it was a probably about a 10" high replica WS trophy. They obviously tried very hard to put a competitive team on the field, and spent the money. Sometimes it doesn't work out

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 08:10 AM) The Sox should really try unloading LaRoche on the Pirates Probably would have to eat at least half his money, but not a bad idea. I do think the Sox need to be talking to the Dodgers. Their ability to absorb contracts puts a lot of things on the table. If they will take Danks or LaRoche or both in another deal, let them trade him to Pittsburgh. Puig for Q, LaRoche, and Danks. Decline Alexei's option and think about how much $$$ you have to play with.

QUOTE (whitesoxjr27 @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 04:05 PM) This is the stuff that makes me want them to lose. I have nothing against the players. The fans just piss me off. I want to see them lose, but that shirt kind of makes me laugh. For,a fan base who has always said they couldn't care less about the White Sox, it is pretty easy to find Sox suck shirts at just about every vendor around the park.