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I think I can go with the standard sizing. The local shops here are double what I could be paying, so I'm mousing over to a few wetsuit sites and trying to figure out who is reputable. I wonder if any of the ladies have a fat-guy-in-a-wetsuit-looking-like-a-stuffed-sausage fantasy

There is a special place in hell for people like this. I'll bet the mom wishes it had been Jackson, didn't he pay millions? :headshake

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 30, 2006 -> 11:27 PM) I disagree You might have to pay more for the workers, but there are enough people to work these jobs. You know what, I don't care if they have to pay more. Currently we, the tax payers, are paying for these peoples illegal employees health care, schooling, ect. If you can't legally make a living in a business you need to change careers. Over an illegal immigrants life time they each cost around $100,000 more than they contribute. Sorry, I guess you are missing my point. We need the people working those jobs. Making them legal and paying them more is fine with me. But if you think there are American born and educated individuals getting shut out of the manual labor market, I disagree. There are not 12 million able bodied citizens clammering for these jobs. And wages for illegals are not $2 an hour or something like that. Most companies are paying over the minimum wage now, and accepting fake documentation. I believe there was a post above that mentioned this. Many times it is not about the wages, it's about our education system being advanced anough that almost any individual can get something better than manual labor jobs. Remember, the illegals also need to pay rent, buy food, clothing, gas for their cars.

Anyone buy one on-line and have a recomendation for a good company? I need one for surfing, windsurfing, and snorkling.

But all that debt is great for the economy, more tax cuts!!

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 30, 2006 -> 08:33 AM) Priceless! Thanks, one post in three weeks, I better make it a winner

And who here hasn't wished they had hypnosis power to cause a real partner to do that to themself? me neither

QUOTE(Soxy @ Mar 30, 2006 -> 12:40 PM) Really, it doesn't taste any worse than icecream, and you don't feel very guilty about it afterwards. Another reason ice cream is better than a man . . .

We have Marble Slab and Cold Stone here and both are OK. It's basically a hand made Blizzard at double the price, twice the sugar, twice the milk fats, and sometimes very good.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2006 -> 12:50 AM) Incorrect. These 12,000,000 workers have these jobs because if they can pay their workers less, they can sell their goods at a lower cost/higher profit than their competitors, both of which drive up the profits for the business. It's not a matter of them thinking we won't pay more for stuff...it's more simple economics; lower cost = higher sales. Incorrect, there there millions of jobs that cannot be filed, at almost any price. Car washes, restaurants, and especially agriculture are industries that are shut down without immigrant labor. Of the businesses I know that are employing illegals, all are paying over the minimum wage. There are also a lot of legal Americans working for unreported cash, so the tax invasion thing is broader than just illegals. Plus, by giving people more to spend, it helps the economy. If those business owners had to pay taxes on those wages, the economy would stall Imagine the life of a farm worker. Travelling from town to town, living in sub standard housing, toiling in fields all day because the crop is perishable. Not many Americans willing to do that work. We currently import way to much of out food. Look at the produce section at Jewel or Dominicks tonight. Do you think all that fresh produce was produced in Florida, Texas, and California? Most are products of foreign origin. People will buy the cheaper stuff everytime, and that is always overseas crops this time of year. We need these laborers, the government can't have a passive attitude any more, the public is demanding reforms. For decades, we have just looked the other way and allowed these workers. Now we have to formalize the process.

BTW, Shakes Frozen Custard

QUOTE(Soxy @ Mar 30, 2006 -> 11:09 AM) Oberweis icecream, icecream cakes, pies, whatever, are on my "what I miss about chicago list." I get kind of ill from dairy, but it's worth it when it's Oberweis. . . Although, I *love* the chocolate sorbet from Haagen Daas. [geek warning] The Oberweis clan are excellent chess players and supporters of the game in and around the Chicago area. I believe it was Jim Oberweis who kicked my ass in a game down in Joliet. He opened with the English, I was unprepared, and it was over before I knew what hit me. IIRC his daughter was one of the top High School players in the state. [/geek]

Konerko

The record keeping seems monumental, have you thought about that?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 30, 2006 -> 06:16 AM) Oh, you pay. You always pay ... sooner or later. Hush, let him dream. We all learned that the hard way . . . When I use to do a lot of business entertaining, and found myself in interpretive dance clubs, we would play count the bruises and/or count the tats. It was also fun to engage them in conversation, so what do you think of the UN resolution to ban uranium enrichment in Iran?

Maybe she needs a Bodyguard?

And if no one will take the jobs the company should fold. I don't understand why Americans won't spend 9 months a year following the crops. Living out of their cars, or in rooms that the farms supply. It is an adventure, you get to see the country, and at minimum wage or even a bit more, it's easy money. Piece work is great if you have any sort of work ethic. Or the farms could employ these people year round. Findsome busy work for them while the crops are growing. The poultry processing plants only have problems getting workers because they stopped employing union butchers. Get those union jobs back in there, we'll gladly pay more for the chicken if we know it was cut by a union butcher instead of an illegal. Americans will take these jobs at $25 - $30 per hour instead of $6-$8 per hour. And we'll pay the higher prices at the super market. These 12,000,000 workers only have these jobs because employers think we won't pay more for stuff. Once we eliminate them, wages will rise and that is great for the economy. We won't have to worry about minimum wages, the competition for workers will be so great that even WalMart will have to pay over the poverty level. Of course this also shows how a free economy is a joke. We want all sorts of artificial controls. 12,000,000 people have jobs because the economy needed them. We don't want some free market economy with supply and demand on the labor side, we want controls. Those immigrants who came through Ellis Island took jobs away from Americans. They were willing to work for less, and their English wasn't too good either. Again, it's funny but a free enterprise has retailers and everybody else advertising and conducting business in Spanish so they can make more money. Businesses have a choice, they can work hard to attract new business by speaking Italian, French, Spanish, Korean, Chinese, or whatever neighborhood they are in, or not. Down here not speaking English isn't a problem at all. There will always be a bi-lingual clerk to take their money. BTW, Mexican Nationals spent over $50,000,000 in Hidalgo County on their American Express cards in 2005. LaPlaza Mall is one of the busiest malls in America and it is largly on the backs of Mexican Nationals who come here to shop and play. Supply and demand. Businesses already face steep fines for hiring illegals. They do it out of necessity.

She must suck to party with, its always quit Waiting to Exhale Whitney and pass the damn pipe . . .

QUOTE(farmteam @ Mar 29, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) The drinking age is 18 in Iowa? Oh right...Iowa... Speaking of Iowa and drinking, what is the age of consent for a cow?

It's summer!

Are y'all taking the stance we should stop all immigration? Anyone wish to defend our present policy of allowing any Cuban who reaches the beach to stay? How does that fit into the equation? We are a nation of immigrants. We all owe our citizenship to a relative who immigrated.

QUOTE(Cknolls @ Mar 29, 2006 -> 02:59 PM) 16.60 billion as of 2004. Not chump change. Against an over trillion dollar deficit, it is chump change. Would you care to compare that to foreign aid dollars or the interest we pay countries like China on our debt? And where did you get that number and what does it represent? How can twelve million people create 16 billion for the Mexican government?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 29, 2006 -> 11:48 AM) Pizza Hut sells alcohol? Maybe not, I was just trying to think of a place that was nationwide. The principle is the same, just because a place serves alcohol, should everyone have a right to be drunk? Just asking. I get uneasy when we tell the police to not enforce a law. I'd rather get rid of the law.

QUOTE(Cknolls @ Mar 29, 2006 -> 11:52 AM) Why can't we tax the money these illegals repatriate to Mexico? Seems like it would help defray the costs of the social services they swallow. It would also deprive the Mexican gov't from the second largest source of income in their country. Do you have a source as to the second largest source of income to the Mexican gov't? BTW, there is a large number of Americans living in Mexico. They found their Social Security checks go a lot farther in Mexico. Thre are several towns that are almost 100% American. We should also stop Americans from travelling overseas and spending money there. Plenty of nice spots in the US. We have to deprive these countries of our dollars.

QUOTE(bmags @ Mar 29, 2006 -> 09:10 AM) yes. also can't you drink in your cars in texas? Not in a long time. Texas was the last to enact an open container law, but it has been over ten years. I think we all took it for granted you could be drunk in bars, after all they are in the business to sell alcohol. But would everyone agree that you should have the right to be drunk anywhere alcohol is sold? Bars that have a 21 age minimum seem OK. But what about Pizza Hut? Should it be ok to be drunk and sitting at the next table from a family? Should a guy be allowed to be falling down drunk sitting in the seat next to your daughter at a Sox game? I actually think it would be better to have laws against the behavior, not just being drunk. If you are drunk and sit quietly staring at the wall, who cares? But if you aren't drunk but trying to tell me Kerry Woods is a better pitcher than Beurhle, that should be illegal.