Texsox

Where you points fall apart is this: Bonds was is a skilled athlete. He spent his life as an athlete. From a young age he had been working out and has a greater than average understanding if his body and how it responds to workouts. Most people would find it hard to believe he did not noticed the change while taking these substances. Same thing if I gave you what I said was a regular cigarette and you got high. If I told you this was a regular cigarette and every time you smoked it you got high, and you continued to keep smoking them, do you think anyone will believe you were duped? Bonds knew, as do you and I, that those gains are unreasonable from flaxseed oil. It is just silly to pretend otherwise. Bonds is getting scrutiny in line with what he accomplished while using the substance. Why is there not going to be lots of balls with asterisks on display? Because only Bonds has broken such a record. People break the law all the time, but we continue to create laws, continue to enforce them. Some people can rationalize any behavior based on every body else does it. In this case, not everyone does it. There are honest players in baseball. And if we value anything like sportsmanship and fair play, we have to discount the accomplishments of cheaters. You may call that a high horse. I believe if that looks like a high horse, your eyes are too low.

QUOTE(False Alarm @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 02:15 PM) wasn't there a chili thread last year where you wrote a screed against beans in chili? am i thinking of the wrong poster? Great memory False Alarm. I actually said Just Say No. So I guess now it's Just Say Yo! I go back and forth. Beans in chili are much less popular down here than up north.

The person that bought the ball decided, after accepting internet voting, to do that. Not MLB. Since everyone cheats, why is Bonds so upset about this? He should be proud that unlike Perry, he did not get "caught". Hail Barry, the best cheater in baseball. Has one of the greatest records and never was caught. Something to be proud of and for every athlete to look up to and emulate.

He is being singled out because he made a statement that he would not be in the hall if they displayed the ball. So far he is the only player who has made a statement like that.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 01:42 PM) I've grown to really dislike driving, so its hard for me to pick just one pet peeve among the myriad of stupid things people do while driving. Its like everyone's IQ drops 30 points upon turning the ignition (including, nowadays, myself). But if I had to pick just one... blocking an intersection. If you can't make it across, don't enter the intersection. Its the ultimate act of selfishness - I'll just go right here and block the entire flow of traffic from the other direction, because I am more important than any of you. Ugh. I used to like driving. Everything is in walking distance, if you have enough time Another social norm thing that use to be a pet peeve. People leaving shopping carts behind other people's cars. Turns out the whole area does this and it works faster for the cart picker uppers. They can walk straight down the row instead of squeezing between cars. It finally made sense, but at first it drove me nuts to come out of a store and find a cart left right behind my car.

But bottom line, he did use steroids, and his accomplishments should reflect that, same as all the other cheaters.

Or blocking a driveway. Down here no one bothers to leave a space so someone can turn in. Forget about merging. In Mexico the norm is the major road has the right of way and you are expected to stop if you are getting on. Combine that with US drivers who are use to speeding up to merge in. I'm not certain which scared me more, driving in Mexico and forgetting or driving in the US. Of course everyone thinks they are right.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 12:29 PM) Recipe??? More of a basic outline: Brown the meat (I prefer to dice up a roast) with some jalapeños, 1015 onions (vidalia sort of, sweeter than most, developed here in the Rio Grande Valley), and garlic. Drain if necessary. Crush some tomatoes, till it looks right. Add tomato puree if they seem to dry. I'll also dump in a little beer if I'm drinking something full bodied. Add some chillies, about 1/3 of what you will be adding. (I like to use a couple different styles) small amount of green pepper, more if less chillies are used beans Worcestershire sauce Chili powder Cumin seeds, roasted and ground Oregano pinch of cinnamon Simmer about 2 hours, adding your chillies at intervals. Also layer your dried spices as you go. I like to serve with some extra pepper, onions, and cheese, and pan de campo (camp bread) or cornbread. There is a little wild pepper I find down here. I believe they are called pequines. It will kill you if you do not like raw heat. I'm getting old and I mellowed out my chili and only use a few and early on, never the final hour or so. The longer cook times seem to mellow out the spice. My goal is small beads of sweat while you eat with no discomfort the next day.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 12:36 PM) Im saying that if you are going to use federal grand jury testimony to convict Bonds, then every baseball player needs to be brought before a federal grand jury, told that they do not have immunity, and if they fail to answer the question truthfully will be held in contempt. Every player that answers that they did use illegal drugs will be given the same treatment as Bonds. If thats how they do it, then Im fine with it. But as it is now, Bonds was never caught by MLB. Why is he held to a different standard? Fair is fair, and Bonds is being convicted by testimony unfairly obtained. I dont agree with cheating, I just dont believe that you can let every other player off and only holds Bonds accountable. Bonds is not being convicted?? Did he serve a suspension? Was he banned from baseball? Fans are saying he cheated, and all evidence points that way. So again, if another player was let off, we should throw away the rules book? If the player didn't know what he took, he should be let off? You say you don't agree with cheating, yet you try every way to defend Bonds and find reasons why everyone should be allowed to cheat. The courts have to ignore Bonds confession, fans do not. Let every player off? Guys have been, and are being suspended, for using. Bonds is allowed to keep playing because he was not caught in a a manner that allows him to be punished. The players after him are getting caught and are being punished. But Bonds is allowed to keep playing. So you tell me, why is he being treated so much better?

Because as a society we have a stronger view about drugs. Because we've become less tolerant, rather than more tolerant since Perry. Because fans realized that cheating is wrong. Since you like to compare, why not compare Bonds to someone who didn't cheat? Is it fair to those players who played by the rules? Are you saying we should now accept all cheating? When do we draw the line? I believe Bonds should take responsibility for what he uses. As should all athletes. If you allow them to just say, well the trainer told me to take this, then anyone can take anything at it would be allowed. There would be nothing that is banned.

If you double in size and don't question the drug, it's your fault. Unless your theory is Bonds is that stupid. Do you really believe a professional athlete, who knew he could be tested, just takes anything without checking what it is? And this wasn't even from a Doctor, it was from his trainer. So as long as other people cheat, it's ok? Then why have a rule book? He did it, everyone knows it. And if someone offers to make you a really cool set of new clothes, have a little kid check it out first, you seem really gullible. This is not a court of law, no one is trying to send him to jail. But everyone knows he used steroids, they do not have to ignore it like if they were on a jury. Different standards.

Everytime I read the thread title I keep thinking baseball grew some stones.

It use to be a change in the weather, down here, it's the turning of a calendar page. Fixed up my first pot of chili for the season. The chillies are not as hot as they will be a little later in the year and I did not have time to get out and gather any of the little suckers that grow wild down here, but a respectable pot was produced.

I could see a team get shut out. Every once in a while you read about a high school team getting shut out against another high school team so in theory it is possible, I just don't think it is probable. But then again, if the pros understood their goal was to not allow a score, it would be more probable, with gimmicks like missing layups to maintain possession and run out the clock.

Happy Birthday!!

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QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 09:51 PM) And if y'all step over into personal attacks we will edit your posts. Next comes warnings, and suspensions. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) Show me where I personally attacked him. I didn't call him any names, I called that part of his post was "bulls***". He doesn't like that I'm swearing. Swearing = personal attack? Interesting... Please reread my post. That may clarify it for you.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 10:33 AM) Oh the list is endless as you can imagine, but I got a new one this weekend while helping a friend organize a seating chart for her wedding. When you are fortunate enough to be included in a celebration.... is it to much to ask to RSVP?? Seriously? If you can't make it... pick up the friggin phone and let the person who went out of their way to address an envelope, put a stamp on it, and mail it to you, know that you can't make it. Never in my life have I not responded to an invitation to anything I was invited to. It's just so incredibly ignorant and rude. Trust me Steff it isn't nearly as bad there as here. Here, it is a way of life, the social norm. No one RSVPs for anything.

It kind of feels like Bush Sr.'s unsuccessful campaign.

I agree, it all has to come into balance. It's part of the intangibles like integrity, character, and trustworthiness.

Was that a repeat or did they do another version? It seems they aired one a year ago with the same format. I wonder if it changed anyone's mind? I never bought the Bush as murderer, so this just confirmed my beliefs.

What kinds of at bats are productive and not tracked in some stat?

I would not totally dismiss the "rock star" factor. It certainly was a key component for Kennedy, Reagan, and Clinton. Being a cheerleader and making America feel confident and optimistic goes a long way. In fact with Reagan it was probably his single biggest accomplishment. Going back to Nixon we had three duds. Reagan rides in on his stallion and we start kicking some ass.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 08:41 AM) What do you mean? Have you seen some of those post-Halloween specials on candy? I wouldn't leave either. I'm guessing a bar closed at 2:00 am

wtf? There has to be more to this story?