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Great thought Kap. As was said in 1973, follow the money. Oil, defense, military, lots of money to be made.

I know first hand the pain of this type of accident. My prayers are with everyone.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 09:30 AM) Maybe that's why it is banned Ziiiiiiiiing Nicely played.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 09:08 AM) Ok, you got me. I exaggerated a little. But you understand my point. But your exaggeration actually helps to prove my point. 3,000 people died on 9/11. Yet many times more, over 16,000 will die from alcohol related traffic accidents. Which is going to save more lives, stopping shampoo from getting on an airplane or stopping alcohol? We accept the risk of alcohol. Why wouldn't we accept the risk of someone taking a nail clipper on a flight?

I'm waiting for the stingray barbs as decoration/sick momento market to hit on eBay.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 08:54 AM) Jesus called, he says hi. Thank you, I was talking to him early this morning. Helped me to get out of bed and face this day.

No problems here, I logged into my account at 7:25 or so and haven't logged off.

A Gallup poll has it at 64% of Americans, and that has been holding steady for something like 70 years.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 08:37 AM) That's a different situation. 95% of Americans drink. 1 person has been dubbed the leader with sole responsibility for the war on terror. We call it terror, but what does that really mean? There are street gangs in cities that have been terrorizing residents for decades. It's all crime, we've just allowed the government to erode our freedoms and liberties in the name of a foreign criminal. And there is a difference between the governent bungling an investigation and a criminal committing a crime. Notice that the "blame" for 9/11 doesn't center around why didn't the government ban box cutters, nail clippers, and soap from flights, but why didn't they know of a credible threat by Bin Laden?

Throughout history, humans have separated the men and women who fight wars from the rest of the population. Each group is given different protections, each group is almost given a different value on their lives. Steff's comment is a great reminder that when it is all said and done, we are all the same. It is human life that has ended before its time and all should be valued equally.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 08:17 AM) What is so confusing? I made the thread for the site to remember. Not to be a platform for a politician to make a statement. Via you, it turned into the latter. What is confusing is why some people label a non partisan call for non partisan actions as being political. A reminder that politics should not be a factor would seem like a good thing. I am sorry if I offended you. It was not my reason for posting. I thought it was a great message on a day that Americans should be reminded that we are all Americans, including those that chose to work as public servants. I read the letter very carefully before posting, and near as I can tell, besides the salutation, no one disagreed with his words, just the fact it was in this thread. I will be more careful in the future.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 08:15 AM) Please. I've read enough of your posts on Bush and war on terror to know that if ANYTHING would ever happen again you'd be ALL OVER him for his failure to protect us. You can't have your cake and eat it to. You either expect and accept some mistakes (unavoidable consequences more likely) or you don't. I've read his posts also and I can tell you he wouldn't blame Bush. The erosion of our freedoms does come at a price, as we are reminded on Veteran's Day, that price is often the lives of Americans. Civilians lose there lives to drunk drivers everyday, but that is the price we pay for the freedom to drink alcohol. No one would blame Bush for that.

QUOTE(Brian @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 08:10 PM) Took the words out of my mouth. Dems and Reps were effected. I am confused by this. Are you saying that elected officials and party workers are automatically excluded from speaking as Americans? Rex worked for a Dem candidate, should he not speak? Did you read his letter? Did you object to anything in the letter or see anything that was partisan? What is sad is Dean is calling for keeping politics out of this, something that it would seem you would agree with, but instead you would choose to silence him. Wouldn't that create more partisan frction?

As I have said after almost every Bush speech, I like the guy. If the Presidents during my life time, he's the one I'd most like to sit down and have a couple beers with. Unlike Clinton, I believe he does not get a fair shake for trying to move his party towards the middle. I liked most of the speech, I think he spoke what was in many American's minds. Like Rex, I think we are overplaying this when shampoo can't be taken on a plane, or nailclippers. I think we have started down a sad path when we voluntarily give up freedoms. I hesitate to write the next part, but honestly, I cringe when I here the people who died in the WTC that day refered to as heroes. Heroes, in my book, have a choice to make at some point. They could either leave or stay. They were 3,000 murder victims. The heroes where the men and women who ran into the building and tried to save them. They had a choice. We overuse the word. The question was what did I think of the speech? I thought it was very good. Brief, to the point. Wrong on a number of accounts, but he clearly spoke of his ideas and that is good.

When even Israel condemns us it should make everyone take a critical look and see why we are so out of step with the rest of the world. In a battle against terrorism, I believe good nationsa need to ban together, not fragment.

It already is regulated, it's illegal. What the government is doing is figuring out how to enforce the laws. Back in the last century, they used postal laws to stop illicit activities, The Internet does not allow for a nice neat solution if the government wishes to continue to enforce these laws.

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:18 PM) No way. We have too many frivolous holidays (St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, King Day, Casmir Pulaski Day, President's Day, Labor Day, Easter) as it is. Get rid of them all, I say!!

I go for a lack of prior planning for the impossible to imagine or believe. The Secret Service has to kick in with a SOP. I am certain there wasn't something in there to turn off the transpoder. I'll bet it's there now and will be turned off quickly.

I remember when his dad passed away and the feeling of "who'll run the city". It was incomprehensible that anyone else could run the city. Almost like losing a parent. You just didn't get that with Mickey, Jane, Harry, Davey, or Eugene.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 04:55 PM) Amazing info right there. If that was the "real" plane. I've read accounts that the transponder was a red herring. But my guess is, it was a mistake and they have since corrected it.

It's Da Mayer, he gets what he wants. I really miss Chicago. When is his kid going to be ready to be da mayer?

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Let's not get confused, there is also a Patriots Day in the northeast

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 04:02 PM) I've never once eaten at Sonic, but I've heard so many people talk about it that it's become the Charlie Trotter's of fast food in my head. That would be Whataburger, but that's another thread, The best fast food burgers.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 03:09 PM) Maybe he could have remembered that all walks of life vote and perhaps should have addressed all Americans and not just his political party. No matter. This aint my party I'm just a visitor. Great point. He sent this to a Democrat mailing list, hence the salutation. I am also on the GOP list and will post whatever they send as well. I think it should be a non partisan day, but even dedicated politicians should be allowed to speak, no? I didn't find anything in his letter that I thought would offend anyone, if it did, I would have posted it in the 'buster's dem thread.