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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 01:48 PM) So, they'll arrange for them to vote, but not get an ID? If they can get special arrangements made for voting, I am sure they could get the same set of arrangements for getting ID's. I am certain the nice people from the Democratic party will stop by and take them to get their ids, same as they arrange for rides to the polls.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 01:49 PM) Are you questioning my authoritay? Does it sound like I'm questioning your authority?

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 12:13 PM) C'mon now...some animals eat their own young... Yes they do. But they do not torture them in the process, for sport, or perverse pleasure.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) Don't you know you are not supposed to answer a question with a question? Where did you hear that?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 12:55 PM) Sounds alot like the making hybrid cars noisier problem,eh?There is such a small percentage of people who would be affected by the law, it seems stupid that they are even creating one. Exactly.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 06:13 PM) easily Boston. I also cant stand Bears fans. That would be about 99% of this board. Good luck

And what is an acceptable number of legitimate voters being denied the opportunity to vote? It is often said, we would rather ten guilty persons going unpunished then one innocent person being falsely convicted.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 11:22 AM) Alot of people get paychecks still. Go to any inner city currency exchange and you'll see. Those people also don't usually have bank accounts to auto-deposit to, or debit cards to draw from. You are correct, we are talking about such a small percentage of people, it seems stupid they are even creating a law. Imagine now if your picture doesn't match because you gre/shaved a beard, gained/loss weight, changed hair color, and some hyper election judge decides you can't vote.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) If they can't physically go get an id, how can they physically vote? How will they handle absentee ballots?

No animal is crueler than humans. Relatively speaking, the worst animals are more humane then humans.

Every once in a while there are solutions that are out of scale with the problem, or which create more problems then they solve. But that never stops our elected officials from enacting them if they think it will either earn them votes or cause the other party to lose votes.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) Yes it is illegal to drink underage but come on, who here actually waited until they were 21 (or 18) to start drinking? I think this complaint is equivalent to those that would complain that they got pulled over for doing 67 in a 65. If you would complain about the latter, don't complain about the people complaining about the former. Society has a method of assigning value to infractions, called fines and penalties. Traveling two mph over the limit will not usually result in an arrest. There is some relative error in speedometers and detection equipment that is factored in. There is no such error in calculating someone's birthday. Plus comparing the penalties that are involved in speeding versus underage drinking. If you did receive a ticket for two mph over, it would be a relatively cheap ticket. A personal caught underage drinking would be fined more, potentially forfeit their driver's license, and the establishment that served the alcohol could have their license suspended and a hefty fine. With the enormous pressure from lobbyists from the hospitality and liquor industry, raising the drinking age was not an easy task. Only the vast amount of independent data that youth from 18-20 put themselves and others at risk drinking, and the argument regarding age creep in drinking (18 supply 16 and 17 versus 21 supplying 19-20) allowed it to happen.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:41 AM) /thread Far too simple. I am no longer surprised that some people do not know what is a right and what is a privilege.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) Cash a check, get a job, get into a bar, buy beer, take out a loan, obtain a lease, open a bank account, if you are detained by the police, .... Most of the voter ID laws contain provisions to waive the ID fees for people who cannot pay. Cash a check? Direct Deposit and debit cards Birth Certificate and Social Security Card Bar? Beer? When was the last time you were carded? No Problem Loan? Credit report, social security card. I've taken loans out over the internet. Lease? My current one did not require it. Bank Account, not certain. Detained by police? Not illegal (yet) to not carry any ID.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:20 AM) there are 13 million people here in Illinois. Assuming 0.25% of the population double votes or commits voter fraud, that runs up to 32,500 votes. and if .00025% it would be closer to 35. Even using your number, how many statewide elections were decided by fewer then 32,500 votes? And don't you think it's convenient that these measures are introduced just when anti-immigrant fervor is at its highest?

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 11:08 AM) is there a state or national database that checks for voter duplication? say I am registered to vote in Schaumburg and then vote to Hoffman Estates and re-register (not transfer) my new address. Is there any check/balance in place that goes back to make sure that I don't vote in both locations? I believe it is a state by state process. So you could, in theory, vote in Zion and in Kenosha. How many elections are decided by a small enough margin that fraud could tip the balance?

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 10:01 AM) in all fairness, just because the govt doesn't chase it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. its like saying that the Naperville police department only handed out (and thus caught) 75 speeding tickets last week, so only 75 people were speeding. In most election far less than half of eligible voters actually head to the polls, seriously, how bad could it be? I see far more stories about electioneering, mail in ballots, etc, then a person showing up and voting for someone else.

When I was an election judge in Lake County during the early 1980s, the training taught us that it was better to allow people to vote whenever possible. Most of the time the only issues were people at the wrong polling place.

There is a balance in here somewhere. As noted there are valid reasons why someone would not have a valid picture ID and creating barriers to voting is something that has to be carefully considered. I find it interesting, with low voter turnouts and apathy by many American in voting, the illegals (and we know this is targeted towards illegals) are flocking to the polls. It would appear that the majority of Americans (who do not vote) are concerned that others may vote. Dammit, a true American speaks English and does not vote. What this is really about is the voters that will be effected tend to vote for one party over another. If the votes were balanced, politicians would not care and largely ignore the topic. We have a nice degree of grandstanding that will play well with some voters. And, just to be clear, I do not believe people living here illegally should be allowed to vote.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 28, 2008 -> 08:09 AM) I think what we have here is someone trying to make a career comeback trying to get her name in the news. In other news, Barry Bonds sent a huge thank you to Roger Clemens for being a bigger target then himself. Amazing.

While there may be some differences between the north and south sides, with so many fans coming from the suburbs and all over, the gene pool for Cubs, Sox, Hawk, Bulls, and Bears fans are about the same.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 26, 2008 -> 07:36 AM) Great job knightni definetly the coolest thread slam has had in a while. Just because it was a cool thread.

Meh, accusations come flying when someone famous is in trouble. Everyone looking for something.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 27, 2008 -> 09:22 AM) envenomation apparatus. Yo mamma would be so proud, using such big boy words.

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