Dick Allen

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:14 PM) That would be a complete falsehood, Kind Sir. I have never, ever said anything of the sort. This is the second time you've accused me of saying something I didn't, most recently some silliness about me once saying I was going to take my business to the north side of town. That, too, gets filed in the "I have never, ever" category. You ought to really be sure of what you are saying before you say it. This is starting to get a bit reckless on your part. Just sayin'! Yes you did. You said they have had 1 exciting season in 35 years. And you have said you were going to give up your fan card. I guess you find whining about JR more attractive than rooting for a winning team.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:04 PM) I'll take Option C, which you didn't offer up but I'm taking it anyway, which is to have that wonderful WS championship experience of '05, AND take advantage of the new playoff system of recent years and maybe have had 2-3 more playoff appearances since '05 as well. Now I'm not greedy, mind you - I'm not saying I expected 2-3 more WS championships. That would, of course, be silly. But just step into that postseason more frequently than we have so we can have some freakin' FUN, for chrissakes. It is NOT fun to have to watch as many meaningless games in our empty ballpark in September and then NONE in October like we've had to do for practically the last decade. So it's not an either/or proposition, the Sox' experience of the past decade vs. that of the Tigers. I'll take the '05 experience, with just a little more white sock waving opportunities in October than we've been provided in the last decade. I don't think that's too much to ask! Says the guy who once posted the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) I'm inclined to agree, I think people overrate titles, especially in a sport as random as baseball. The Tigers/White Sox question is a good one, and since we've been so starved for baseball championships in this city people would lean towards the title, but in most cases I'd lean towards the Tigers here. For another example, in my opinion the Braves making the playoffs 14 years in a row and only having 1 title to show for it >>>>>>>> Marlins winning 2 titles randomly and sucking the rest of the time. But the question included, you know you weren't going to win. I understand multiple playoff appearances. I get that, but if you get swept out of the first round, or you're like the Pirates and make it 3 times in a row but lose 3-2 the first time and the 2 WC games the next time, isn't a title and a 90 win, and 85 win and 88 win season with no playoffs, and another playoff appearance bowing out in 4 games, far better? I think the whiners have taken over and pretty much are starting to brainwash everyone into think the White Sox have lost 100 games a year the last decade. They have had 4 or 5 decent seasons. Sure, the past 3 have been difficult, but they seem to be on a better track. A lot of stuff went wrong this past year. I love that they aren't blaming the manager. Blaming players is the fastest way to get things to change.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) How about I choose both? A WS win and a sustained run of success? This WS title is gonna end up being a curse to the franchise with fans thinking like you. If winning a WS is a curse, I'll take the curse. As I pointed out, in a couple of weeks, there still will be 23 teams that haven't won a WS since the White Sox did.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) You ignored the rest of my post, but that's ok. I don't disagree that more money is a good thing. I just realize they already have more than enough to be a good franchise. It depends. Money changes the way you operate. Andrew Friedman seems to be a different type of deal maker with the Dodgers than he was with the Rays. He can throw money everywhere and if it doesn't work out, no big deal. I think the biggest advantage with money vs. small market is not necessarily being able to sign the $200 million guys. IMO, it is the ability to hang on to your guys. The teams in perpetual rebuilding develop guys, then they get good so they can't pay them, so they are traded and they have to start the cycle again. That's why I don't understand the people complaining about it being 7 years since the Sox were last in the playoffs, so trade Chris Sale. That suggests waiting another 7.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) the WS win.... So this regime is at least better than Detroit's . Since the White Sox last won the WS, the only other organizations to win the WS are: Boston St. Louis San Francisco NY Yankees Philadelphia 24 other organizations have a WS title drought longer than the White Sox. It will be 23 in a few weeks.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) It may be unrealistic to "expect" the owner to sell (sadly enough), but it's certainly not unrealistic to "want" him to sell, because believe you me, we need the "post Reinsdorf" era to begin sooner rather than later. 35 years of this ownership, whether you look at the last ten years, the first ten years, or whatever - enough is enough! The organization needs a bold new strategy and vision, because what's been in place is not working, and I don't think after 35 years that Mr. Reinsdorf is capable at this point of doing anything much differently than what he has been doing. Maybe I'm wrong, and if he cares to prove me wrong, I'm certainly open to it, but I don't see that happening. As for your second comment about needing to win vs. just finding baseball "worth watching", well, we have been watching, at least the people who frequent this site. We've been watching for a long time now. Despite the less-than-desirable product we've been presented with for quite some time, we still find it worth watching. Why? Because through it all, we remain Sox fans, through and through. So we are watching. Now the question is, is it too much to ask to sprinkle in a little more winning than has been the case for the past ten years? Is it too much to ask for the opportunity to wave "white socks" like a crazy person at U.S. Cellular Field in mid-October, cheering madly for the team we love, at least more frequently than one or two games per decade? That is the ask here. For those who find this request some form of "whining" or "complaining" or "moaning" or whatever, so be it. Call it what you want. But that's what true White Sox fans crave for their ballclub - success! And by golly, we are not going to stop talking about it until we get it!! If in October of 2005, you had the choice of the White Sox winning the WS and having the next decade go like it has gone, or losing the WS and duplicating the Tigers since then with a WS appearance, and plenty of playoff appearances, but no wins, what do you choose?

Is anyone else as sick of Eddie Vedder as I am?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) As a throw in as part of a larger deal depending on what the pieces are. Mark 2014 AA-AAA .316/.376/.467 2015 AAA .315/.377/.464 b**** and moan the Sox can't develop hitters, then get this guy who does that and runs like the wind, and use him as a "throw in". Yeah, that makes sense.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) That's what it boils down to. Parent and Baines gone, but look, we're changing things up! What's sad is there is a portion of the fanbase they're fooling in doing so, but I think the majority of us know it is nothing more than scapegoating, as you said. They are changing things up. They aren't trying to fool anyone. What they need really is not a better bench coach or assistant hitting coach, they need better players.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Tim Anderson's K to BB rate for AA is alarming when you project him to the Majors. I know he's new to baseball, and the Sox like those type of toolsy athlete types, but I have reservations as to Anderson being all he can be in the Majors. 114 K to 24 walks. 125 games played. He doesn't have the power to hit like that either. If they trade him, what would they get back is the real question. What would it matter if he isn't going to be anything anyway?

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) So yeah, what would Sale get? Exactly my point. Look at the list of prospects Boston offered Seattle for King Felix, and gave them their choice of 5. While Seattle hasn't won anything since, they were far better off saying no. I don't understand why people want to get rid of stars for prospects. You must love when the Sox lose.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) Great question. The Jerry loyalty clause? McEwing came up from Charlotte, no? I don't have an answer. Why was Parent expendable other than not being able to speak Spanish? They couldn't find another role for him in the organization? Did he want one? All great questions. I liked the Steverson hire when they made it. Based on the results, either he's bad at his job or they don't listen to him. They're not blaming him for the lack of getting on base, so it if isn't his fault, whose is it? If the players are professional and not accountable for their production why do you pay a hitting coach? Again, great question. No idea why he's still here. Whoever becomes manager, you get Don Cooper. I don't have an answer for that either. I know that Jeff Samardzija wasn't great but also wasn't as bad until he started throwing under Cooper. It doesn't really matter who they hire as manager. If he can't bring in his own guys and has to keep Cooper, it matters little. The point is Jerry loves his kids. We know this. The organization needs a serious cleansing from top to bottom. If we're going to live off of one championship that was ten years ago, cool. Bring in people who know what they're doing so we can win more. There are people all over the game that know the information, how to use it and can at least attempt to put the team in position to be good and stay good. We're seeing nothing but business as usual to this point. Look outside of your own circle and actually interview people for these jobs. What it shows you is he wasn't fired because he didn't play for the White Sox. It shows you he isn't coming back because it was convenient to let go of the guy who didn't have a contract for next year. If he had one and McEwing or Steverson didn't, one of those guys would have been launched. I think though, they anticipated a possibility of a needed scapegoat years ago, and had the bench coach's contract expire earlier than the others.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) I realize that, but it doesn't mean he was less expendable. Harold Baines got to "step down" and take some bulls*** ambassador role or something, right? Parent? Gone. Theo hiring Jed in the front office is one thing. The whole reason they're there in the first place was due to an ownership change. My saving thought with Alomar is he was more Cleveland than Chicago and played there when they were winning. That supersedes his White Sox tenure. Joe McEwing never played for the White Sox. Todd Steverson never played for the White Sox. Don Cooper never played for the White Sox. Why weren't they fired?

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 09:19 AM) They have to ask themselves who their assets are. I would say Abreu, Sale, Quintana and Rodon. They have to decide are they closer to a World Series with these guys or will they get closer by trading any of them to get assets in return? Their farm system is weak, let's be honest. Tim Anderson is the prize and is K to BB rate in AA doesn't translate well to the Majors. He's another toolsy athlete they want to transform into a baseball player. We know how that story ends, Sox fans. The only guy I see them moving is Quintana, and that's only because Hahn said a few months ago they will need to trade a position of strength to help in areas of weakness. They have some good, young pitching with friendly contracts. They have no infielders who can hit. Quintana is the odd man out. They won't trade Sale, Abreu or Rodon. Quintana will get you a good return, but he won't reboot your system the way Sale would. Look at what the Cubs got for Garza and what the Phillies got for Hamels. Chris Sale would yield a bounty of young prospects that could get you going again. You need not an ace pitcher when you're losing 90 games a year. They've wasted all Sale has done by being incredibly poor around him. Garza netted the Cubs Justin Grimm, Carl Edwards and Mike Olt. Not exactly earthshattering or franchise changing. He also cost them Chris Archer.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) That's bulls*** and you know it. Why is it BS? If you assume he will be a bust, trading him makes a ton of sense.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Correct. That's why firing Mark Parent is nothing more than P.R. junk. He was expendable because he never played for the White Sox and doesn't really do anything, including speak Spanish. So hire Sandy Alomar Jr. because he played 265 games with the club. I actually think it is a good move, but the only reason it is happening is because he played for the club. Bottom line. Makes me wonder how Parent got hired in the first place, to be honest. He didn't get fired because he never played for the White Sox. I do agree, it was pretty much a PR move, and a move made because his was the contract that was up. It does seem strange, all the other contracts including Robin's went through next year. I wonder why Parent's did not? Maybe he as the bench coach was identified as the potential scapegoat a couple of years ago. As for Sandy or anyone else, it would seem with a staff that are all entering their final seasons under contract, you would be gambling on either a big season or a promise of getting the job if things didn't go well to take a job. I thought Ibanez, who has been mentioned as a possibility, could be added in Harold's place, but the more I think about it, the less likely it seems to me. This guy would probably also have to be a bench coach candidate. Why would you take an assistant hitting coach position with a lame duck staff if you are a guy who is interviewing for managerial jobs? He probably gets paid pretty well on Fox. Most teams hire guys they are familiar with, and a lot of times it means ex-players. Theo hired Hoyer to be the GM because he worked with him in Boston. The fact is, the Sox know Sandy pretty well, better than probably any team other than the Indians, and maybe the Braves because of John Hart.

If good players go bad when they are on the banner, but some s***ty players on there. Maybe they will become good. Flowers, Avi, maybe even Matt Davidson.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:45 AM) This board is going to be ten years of misery. The Cubs are going to win for a long time. They're way ahead of schedule. I think we have heard this before.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) I shot 220, 233 & 234 last night for a 687 series. Kicking myself for missing a few really easy spares. Could've easily had a 700 series had I converted one or two of them. It's my first 600 series of the year though, so I'm happy about that. My average jumped from 180 to 186. I'd like to get it up above 190 at least. Do you have 10 lb. balls?

Cubs are 7-0 vs. the Mets this year. I think the Angels manhandled the Sox during the 2005 regular season.

Hopefully Andrus is able to shake this off, and doesn't let it ruin his career or worse.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 06:35 PM) Can someone explain Buehrle's ejection? I just got home. They said he went on the field which is a no no for guys not on the roster.

Blow a 2-0 series lead, the last with 3 consecutive errors. What a choke job. I guess they will be hitting a lot of fungos next spring.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) Speaking of wooing, is Ronnie Woo Woo still around? He lives in a retirement home on LaSalle and Division. I see him around every so often in full Cubs uniform. I haven't seen him in a couple of weeks. He wears a helmet to funerals.