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QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) How convienient for you to leave out the small matter that France and Russia sold Iraq weapons in violation of the U.N. imposed sanctions while when the U.S. was selling them arms there were no such restrictions. Amazing how business the world over all operate pretty much the same. If there is money to be made, the deals get done. The US didn't need a UN resolution to go to war against Iraq, yet we keep mentioning this and that UN resolution that was violated. :headshake We really do talk out of both sides of our mouths in regards to Iraq.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) The conventional treatment would be available but then its an 8 month rehab from that poiny. That would waste alot of playing time for Detroit who signed the deal. A doctor in Germany did not get Jose Maria Olazabel walking again. It was a physical therapists in the US working with the Physician who got him walking and playing again. The big difference in medicine between the US and the EU other than the FDA debate is socialized medicine. With socialized medicine many experimental procedures can be done with patients because they will need to wait months to get a conventional procedure. This is a plus for research because many new things can be tried. However, it is a minus for some of the patients because not all of them work. That is why the goal of many employees in the EU contires is to rise far enough in their companies to get private insurance. This doesn't apply everywhere in the EU but it is a common scenario. What does this have to do with the Sox? Nothing except for these are the reasons why Maggs went to Austria and this is why every GM has been rightfully scared of signning him. And why most of the stuff coming out of his agent's mouth is pure horsemanure. For the record: Maggs accepted the advice of a US Doctor who was on the Sox payroll. He decided, based on all the treatments available, to try this. I'm not a Doctor, but I suspect if he had this choice at the beginning of his contract he might have choosen the conventional treatment and lost another season or so. I'll bet at that point, the team would have been suggesting the new treatment and hopefully a faster recovery.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) Whyis it funny..? IMO, the 2 are completely different. Albert was upfront about his condition, and Baltimore knew there was a risk - thus insuring it more than the norm. There was no way knowing his hip would go as fast as it did, but at least he didn't bulls*** the O's. I was thinking Cleveland for some reason. I was thinking he was two teams down the road and they were still paying. I agree the two are completely different. The Tigers know exactly what they are getting and have protected themselves beyond insurance. Maggs won't be getting paid if his career ends suddenly from that knee. Belle, as it turned out, had a much better deal.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) Read your post again & then try & convince me that your tone is not sarcastic towards the approval process for health care goods & services in America. I noticed you didn't bother to mention a thing about the legal aspects of America's health care system & how that burdens the system as whole. As for medical innovation overseas I don't see one line of what I wrote that suggests anything sarcastic towards that. But since you brought it up I agree with you. America not only doesn't have a monopoly on health care but in many areas is falling behind other countries. Innovation is occuring in Japan at a brisk rate. As for the homework debate, I'm sorry but Calculus is not a mandatory class nor one that does not require pre-requisites. You must both apply & qualify to be admitted into the class. It's not out of the ordinary for this to happen at a university & Calculus would certainly qualify as a college-prep class. Likewise since it's just homework the teacher doesn't have to be there as long as the student as some form of tutoring available to them from the school. My sarcasm is for people who think that overseas medical treatments are somehow inferior, risky, and below par. My statement is the US has the longest approval process. You seem to think it is because of lawsuit abuse, and I would agree. If that's the case, then more reason that overseas would be a safe alternative while the medical companies practice CYA by generating additional reams of paper. Overall the US has the greatest medical system for those that can afford it. There are times, however, when alternate courses of treatment are available and are better for that particular individual. The best US Surgeons and Doctors couldn't get Jose Maria Olazabel walking again. A Doctor in Germany did. I haven't read to the contrary, but it would seem the conventional drilling holes in the bone treatment would still be available after this treatment was tried. The student sued regarding a summer homework assignment for a calculus class in High School. There was no tutoring available over the summer. I agree with the summer reading assignments, I disagree with summer homework assignments in the sciences and math without some mechanism for tutoring. If all it took was reading a book and doing assignments, why have teachers?

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:35 AM) Brian and I enjoyed it enough to want to see more. The horny German fish was hysterical. "put your finger in my tank, let me feeeel" "don't give in!"

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:02 PM) Most of which was probably financed by the US in some way, shape, or form as it usually is with UN programs. Ain't that the truth.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:01 PM) It's funny to me that the things Allen did have become almost legendary, but if he was a player these days he'd get destroyed if he did the exact same stuff. Babe Ruth would have been in rehab a few times.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) No, and haven't paid him since 1998. Baltimore was paying 40%, insurance covered the rest. '03 was the last year. Thanks Steff, even funnier Baltimore paying him.

Well Juggs here is what I wrote Potshots? Which statement exactly are you disagreeing with? 1. The US has the longest approval? 2. People go overseas for treatment? Cancer and AIDS treatments come immediately to mind. 3. There are Doctors 4. There are hospitals? 5. They have modern techniques and everything? Medical innovations happen all over the world. Thinking the US has a monopoly on medical talent and breakthroughs is small minded. And for the record, I did not support the kid suing the school board, I supported the position that if the school is going to require CALCULUS homework, they need to have the teachers available as well. Just giving kids assignments and zero instruction is stupid. But then again, given your history of ignoring facts and common sense, why am I not surprised you would twist and distort statements?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) I'm thinking Albert Belle might be a little more accurate by the time this contract is said and done. The team didn't have an injury out with Belle. Weren't we still paying him last season?

Start booing Paul now. If he puts together a solid season, he'll be gone for higher wages elsewhere.

False, from snopes.com

In all the post 9/11 thoughts, the idea that this was going to be an isolated, one-time attack was hardly mentioned. Conventional wisdom was this was the beginning of a prolonged series of attacks against us. Actions were taken based on that scenario. Unfortunately, rolling back these laws becomes impossible for elected officials who would not like to be labeled as pro-terrorist by their opponents.

I doubted, but wasn't convinced, he was disarmed. When Bush said he had information he couldn't share, I believed him. I also believed Clinton when he said he hadn't had sexual relations with that woman. I think the price for Iraqi democracy, both in US lives lost and US dollars spent, is too high and the benefits too low.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:50 AM) My apologies as I thought you were referring to the "interesting behavior" comment. Silly...?? Maybe. Eye opening, that's for sure. eye opening? Eye've been pretty consistent all along in my read on the Maggs contract, as have you. In hindsight, I thought he should have signed the last Sox offer, he gambled and I thought he was going to loose the gamble. He may still loose the gamble if his knee doesn't heal. I think if he stayed healthy he would have won the gamble. I also think the team is better off without Maggs undercontract, if the total salary dollars weren't going to rise. I saw a pr battle between Boras and the Sox. It is any easy battle for the Sox to win. Hated agent, All-star player wanting a huge contract vs. our favorite team. I think the team would be better with a healthy Maggs instead of Everett. But we cannot have everyone else and Maggs. Only teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can spend that kind of money. Not returning calls? No big deal to me. Not volunteering information after he was ruled out for the season and the end of the contract? No big deal to me. I didn't hear anyone on the Sox claim he was healthier than he claimed, they all seemed to agree he couldn't play. I would be surprised if the team asked for information they were legally entitled to and didn't get it.

Welcome to Monday. Another glorious week of cheerful opportunities.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:13 AM) and I question your motivation in making that the issue Yes you did and this is getting silly. Steff, you are correct, Maggs could have done this better, and IMHO the team could have done this better. However, bottom line, he was not going to be playing for the Sox again, no matter what both sides did. At the time contract talks ended, and with his previous 6 seasons, he was going to command top free agent dollars from someone. If he had not been injured, he really would have hit the jackpot. And the Sox are not a jackpot type team.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) Steff, you should just post a naked picture of yourself, here, so that we all have proof you are still a woman. Nothing like setting the record straight! we got rules about that. It needs to be posted in the Hot Chick forum

funny if it's true. Now, the story would have been he was in a bathroom stall with Bonds, Giambi, Canseco, Sosa, McGuire, (how big are those stalls) getting a steroid shot . . .

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 10:13 AM) I was the woman, so I was there, and Ozzie never commented one bit during the time I was "scolding" Kenny, so I was not aware of his comments made after the fact. And I don't feel the need to call anyone an ass for not returning calls.. it's none of my business... and I question your motivation in making that the issue when I have clearly stated over and over again that it's because he lied that I don't have any respect for him any longer. You don't agree with me.. so be it. Interesting behavior here.. now it's none of your business.You first mentioned the lack of phone calls. I didn't. Now that that has been tossed aside, you wish to talk about my motivation LMAO. I believe both parties went in different directions. The Sox with Dye, Maggs with Detroit. Both sides looked out for their best interest, and that caused some swipes on both sides. I'm excited about the new look team and cannot wait for the season to begin. I realize the Sox will never have a guy making a top 20 type contract. He'll be traded or leave via free agency. It's the only was a small market team can compete. Balance. In the PR battle the Sox won. An All-Star leaves with nothing to show for it and the fans are happy. Hell, from the sounds of some fans here, they are happier to see Maggs leave than Billy Botch.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:48 AM) Actually he didn't call Kenny back.. silly facts. Silly aren't they. Actually it was Guillen and Kenny. But then research isn't really necessary. Care to call Frank an ass?

I thought AD had enough promising moments to watch the next few episodes. I thought the line about the dog was around when Reagan was President, he knows how things are suppose to be was great. Too many Dad shoots things gags. Shooting the dog was good. Anyone with a mom who has martyr syndrome had to laugh with "I'll take this piece". CIA rigging elections was funny. I also liked the Family Guy commercial spoof of Law & Order. Too bad KnuckleheadSox isn't around anymore. He was the American Dad savant.

All these are false. They are Urban Legends, passed on and on. http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp

QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) This guy is gone and he hired a top gun agent to get him the best deal possible. Maggs looked out for #1 and so did the White Sox. It's the American way. It's unfortunate that sometimes looking out for #1 means people do things that other people take exception to. Ordonez is happy with his new contract, the White Sox are happy with their revamped team. I'm guessing the Sox are equally as happy they don't have to commit all that payroll to one guy. I don't know, sounds like a win-win to me. When a guy leaves town, lots of times there are subtle pot shots that hit the press. This is not something I take personally. He was a good player while he was here but the team didn't win much. Not his fault but he was a key cog. This is pro sports, people come and go. I'm more excited about looking forward, I like the way the team looks.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) Yet he REFUSED to work out or give the Sox his medical records.. Hell.. he didn't even bother to call them back when he was still legally an employee of the Sox. Real classy.. :rolly Yes, I am. Because Kenny's quote was "We don't know how Maggs knee is." Very different from "he knee is not fine", IMO. And Maggs told that doctor to keep that information from the Sox. Not to tell them. To deceive them. To lie. I forgot all about that. Why is it the Sox get the worse humans to play for them? I'll bet Maggs could have played in September, when he was under contract, he just wanted to sit on his ass and collect his money. No wonder he kept that away from the team. Why didn't the Sox void his contract and stop payments if he was withholding information he was legally obligated to provide? I would think all that would be spelled out in his contract. I forgot, the Sox are perfect and always do the very best for every player. Like that early retirement gift for Fisk. I wonder who the next ass will be on the team? Who is a free agent in 2006? You can bet that player is going to be a greedy bastard as well. LMAO. Let's all drink the Sox are a charity koolaid. I guess Maggs took a play from Frank's playbook about not returning team phone calls. IIRC Frank didn't bother to return Ozzie's phone calls. So I guess Frank has no class also?