Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 09:44 AM) By this same definition, Theo Epstein and Jeffrey Luhnow with the Astros should both be fired. They've done nothing differently than build the best farm system in baseball, something Moore and the Royals did 5 years ago. Basically, the only players that the Royals/Moore inherited were Alex Gordon and Billy Butler. (Not to mention the fact that they had to go through a complete rebuilding process of Alex Gordon because of the position change to LF, mostly through the help of former White Sox OF Rusty Kuntz). Then you had Zach Greinke (who they traded for Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain). And that was basically it. Ever heard of Jeff Austin, Kyle Snyder, Mike Stodolka, Colt Griffin and Chris Lubanski? All of them were Top 10 draft picks from previous GM's that flopped. He also has had 6 top 8 picks as a GM. And Moore totally flopped for 6 straight 90 loss seasons. Even the 2014 White Sox didn't lose 90 games and think how horrible you think they are now and how horrible you have pegged their future. The FACT is the Royals got lucky winning the WC game, now they are some sort of model. Bubba Starling says hi.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 09:42 AM) Good. Anyone think Robin should mess around with the order a bit this series? No. They are starting to hit, and really haven't had their full line up in for a little bit with Avi being out, then Abreu.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) Art Stewart was responsible for Bo Jackson. My mistake. Goldis drafted Bo for California in 1985. He didn't sign.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 08:52 AM) exactly, first Himes, who had a great eye on talent, then Schuler and then Williams. Al Goldis was the scouting director, and he has had a nice record drafting players. Not just his brief stint with the White Sox which got him McDowell, Ventura, Thomas, Fernandez, he also drafted Durham, signed Magglio. When he went to the Cubs, Kerry Wood. I think he was with KC when the got Bo. Was with the Angels when the drafted Devon White and Dante Bichette, and was instrumental in the Sox acquiring Roberto Hernandez as an Angels farmhand for junk. He and Himes were about as successful a duo as can be with the most limited budget in baseball. The 1990 Sox won 94 or 95 games with the lowest payroll in baseball. I think Adam LaRoche alone makes more money this year than that team made total.

Dayton Moore author. If KW wrote a book on how to judge players, many here would laugh. Yet, Dayton Moore's Royals made the WC last year now he's a genius. He has been KC's GM since June of 2006. The Royals record: 2007 69-93 2008 75-87 2009 65-97 2010 67-95 2011 71-91 2012 72-90 2013 86-76 2014 89-73 Not really all that impressive. First 6 full seasons lost 90 + each time.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 31, 2015 -> 07:00 PM) I have never walked around the southside so I am not sure how far those places are from the stadium and if it is safe to walk in those areas to and from the stadium at night Its nothing to worry about. Safer than Wrigley during the day. Cork and Kerry is probably the closest, about 2 blocks north. Schallers is on Halsted about 4 blocks west and a block or 2 south. If you are early enough they actually have a lot to park in. Shinocks is a couple blocjpks east and closer to the park than Schallers.

Or you could park a little closer by Shinnocks or the place that used to be jimbo's and ask them for a parking pass, and park on the street.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 31, 2015 -> 06:47 PM) It wasn't the most impressive complete game shutout ever, but he really did pitch a nice ballgame. If he pitched like this again, he'd probably give up a couple of runs. If he had bad luck, he could have given up 3 or 4. Whatever his FIP or XFIP was today doesn't matter. 6-0 is all that matters, and really it might be the best all around game the team has played this season. 4-4 on this trip without Abreu for 2 1/2 games. With Robertson blowing 2 saves including losing a lay up,, now with Samardjiza, Sale and Rodon pitching against Texas, with a bullpen totally rested. I don't think many if any thought this wiuld be possible a week ago.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 31, 2015 -> 06:23 PM) Comment was directed to those who cannot understand why everyone does not love Danks. Yes he got the win good for him. I love it when he starts and gets bombed the Danks lovers are nowhere to be found, he gets a win then guys are negative for not kissing his ass. So you love when Danks gets bombed. No one said kiss his ass. But you could acknowledge he pitched pretty well today, and the team hit pretty well today, and they ran the bases pretty well today, and they played defense pretty well today instead you want to focus on Danks will never do that again. He was just lucky.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 31, 2015 -> 05:37 PM) I like what Rotoworld had to say for all the Danks lovers today. John Danks pitched a complete game shutout in Sunday's 6-0 win over the Astros. Gather 'round children, there's a tale to be told here. We might not see John Danks' line against the Astros again this season. Danks allowed 10 hits--including five for extra bases--without letting a run score. The southpaw also struck out six while walking just one. He ended the game the way he lived it: By allowing a double to Evan Gattis and walking Chris Carter before magically escaping trouble. While Danks and his owners will certainly take the win here, we're going to wager that the next time he allows 10 hits, the scoreboard isn't going to be filled up with zeroes. Sox win 6-0. Danks wins goes 9 saves the bullpen and you still have to look for a negative? Can't you just enjoy the win? The team played great today.

Twins all alone in 1st place.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 31, 2015 -> 03:59 PM) There's still reason to be pissed about the allocation of money on the bench. If you were going to sign Beckham to take Bonifacio's principal role then why sign Bonifacio? I'd rather be able to use those funds elsewhere than waste it on one or the other. There were suggestions for players that would have been worse, at least until this point. While many complain about Danks and Noesi, what if they signed Masterson? . It is a very long season. I think Bonifacio's role will grow.

Bad baserunning again. It isn't just the White Sox.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 31, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) I have started counting the number of times Hawk talks over Stone during the game. It's usually at least once per inning. Stone is too nice of a guy to stop him. Hawk needs to go, ASAP. The reality is Hawk is a much nicer person than Stone.

Dumb baserunning. Great relay.

Out

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 31, 2015 -> 01:23 PM) He is missing this road trip due to having a "minor operation" that they haven't elaborated on. Barring setbacks or any other news we expect him back when they get back to Chicago at last update. Chuck Swirsky, bulls radio guy, is subbing on this road trip. Eye surgery.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 31, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) Channeling my inner Dick Allen, the Sox lineup in the 2008 playoffs featured zero players the White Sox drafted. Alexei was the only player that had played only for the Sox. I read something yesterday where they are crying in Boston hoping this new guy they called up is goodbecause it has been since 2007 they have brought up a sarting pitcher that has been good for them. And that includes years with the great Theo in charge.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) The irony is that being mediocre year after year for a decade is much worse than rebuilding. The issue isn't rebuilding...it's finding someone we can actually trust to develop young players, especially position players. How can we rebuild when we can't even successfully produce one player over a full decade...unless you want to "credit" someone for Gordon Beckham? Or Marcus Semien...but would Marcus have a 750-800 ops if still around? Doubtful. It's not about being impatient with young players and giving them time to develop. It's about being stuck with players like Beckham and Flowers year after year...players who don't improve and often regress over time. If Carlos Sanchez or Conor Gillaspie had the ability to be Top Ten players at their position (like a Joe Crede)...sure, but they max out at 15-18 and that's absolute ceiling if everything goes perfectly like with Conor last year. More than likely, they're botton third guys and you can only have 2-3 in your line-up like that, not 5-6. Obviously, that's counting on Eaton and Avi, and the jury's still out on those two. If the White Sox fans had Bryant, Russell, Soler, Baez and Schwarber to cheer for...at least they would be excited like Sox fans when Ventura, Sosa, One Dog and Thomas came up...or later when Durham, Magglio, C-Lee, Cameron/Konerko, Singleton, Rowand and Crede debuted. People here couldn't wait for AJ to leave. Flowers defense alone was going to make him more valuable than AJ ever was. People loved Sanchez, and giving him 2 weeks of AB befor pulling the plug is silly. Just like the dump Alexei movement. Call Tim Anderson up this year or the frist couple of months of next, he will be seen as a guy who cannot hit or field.

QUOTE (MDWhiteSoxFan @ May 31, 2015 -> 09:21 AM) Haha at people wishing Gordon Beckham is a starter now. How opinions change so quick. They were pissed he was signed, and even more pissed he made the team out of sprimg training.

Considering how a lot of people can't take 2 weeks of Carlos Sanchez struggling, even though there was a walk off hit in there, it pretty much answers the question why a total teardown and rebuild will never happen

QUOTE (harkness @ May 31, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) Yeah were just complaining about this last game.... not the fact that were the 2nd to worst offensive team in the MLB.... You are the only one focused on last game. The offense had been coming around the last 4 or 5 games, but from your comments in the game thread it appears you have no idea the guy the Sox faced yesterday has been one of the best pitchers in baseball this year, and seemed to forget the Sox best hitter was not playing. And of course what would any change of player personnel do? You have already blamed the manager for the offense.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 31, 2015 -> 08:42 AM) The idea is to get more pop out of 3B, Beckham moved over to second and Gillaspie on the bench when the Sox face lefties. I definitely get your points though and agree. Davidson would clearly be a desperation move but with the lack of production coming from third and second bases I guess desperate ideas are bound to pop up. Lol. For now, with what the Sox have to work with, the best idea might be to play Beckham at second more since nobody has stepped up and claimed the position. Beckham can still play 3B against lefties. Honestly, I think I'm just now starting to realize just how big the holes are at 2B/3B and the lack of options the Sox have to fill those holes. I'm scratching my ass over here. And in a week or two there will he cries about how Beckham needs to be replaced. This site is bi polar. Prospects coming up is a good thing, except if they are normal rookies and struggle their first few weeks. Then, they are trash. Ride it out with Sanchez and Johnson. The Sox lost to the ERA leader in the AL yesterday without their best hitter available. They aren't the first team not to put up much offense vs. him. Melky is starting to hit some balls hard again. Get Abreu back with Avi, get something out of the catchers, get Eaton to forget he has hit 2 homers recently, and the offense should bounce back.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 31, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) He is also hitting .258 with 6HR in 66 at bats against left handed pitchers in AAA. How often do the Sox face a lefty, and what are the odds Davidson doesn't have a drop off movimg up a level? The guy is a striekout machine.

Sounds like a home game when the Hawks score