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I agree. But it's just my impression that they tend to retain their personnel. Which may also be a key.

Mine has changed over the past 15 years. What's the old saying about fool me once?

I hope my point was clearer. Individuals come and go, yet the problems somehow have taken root and stayed. The franchise has a net losing record over it's history and it will take decades to ever change that. One man isn't going to change that on a long term basis, only temporary. So we enjoy the upside seasons together and when the downside seasons happen, which we know they will, I'll complain that it's been that way all my life and you point to someone in a new position and believe they will fix it.

@WestEddy I sincerely hope you are correct because a fan base message board should be filled with legitimate enthusiasm and optimism for the product. I wish that 20 years from now you can tell all the young fans how you predicted the turn around of the franchise.

Perspective requires a broader look. If you look at the last two years, you see a rebuilding team doing some correct things. If you look at the last 50, you see a franchise that’s been rebuilding the same mistakes.

Yet over they past 50 years the Yankees average 92 wins per season and the White Sox 80 wins per season. It's not too small of a sample size. It's mostly modern post free agency baseball. Why do I worry that the team will continue to make the same mistakes they have for 50 years? Because the history keeps repeating. Could this be the positive little bump among the negative? I would say it's very likely.

@WestEddy do you think the Yankee ownership's willingness to bring in people from outside the organization is a plus, or do you prefer promoting from within? Is there value in promoting from within? I believe JR mentioned not needing to bring Getz up to speed with the organization as a reason to promote him instead of bringing in someone new. That doesn't sound like the owner wanted change. Maybe that's why the history keeps repeating?

You make a number of great points. The failures of the past don't guarantee continued failure, or success. Yet, for decades franchise like the Yankees keep winning and franchise like the W. Sox do not. I wonder what the differences are? Why doesn't hiring some great new talent changes things in a more permanent way? Second question I'm curious about, what did Getz do in player development or as the assistant GM that you feel we should use to evaluate his almost ten years with the club?

And Vaughn is doing better with a new organization

Chris Getz was the Director of Player Development. JR was the Chairman. I believe they both are still with the organization. Now do you share some concerns?

Bigger contracts won't create better players. The question is will it redistribute players from the Dodgers and Mets to the Pirates and As? I'm not certain it will. I think the floor inflates the bottom and the cap deflates the top. We still have the question is having the bulk of your payroll concentrated in two the three superstar contracts or upgrades at more positions?

That's the history. They play brinkmanship games until it starts costing them real money and finally get serious. Meanwhile the millionaires work to get the fans on their side and the owners know fans will always want to support the players.

I could see the highest payroll teams with the best talent at declining rates of spending and the lowest payroll teams full of higher paid than today, less talented players with no change to the competitive balance.

I fixed that for you. Awesome post 😂

I getz I was too busy noticing the three 100 loss seasons to remember back to back playoff. The discussion is developing young players. I posted four players that arguably were rushed through the process. Do you still believe he had nothing to do with rushing them and we shouldn't be concerned about future high drafts picks?

Chris Getz is a continuation of a long line of loyal JR employees. He was trained by THE Kenny Williams and the amazing Rick Hahn and served faithfully under them. He has been involved in top Sox management since 2017. You can ignore everything that happened with player development since 2017 and believe this is a new, improved Getz. And honestly that makes for a much better winter.

You are correct. I guess we should blame the Director of Player Development when Vaughn was drafted. The other Getz.

There is always that. Poor drafting sets up development for failure.

Getz was Director of Player Development starting in 2017. But he's in a new position now. The longer you follow the team the less optimistic you become. So just ignore all this. Getz probably wasn't to blame back then.

There is a pattern through their history. You can choose to believe events like 2005 or the "multiple championship window" means the franchise is somehow newly created. It's honestly a happier way to look. I'm certain this time they hired people that will be much better at it. Just like every other time.

It's been the same institutional mess for 50+ years. After decades of watching front offices, coaches, and players come and go some fans don't believe things change with a new set of names.

Carson Fulmer, Gordon Beckham, Oscar Colas. . . Just a couple more that come to mind.

Andrew Vaughn enters the chat

The special advisor thing isn't that big of a deal. To me it's more marketing than anything legit.