Texsox

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 01:47 PM) That elephant will be standing on the dias as they make their acceptance speeches. Deserved but slightly unfair, if that makes sense.

QUOTE(G&T @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 01:41 PM) That's that the only Leinys I can drink, but no, it is not true to any style of beer. I have a close friend who will love it.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 01:35 PM) I agree on one point. Based on the way things stand today, Bonds and Clemens will get in eventually. And I do not have a problem with that, but I would like some mention of them playing in the "steroid era".

After I tried it a second time, I liked it. Once I decided it wasn't beer.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 09:50 AM) http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?...338540894115504 This was a slickdeal Tex, but it went out of stock fast. Maybe you can find a local one that has it in stock...I'm not sure if they'll honor their online price though. EDIT: BACK IN STOCK>>>HURRY IF YOU WANT IT Thank you, got it.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 08:01 AM) I can kind of relate to what Schilling is saying here. I want Giambi to give Frank his MVP award.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 08:01 AM) I can kind of relate to what Schilling is saying here. I want Giambi to give Frank his MVP award.

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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 01:03 AM) Schilling is that he actually has the balls to call out Clemens. Shilling doesn't have to step into the batter's box against Clemens.

I love stuff like this, both guys know it's b.s. but it's fun copy. Almost like WWF

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 09:47 PM) Youv'e got to remember the majority of baseball who use these performance enhancing drugs are using it to maintain performance over the long season. The reason that bonds hits the home runs isn't necessarily that he has increased strength and the ball goes further but that he can maintain the strength over the season and he can hit them more consistently over time. So to expect more strikeouts would be a function of always trying to swing for the fences not necessarily from the drugs. Therefore attempting to "adjust" stats would not be accurate. This concept is why many pitchers have used it. It allows them to stay strong over the season and not have a let down. Especially relief pitchers who can come in more often and pitch at their highest level. And that is why it will be necessary to adjust their stats, at least in the mind of the voters, when electing these guys. They are performance enhancing, they would not have taken them just for the shrunken testicles and pimples.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 08:38 PM) Texsox, I think what you said is absolutely fair. If a guy was borderline, then maybe steroid use is what puts them in the no column. But I dont think that clear HOF players should be kept out. clear? I love the subtle humor I think some people will place that border pretty far up the line.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 08:28 PM) Being a bad person shouldn't keep you out of the HOF. Breaking the rules to a severe enough degree should. Canseco if you deem his number worthy should get in. Steroids weren't against the rules. Someone who has been proven to break the rules Bonds, Palmeiro should have some skeptics. It's in the eye of the voter if they decide to keep them out. My personal opinion stands if you've used them I would keep them out. I would look at what they accomplished with steroids and downgrade their stats based on a little research of their height/weight and go from there. Even if it is decided they didn't break any rules, they used steroids, it enhanced their performance, and to compare them to their non juicing peers, requires some thought and adjustment. So if I now place Palmeiro in the close but no cigar category like McGruff, I think it is defensible. I wouldn't keep them out based on steroids, but I think it is fair to expect better power numbers, more strike outs, etc. then their non juicing peers.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) I understand the analogy. The problem is that you keep pointing to things that are both illegal. It was legal for the players to use the cream and HGH. It was illegal for the players to doctor balls. The best example I can think of is: Its not a crime to drink alcohol while your pregnant. It is a crime to drink alcohol when your under 21. The govt cant punish you harder for the first when its not even against the law... And thats not to say people cant disagree with the govt or baseball, just they are the ones who make the rules, and we unfortunately have to live by it. I was just commenting on the structure of the debate and answering the why Gaylord Perry and not Bonds question. And I don't even think it matters if they broke the rules or not in the HoF debate. If the Hall voters decide that 700 steroid enhanced home runs are not hall worthy, that perhaps 850 would be a hall worthy number, that would be an interesting debate. Certainly comparing Bonds to other non steroid player would be unfair, a judgment has to be made regarding his stats. I think it would be very wrong to, for example, compare Palmeiro's steroid home run total to Reggie Jackson's non steroid. So just saying Jackson is in with 563 so Palmeiro should be in with 569 doesn't make sense to me. So is Palmeiro's totals to Frank Thomas 513 or Ernie Banks 512? Perhaps Lou Gehrig's 493.

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QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 11:27 AM) Texsox, My scale is this: If some things are explicitly banned (doctoring a baseball), why are they being let off lighter than things that were not banned? How is it cheating, if it wasnt against the rules? I refer back to my post and the speeding analogy. We'll look the other way when someone speeds 5mph over or perhaps steals a couple pens from work. Speed 40mph over or steal $1,000 from the cash register and you have a different reaction. For some people doctoring the ball is slipping just past the speed limit or pocketing a pen and steroids is the 40 mph and $1000

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 04:05 PM) uh oh. I wonder if they'll prosecute. Stupidly written law though. By that law, when they were 18 and 15, it was OK... but now at 19 and 16, its not. It is impossible to write a law that nails the guilty without looking stupid when the couple is "in love".

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 11:05 AM) Your girlfriend and Critic are at 10000 'what' by now? posts.

Most of these discussions assume that there is cheating and not cheating and there is no sliding scale of cheating. But perhaps there is one, and on that scale, is the discussion. It is difficult to defend some sort of cheating and not others. But like speeding, we allow 5 mph and come down hard on 40 mph. Perhaps many people see artificially altering their bodies as a far worse offense then a drop of Vaseline™ or a corked bat. Others see it as the same and that we should allow all cheating.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 10:22 AM) Her parenting book for a CHRISTIAN publisher. Seriously, who lets their 16 year old live with her boyfriend? Anyway, stay classy Spears family, stay classy. Everyone is a role model.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 10:44 AM) I saw he was at 9991 posts. He has 8 posts to get his shots in, then it's silence for a while. I thought shirley*, Critic was at 10,000 by now. *she's my gf

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 19, 2007 -> 09:50 AM) Once you get to 5 digits on your post totals, SS2K5 post total jokes are no longer allowed until he hits 6 figures.

Charlie Wilson, Texas Democrat.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 18, 2007 -> 04:13 PM) I drove by R-Kelly's house (more like mansion or palace) the other day. My God... place was completely decked with Christmas lights. He had some type of pine tree that was as tall or taller than the house that was also lit up -- you could see it from several blocks away. Little kids like the lights

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Dec 18, 2007 -> 02:36 PM) It would be if he was on the list and was "outed". But he kind of started the whole thing. I want one of these guys that gets caught to step up and quit being a puss. Somebody actually be a friggin' man and admit your complete faults. Idiots. The lack on honesty from these jokers makes me really lose interest in the game. I always knew there was dishonesty in the game, as with the rest of life, but to see these guys covering their butts, and thinking we are complete idiots just pisses me off more and more. What about musicians that used illegal pharmaceuticals?