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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 1, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) Some terrible stuff here: I'd argue if there was any killing it's the driver that caused it. I wonder if there is any case law that covers this. I can't believe this kind of killing happens very often. I'm trying to imagine a case where this has happened. Perhaps driving off the road and having an accident.

I know I can survive some pretty low stretches of Sox baseball. My expectations was a playoff appearance once a decade or so. When Kap called me in 2005 I think some of the first words we said was "I never expected that in my lifetime". I think I find the run by the Hawks post Bill Wirtz easier to accept. Same with most of you. I enjoyed independent league play. Two evenly matched teams makes for a good game. I'll watch any game from college on up. I'll even watch a high school game if I have a dog in the fight.

Interesting. I wonder about the nature and causes of the "injury" group.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Which is entirely past the point of where we are in reality with Peter Angelos screwing over his own team, plus another team, over a decade old grudge. As I said, I was speaking beyond the one game and trying to build a case that profits are something that teams will, and should, fight over. The point that wasn't brought up, and would fit with your position is the commissioner is the guy that the team owners hired to work this out. I'm guessing the owners want a laissez faire position by the commissioner and the freedom to handle their own matters as it pertains to their team. In other words, all of the other owners accept the other owner's decision and expect the same freedom when it is their turn. The commissioner doesn't have (usually) $750,000 invested in a team.

Balta, who did the research and did you find any conclusions that were drawn?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:21 AM) I also can't imagine JR trying to sabatogue another, completely unrelated team for a decade afterwards, just because he was still pissy about it. I couldn't either. But I could see him not wanting fans going to the Schaumburg statdium.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) Amazingly, there is not an epidemic of broken spines for unbuckled passengers in major cities across the world, even in cities with much worse traffic and driving conditions. Tex, you do have a point that it might be hard to prove the driver's mindset to make something like a murder charge stick. Which could also be used by the police to say he must have been trying to hurt himself. The key differences are the environment and the passenger's position. Passengers are not normally handcuffed in an unpadded, large enclosure, where they could slide a significant distance without the means to brace before they made contact. They just would not move that far in an automobile and would be able to brace themselves before hitting the padded door or seat.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) This isn't a high-speed drive through a war zone and rough terrain. It's driving a van on major city streets. Any pot holes to swerve around? Any taxis cutting you off requiring you to stop suddenly? Pedestrians stepping out? Cars pulling into traffic? Trucks backing out of an alley? My main point is not following procedure in securing a passenger is objective. The driving maneuvers are more subjective.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 03:03 PM) You cannot compared a protected monopoly like MLB with any other business except the other federally protected sports leagues. It's not like a McDonalds franchise. It's not like a soda company. Apples to Oranges. When you buy into an MLB team you agree to play by the league's rules, including how revenue is split. You get your vote as 1/30 and that's it. Angelos knows all of this. If he doesn't like it he's free to sell his club (at a value that is incredibly enhanced from even 10 years ago mind you, maybe even to the tune of 200%) and try his hand at other ventures. Why do rich people buy sports clubs? Sure some do it for the love of the game and the prestige, but many buy in because the profit structure is guaranteed. I mean, the worst thing that can happen is the other cabal members decide that it's in everyone's best interests to move a club into your backyard. Compared to the risk of many of investment vehicles a MLB is almost fail safe. Hell, look at the Wilpons, who for a decade or longer have basically leveraged the Mets as their own personal piggy bank and were able to survive their massive Madoff exposure thanks to the revenues from the club. There's no defending Angelos this is simply a petty dispute between 1%ers. Two guys pissing on each others Bruno Magli's. BTW, in case it isn't obvious, I am talking macro view and not the decision over one game. How are the profits guaranteed? There is a competitive imbalance in the league that is due primarily to income. The amount of profit is not guaranteed and teams, can, and do, lose money. Teams have been forced to relocate to find bigger fan bases. It is a relatively safe investment. But nothing builds the value of your franchise than winning, popularity, and a sweet stadium deal. So lets only look at MLB. The more profits you have, the more competitive you can be for free agents. Why would any club voluntarily give up profits that they could reinvest into their clubs? If every club was actually even and there wasn't a need to protect your business and profits, then every team would sell for the same amount. Yet, the Yankees would sell for a heck of a lot more than the Pirates. Could you imagine JR accepting a team in Schaumburg? Hey his profits are guaranteed! He's just one franchise. Do what is best for baseball?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) I think the point of a rough ride is that they're deliberately not secured appropriately. Which is a point against the police. The difference being is a rough ride with sharp turns *could* be justified by road and traffic conditions. We all have had to make such maneuvers. If the prisoner is not secured properly that is either deliberate, careless, or due to a lack of training. All of which points against the police department and is less subjective and more objective.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 01:18 PM) The idea that two members of a cabal, immune to federal anti-trust laws, can't figure out how to split the eggs from the Golden Goose that is MLB revenue right now, is absurd on the face and should be shouted down from the rooftops as more Gilded Age 2.0 insanity. Did Angelos really f***ing expect to not have a team in DC eventually? It's what, the 6th largest TV market in the US? The Orioles had the entire metro area, including DC, to themselves for decades. That they couldn't build a stronger regional brand is nobody's fault but their own. So if you were making $3M from something and now it was going to be $2M you would say cool! We're just splitting the golden goose? Most of these guys are owners because they built businesses that grabbed more than the other companies in their industry. These guys are trying to win. Bigger payrolls, bigger profits. Maybe you would just accept whatever split was offered but I sure would fight for every dime.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) The Nationals and Orioles are franchises of Major League Baseball. Big f***ing difference than two seperate companies. They are separate businesses. Which results for example in some teams having a higher payroll than others. Some teams earn more money than others. That's why the guys that buy teams are called owners. If you are a franchise owner who just made a sizable investment and the parent company decided to move another store across the street with a different owner you would be screaming about your investment. Yes, there are areas where they need cooperation. But that is the same in most industries, even without a shared franchise. Chevy, Ford, and Chrysler get together when it's time to negotiate with the unions, that doesn't mean they will willingly send their customers to the other dealer. Same within the franchises, notice how each franchise of a car manufacturer run their own adds and try to compete for business?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is your answer. These are rare circumstances. It sucks that they happen, cops/higher ups should be held responsible, policies and procedures need to change, but that's quite an investment and continued maintenance cost for something that happens 1 time out of how many arrests? 1000? 10,000? Just not a very cost effective move. I'd rather they put that money towards something else (if anything). I was thinking about that. Isn't the cost of that technology pretty cheap now? At least cheaper than the potential problems it would solve.

Has anyone seen a diagram of how prisoners are secured in the vehicle? I had assumed that they are secured in a way that a "Blender" couldn't occur. Obviously I was wrong in that assumption.

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) this so called gene pool as you said, is border line racial insult. there is no gene pool. there is a pool of new applicants who wants a job. somewhere along the line, something triggered something that made these cops think that it was kool to do this crap. identify it, and get rid of it. I'm not certain how that could be considered racist. Gene: a unit of heredity that is transferred from a parent to offspring and is held to determine some characteristic of the offspring. If you keep pulling from the same pool of applicants, with the same characteristics, you will continue to have the same results. You want to get rid of "it" once they are on the force. I want to get rid of "it" before they get on the force. I'm surprised that you would disagree with that.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 03:51 AM) I ask every year or so, so I figure now is as good of time as any. Do I still have the highest warn rating of any poster not banned? I know that "warn"rating" was a technical term at a point in time, I am just curious if that still applies, and where my ranking on said list would be. It would be greatly appreciated to find out considering the lack of time I have spent on here in many years now. Much obliged. I couldn't find a way to rank posters by "warning levels" but you may still hold that distinction. However, there are posters closer to being banned than you. The warning level is only one criteria that is looked at. Time on the site, the nature of the warnings, etc. BTW, May 13th must have been a good day to join soxtalk

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) let me see if i got this right, there are some crooked cops, the IA knows of this, but since there is a shortage of good applicants, ergo you won't do anything.. Cleaning shop and creating a better long term force and firing some crooked cops are two completely different things. If you keep firing some guys and keep dipping into the same gene pool the problem will continue. If you want to clean house and build a better long term department you have to fire the bad cops and replace them with something better. Anything less and you are just treading water. Same problems, new faces.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) He was compensated greatly for allowing the Nationals to move. Not only from the sale of the team, but the 85 percent equity in masn Plus, the sox have been sharing Chicago with the Cubs for 115 years. Totally different scenario. AngeloS is too much of a scumbag to understand working together. Kind of like how McDonalds and Burger King would work together. Coke and Pepsi.

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) i don't know. i think many are really avoiding the point. the f***ing house is f***ed up. fix it before it gets worse. make all the excuses you want, there are great people working on those PD, but they are getting painted black b/c of f***ed up cops. You can't clean up the house when there is a shortage of applicants. You can clean up the house when there is a mile long waiting list of qualified applicants.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) Yes, but he lost a HUGE market share with the Nationals moving in 40 miles away. What would the White Sox fan base and revenue be without the Cubs in Town. It really hurt his franchise in the long term. I don't blame him for being angry with baseball and the Nationals. In a similar scenario familiar to Chicago fans, Dollar Bill Wirtz blocked a NHL franchise from ever going to Milwaukee.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) Did I really need to specify that it was my opinion? I would have thought that was fairly clear. What was unclear to me was to what group you were thinking about? Owners? Perfect Player's? I haven't read any opinions, but I assume they aren't happy losing an off day Fans? I'm guessing the reviews are mixed. Some fans will be happy to see a double header, some are worried about how it will affect their team's record. I only see Sox fans as really being upset. You (and I)? OK we think it is a joke, but that probably isn't very important. So as commissioner do you go along with the owner involved over the players and a few hundred Sox fans who really care?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) If he is scared to step in and do what is right, the game of baseball is in trouble. Not playing the games in Baltimore on those days was the right thing to do. Trying to keep the games in front of home fans is within the scope of right things to do. The biggest losers are the players and are you really surprised that the owners's interests trumped those of the workers?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 07:10 AM) If this series was really screwed up because of personal dislikes, the MLB Commissioners office is a damned joke. Damned joke to who? Certainly not to the people who hire him.

The challenge is creating a system that allows for weeding out the poor performers while making the job attractive to top performers.

It's become a States owner's rights issue. The new commish is off to a great start with the owners, the only people who really matter.