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QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) having him under contract already will help in low-balling him on a manger's salary. The White Sox aren't so cheap. KW just listed a house he bought a couple of years ago for $3.75 million. He bought it for $3.25 million, which, according to Crain's included a low interest loan from the White Sox for $2.15 million. Work for the Sox, Uncle Jerry might buy you a mansion.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 09:04 AM) The Rangers never led in game 3 or game 4, many teams have blown 2-0 or 3-1 leads, so this wouldn't be as big of a deal. Plus, it's hard to top their game 6 collapse in the 2011 WS when they could have clinched. A 2-run lead with 2 outs in the 9th, another 2 run lead in the 10th. All could have been likely avoided if the manager makes a defensive replacement for Nelson Cruz. You blow a 2-0 series lead with the next 2 at home, that's a huge gag. Maybe they win in Toronto, but you have to lose 3 in a row including 2 at home, that would be disappointing. The Astros, if they lose, will be a very similar choke to that of the 2003 Cubs. Those ALDS winner hats and t-shirts were probably already in the dugout yesterday.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 08:47 AM) I actually said this to a coworker in 2003. She assumed that I would root for the Cubs since I was from Chicago. I told her that I didn't just want them to lose, but I wanted it to be in the most spectacular way possible. Then Bartman happened. What would be a bigger gag, the Cubs in 2003 or the Astros or Rangers this year? I would have to go with the Cubs since it was the NLCS as opposed to a division series. That was one spectacular meltdown, and they got to blame it on a fan. Beyond awesome.

The Sun Times had an article last week with quotes from Sandy. He has talked to the White Sox but nothing is concrete. At least at the time, he wasn't sure he was #1 on their list and he also wasn't sure he wanted to leave the Tribe.

Murphy makes every current White Sox look like a gold glover. He is beyond horrible defensively.

Maybe it has something to do with 0-6 in 6 postseason starts.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) 59: One definition of insanity is doing the same failing thing over and over again and expecting it to work. You bring in vets to fill holes when you are ready to contend. The Sox in my opinion are not ready to contend, there are still far to many major black holes in this lineup and on the team. Let me ask one simple question, why would you want the Sox to get into the same position again that Hahn was trying to dig them out of in 2013? Signing expensive guys (even assuming someone like Zobrist would even WANT to play for the Sox - which is a mighty big assumption) to deals when they are in their 30's is another recipe for disaster. What you are suggesting is a "Kenny Williams special" and history shows that has worked out SO WELL for this franchise since the start of the 2007 season hasn't it? They need young talent (which is hard to get granted) not going back to the same philosophy that hasn't worked. I repeat, I'd rather lose with kids who maybe...just maybe have an upside then lose with guys who simply are not going to get better and don't solve the major issues on this club. Like Mark Gonzales told me one time, the absolute worst position a team can be in is to have a bunch of declining guys on the roster with big deals who are unmotivated. I'd rather not have the Sox go back to that place...no thank you. But then again obviously as a Sox historian I have no idea what I'm talking about. LOL! Mark Why don't you mention the high priced unmotivated players the White Sox have employed the last 15 years.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) "Likely" means he's just guessing. Perhaps, but whenever the Earth's rotation is brought into the discussion about a FG that hit an upright and went through, it's a positive.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) OK guys, I appreciate the enthusiasm, but come on. They're not beating good teams. And they're doing so on quite a bit of luck. Yes, Cutler made some great throws, but those are throws that connect 1 out of 10 times. And he got two of them in close succession. And they were two, late, come from behind victories. Tanking and getting the best draft pick possible is still the play here. Going 8-8 and getting the 15th pick is not good long term. I think anyone has to be encouraged by the defense. KC isn't the greatest, but the defense only gave up 10 points, which last year, De Lasalle High School seemingly could have scored vs. the Bears. If they had their top 3 receivers, these games they are barely winning vs. not so good teams, probably aren't as close. Getting some of these guys some confidence can go a lot farther than picking 15th vs. picking 3rd. I doubt they finish 8-8, and I'm sure Cutler will be public enemy #1 again at some point, but playing a solid game IMO is better for the future than the potential drop in draft position. Face it, they aren't playing with their top pick this year.

And kudos to Terry Bradshaw for his rant against Greg Hardy and Jerry Jones.

Science. This guy is pretty awesome Neil deGrasse Tyson ✔ ‎@neiltyson Today's @Bengals winning OT field goal was likely enabled by a 1/3-in deflection to the right, caused by Earth’s Rotation. 3:48 PM - 11 Oct 2015 4,666 4,666 Retweets 5,004 5,004 favorites

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 11:10 PM) You ought to do us all a favor and take your own advice and go cheer for another team - a successful one, one that wins enough games to make it into the postseason more than once a decade. That way you'd be able to frequent a fan message board that has the privilege of spending their time talking about and enjoying the success of their team vs. always having to express their frustration over continued failure. Free yourself of all of this "moaning" and "complaining" about the Sox organization's ongoing ineptitude. You'd probably be much happier if you did. Says the guy who said he was going to switch teams but decided to stay so he can whine each day about Jerry Reinsdorf. The team won 1 playoff game between 1960 and 1992, and 2 playoff games between 1960 and 2004, and people are whining that now is the worst stretch ever. The White Sox are the worst organization. Every move they make they should have done the opposite.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 05:44 PM) For those who may not understand the context please allow me to explain. The time period from 2007 through 2015 has netted the Sox six losing seasons in nine years. From that historical standpoint it is the worst stretch of baseball for the franchise since 1968 through 1980. That time period resulted in two winning seasons, one .500 season and nine losing seasons. I trust this will clear up the confusion. The late 80's and the late 90's have nothing on right now as far as sustained poor baseball results. The late 80's had four losing seasons in a row, that's all. The late 90's had four losing seasons in five years, that's all. Both of those stretches also had the Sox then going on some very good periods...something very hard to imagine at this point in time. Mark Actually 5 out of 6, and no postseason games from 1984-1992. 0

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 05:07 PM) They averaged 72.25 wins over those 4 years. Over the last 3, we've averaged 70.666667. "We should continue on the path we're on now. Stay the course, we're right there! After all, if we didn't go all-in, we might wind up with a losing skid as bad as the late 1980s." How many have they averaged over the last 4? A little over 74. Seems like the stretch I mentioned would be worse unless you need more cherry picking for complaining"s sake. You are already on record as saying they will be bad the rest of the decade.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 04:40 PM) We'll see what happens but given the realistic chance season ticket sales are going to drop perhaps dramatically the Sox probably won't have as much money to throw away on guys in their 30's heading downhill. Honestly I don't see how they can go about getting the talent they need other than trying to sign some guys and hope and maybe swing a deal. They still don't have enough young major league ready talent in the minors to either replace the guys they deal or somehow get younger talent who may be ready to play. I think they are between a rock and a hard place and don't really know yet what the plan is, despite Kenny assuring everyone he has one. The proof is in the pudding, we'll see, but the bottom line is the same folks who got the Sox into this mess are supposedly the ones going to get them out of it. Hate being so negative but that's what you get when the franchise is going through their worst period of baseball record wise since 1968-1980. Win games (a lot of them) and everything is solved from attendance to fan reaction to advertising and such. Right now the record shows the Sox seem incapable of doing this. Mark How was 1986-1989?

Here is the article with quotes from Hahn that would suggest they do plan to do something . Surprised Lip missed this. Not. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/153...-white-sox-fans

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 11:32 AM) I did find this headline at the White Sox web site for their latest story interesting: "Sox to rely on improvement of core in 2016 Club unlikely to make drastic changes, believes pieces are in place to compete." Who knows if this means anything for sure, but I will say if they do very little and actually believe this, another bad April start and U.S. Cellular Field will be a ghost town by June 2016. Mark I love how you love to start trouble with moaning. You obviously failed to mention you actually read the article which would make the title all wrong. The quotes were from players who thought the roster was good enough, not one quote from management. But if you can get this out there to moan, more power to you. Why don't you read the article and tell us why we should believe they will not make significant changes, I guess it wouldn't fall in line with your constant complaining. Moaning about everything, to borrow one on your lines, that's how Lip rolls.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 12:42 AM) Casuals wouldn't. But hardcore fans, such as the ones who post on this very messageboard would. Look, we all understand that in sports, all teams go through downward spirals at some point. It's inevitable as players get old, managers get burnt out and GMs lose touch. What's driving the hardcore fanbase crazy, is that everyone can see Robin is not an average manager. It's hard to argue if he's even mediocre. The fact that they even choose to keep him around and the reasoning why (loyalty) drives one bats*** crazy. Heck, you had a few people here last year, when Maddon became available that we need to fire Robin right away and hire him. You had some that thought that was crazy, but the Cubs did it themselves and look like geniuses. The fact is, if the team is losing, you aren't going to think anyone is a good manager. It is funny to read on various message boards how big of a mistake it was to fire Tony LaRussa so many years ago. I don't know if you were around then, but he was universally considered by the fan base just as big of a baseball idiot as Ventura is now.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) Yeah, not to hire him. Another Sox retread = yawn. Then why do people like Dave Martinez? He doesn't get hired. He's an ex White Sox.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 03:19 PM) No thanks. He seems pretty content to cash his checks and give token efforts This is how I feel. If LaRoche is so bad, he still only has one year left to be paid. Unless Boston is making it like the Angels made Josh Hamilton, I see no upside in acquiring a guy who doesn't seem too interested in playing.

Poor Rick Hahn. Only working for the organization about 10 years before he was elevated into the GM role, he had no idea what he was getting in to. He clearly has wanted to fire Ventura since he got the job. You can get that from, well I don't know where you can get that from, but you know it is true. Every move that is made that doesn't work out, you know he had nothing to do with it. It is all that idiot KW. You can tell by all the moves that do work out, Hahn is a man with a plan. KW obviously has nothing to do with those, and they were all Rick. I am sure he didn't see the evil KW or JR coming. Poor guy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:58 AM) Alomar has been mentioned as manager ready for years now. Heck he was one of the names that people kicked around when Ventura was hired. I thought he was the odds on favorite. They were talking him up as a future manager when he was still playing. If he does get hired, he had a house in Bucktown that he just sold a couple of weeks ago.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:52 AM) It's interesting. Alomar's resume doesn't really leap out to me as "ready to be a manager." Which is okay - he could learn on the job managing for Ventura while Ventura keeps the clubhouse wholesome. It would be good experience for Alomar's career, with the Sox or elsewhere. I've heard names like Acta mentioned - but he's a vetted, experienced manager, which could really cause Ventura to look over his shoulder. While I don't think Ventura knows what he's doing, having someone looking over your shoulder and wanting your job isn't healthy either. I like the Alomar approach. What does he need to be ready to be a manager? He has coaching experience. Bench coach experience. I would imagine all that he is missing is message board experience.

QUOTE (black jack @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Sucks. I'm up in McHenry county and it might as well be Alaska. WLS doesn't want to come in north of Lake Cook Rd. I think you can hear the show on line. The games....you are SOL.

So Lackey going to his mouth is why the Cuns scored 0 runs. God I hope they get swept. It will be bad enough hearing how the 2016 WS trophy is already sitting in Theo's office, but there seems to be excuses every time they lose, how something was unfair.