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QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 09:48 PM) I get what you're saying. Don't generalize. Don't assume they're all bad because I still don't know all of them. I get that point. That still doesn't mean I can't make a decent argument that this movement, whether it was rotten from the start or simply coopted by the worst of the worst, is bad for America. I don't think it's going to induce any positive change and it's only going to sour the current state of affairs. And at worst, it's going to get people killed. Think about it...would you tell me not to call the Nazi Party an evil organization just because Oskar Schindler was a member? You wouldn't make that argument. There can be bad movements that have a few, or even many, good people. It doesn't mean their ultimate effect isn't a destructive one. Agreed.

I am not defending the idiots, and there are many. But most are just there for the spectacle and like mentioned earlier are professional bums. But to dismiss the other half as also being idiots and rapists, and God knows what else is a gross over generalization. The past couple decades have shown corporate America at its worse. Starting with outsourcing even low paying jobs overseas, mismanaging their companies to the point where the American tax payers had to bail them out of destroy the economy, while giving their top executives salaries well beyond even an ace pitcher. The high unemployment rate is a huge stress. I know some very good people who were out of work for over two years. Some enjoyed the vacation at our expense, some were desperate for a job. Then companies admit to placing working applicants ahead of the out of work!? Yeah, I understand the frustration against corporations, especially in the financial services industry.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) I doubt half the guys from my list make it. It's such a wide spectrum to choose from. I'm guessing only one or two of mine will make it, and they were ones I had near the bottom.

Who is in charge of any movement like this? Who is there to denounce them? OK, I denounce them! You denounced them, so I guess people are denouncing them. Where there are crowds, there are idiots. This movement in particular attracts some really idiots. And those are the ones making headlines because they are committing crimes. There are people cooping this for their own agendas. I can sit here and match you post for post where people in outstanding organizations do some pretty despicable things. That doesn't mean every soldier, cop, teacher, tea partier, etc are bad. There are many more Americans who agree with some of the protesters who can't be at the protests.

Hey Sparky, you shouldn't need to get that close

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) These people are savages. If you're not already seeing that this is a movement of the most despicable scum, people who are violently intolerant, criminal and disruptive of the lives of normal Americans, then you're just delusional. Speaking of despicable scum, people who are violently intolerant, criminal and disruptive of the lives of normal Americans, we can add guys like the 5th Stryker Brigade of Fort Lewis, Washington, who are charged with the wanton murder of Afghan civilians in Kandahar last spring, or Army Lt. William Calley, or Capt. Daniel Nilsson, or Kevin Lee Flippin, or CMDR Jay Wyle, or . . . I'll point out that what all these people have in common is being at the fringes of the groups they are associated with, and rejected by good and just people everywhere. I would not paint the entire organizations with the same brush.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 05:33 PM) Most of them are LaRouchies and they were all asked to LEAVE, not embraced by the rest. Where is the membership applications? Who decides who is, and who is not, part of these movements? Tea Party or Occupy?

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) These people are savages. If you're not already seeing that this is a movement of the most despicable scum, people who are violently intolerant, criminal and disruptive of the lives of normal Americans, then you're just delusional. Taking a fringe idiots and convicting everyone seems a little extreme.

useless to ignore this thread. Of course it simultaneously defends and convicts me as a rotten thread starter.

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) Tex, the two groups are NOT the same. Only if you group the crazies in one group and exclude them from the other.

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QUOTE (shlammajamma @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) I take it all back. Your credentials are incredible. Thank you, I appreciate that. knightni is putting together another list, this one on villains, feel free to add me to your list.

Oh no, not again. We just chased off the red tide.

maybe I will, but probably not. I just joined another one of those liberal tree hugger environazi groups, http://www.surfrider.org/

QUOTE (shlammajamma @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) Another bad thread by you. You're right, nothing really new. BTW I am a two time Thread Starter of the Year winner 2005 & 2008. Back in the day when we took the time to vote on awards. I chose to not start too many threads in Pale Hose. We usually have a good mix of threads in Pale Hose so I generally avoid starting threads unless it will be unique or something I do not expect anyone else to start. You may also wish to use green for the sarcasm.

We have a lot of posters who leave for the off season. I am just trying to keep them around. The other forums here are pretty damn entertaining with some posters as knowledgeable as we find in Pale Hose. The Sports Movie countdown, like all that preceded it, was excellent. I suspect the villain thread will be even better. There have been some great soccer, boxing, and NASCAR discussions through the years. There is just so much here beyond Pale Hose. And of course the primary season is just around the corner.

Keep stopping what I am doing to read a few posts.

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QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) In my view, a LOT of them. I'm gonna be here all day if I link every single moron found at these protests. 5%? 50%? 100%?

QUOTE (shlammajamma @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) Another bad thread by you. You're right, nothing really new. nicely played. I enjoy your posts.

Isn't there a difference between approving of the job he's doing and approving of his affair with Lewinski? You said there were years of people saying his behavior was fine. That's about the same as someone saying since you like music you approve of their drug use. But accepting your premise, since Dems did such a horrible job with Clinton, how will Republicans react that is better?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) After the first few weeks, the OWS protests got co-opted by every fringe group out there. You got Commie, Nazis (patrolling the Oakland one with GUNS, but not reported in the MSN) Anarchists, drug dealers, rapists and people just looking for a had out. I think one of the OWS kitchen staff described them as 'Professional bums'. The people who originally had a point are overshadowed by the LARGE amount of crazies that are there now. And how can you take anyone seriously that communicates with 'up twinkles' and 'down twinkles'? Agreed. About the same as the Tea Party.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 10:31 AM) And then there's this. How am I supposed to respect these morons? You are not suppose to respect that moron. How many of the protesters are also like that moron?