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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 10:50 PM) Wow...this is the rare time the pure fan in me comes out, but Buehrle is one guy who if we sign him I won't complain if it bites us in the ass just because of how big of a fan of his I am. I'd love to see him perform the first month or two before we gave him a big money deal but he's proven so much in his career and still has a lot of good years ahead of him, imo. I also think having him back makes our rotation a hell of a lot better now and in the future (because we'd know that we wouldn't be filling quite as many holes). I agree, and I have been preaching all offseason that Buehrle is the one pitcher you can give a long term deal to. In fact, I think he's the only player I'd be very comfortable giving a very long term deal to, and that says something considering he is a pitcher. Given that he's said he'll give the Sox some kind of hometown discount, and there is no way he shouldn't be resigned IMO. I hope I'm not just being biased, but I actually think something will get done.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 10:20 PM) Their owner is one of the richest in sports, but he's very cheap. I think their new stadium should improve their payroll dramatically. It will be interesting to see how Ryan is with extra money. He's been great watching his pennies, but sometimes when you have the extra money, you spend it on the wrong things. Even as one of his biggest supporters --- Javier Vazquez

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 08:37 PM) It seems that as soon as a guy leaves, especially for money reasons, the next thing we hear are comments trashing the guy. I can't believe that every player that leaves is a terrible guy. I think the team smears some guys unfairly. They are justified in some too. I look at Magglio Ordonez, right away. Questionable character, though not necessarily bad character. To go behind the team's eyes and wishes and have a risky surgery shows a desire to continue playing, but it is also extremely dishonest. To then fire his agent and hire Boras is a direct message to the organization suggesting they pay up or wave bye. They let him go, and for good reason. Frank Thomas was smeared unfairly, and I imagine Joe Crede will be too. Crede will likely just want to cash in, and I don't blame him a bit for that, and the organization won't resign him because it'd be way too risky, regardless of price.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 08:54 PM) I doubt they'd get him too, but if it ever happened, I could see it happening. Johan would be a dream acquistion for Kenny. He'd probably give his right testicle to get him. This just had to be linked

He basically said he got that close to completely f***ing Purpura in the ass. Willie, I so almost called this offseason perfectly.

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 06:52 PM) I gotta believe Terry Ryan will find a bargain basement free agent project during spring training. QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 07:03 PM) Ponson and Ortiz seem to be ahead of him on the depth chart.....

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 4, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) Tiger Woods is good at golf.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) I did forget Aaron Rowand who was turned into a demi-god when he left by the Sox. That was a trade. He didn't leave on his own grounds. Trades are completely different from free agency. The last I can think of that left in good fashion based on his own will was Harold Baines.

QUOTE(rpmahr @ Jan 27, 2007 -> 09:35 PM) and who do they have for pitching other than CC Lee, Westbrook, Sowers, and Byrd in their rotation - which is better than the White Sox. This isn't mentioning a solid bullpen and one of the best offenses in the MLB.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jan 28, 2007 -> 01:39 PM) What I've read is that he's a one-pitch pitcher (curevball) with a fastball the struggles to get over 90. And he was very hittable in AA: 160 hits in 154 IP. Also, only 6.47 K/9. I haven't seen him in person, and if I did I probably still wouldn't know if he was good or not. But he's just not regarded as a high-ceiling prospect. It's particularly troubling because Garza is regarded by many as a potential top of the rotation starter. Of course, the Twins clearly have some of the best scouts in baseball. Yeah, and he's never been considered more than a 3rd-4th starter type. The plan for Broadway the whole time has been to get him in the MLB quickly, as they figured he'd fly through the minors. He has.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Jan 27, 2007 -> 07:15 PM) If that offer was made during last year, it most certainly was NOT a low offer. The salaries rose to crazy levels during the off season. $10+ million per year was pretty damn good. At that time. AJ Burnett dude

I would kill to be an iguana DOUBLE YOUR PLEASURE, DOUBLE YOUR FUN

QUOTE(rpmahr @ Jan 27, 2007 -> 01:38 PM) especially when the AL central will be weaker than last season...90 games might win the division depending on if detroit has a soph slump Cleveland

So what all do we have to consider? Injury risk, pricetag, talent, bias, organizational depth...? Considering all of them, it's Garland, Iguchi, and Pierzynski. The most consistent starter, a 2Bman which the Sox have basically none of in the lower minors (unless you count Ricks, and I don't), and a catcher which the Sox similarly don't have much of in the minors (unless you count Lucy and Hernandez, and they are both borderline at this point).

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jan 27, 2007 -> 05:56 PM) Since Kenny makes it clear we won't have Mark B, why didn't we trade him to Texas instead of BMac?? We should have traded Mark this offseason considering he won't be a White Sox anymore after this season. We should trade him to the Cardinals as soon as possible. Because you probably can't get Danks alone for Buehrle. One year of proven Buehrle --- This sucks. I usually understand this business side of things - and I do in this instance I guess you could say - but it just sucks so bad that the face of the White Sox for the past 6 years is as good as gone. I wouldn't be surprised if Buehrle would take a 5 year deal from the Sox at around $75-80 mill, but with the year he had last year along with risk of signing pitchers beyond 5 years, it's not even smart to do that. Sucks a biiig one

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 27, 2007 -> 05:56 PM) In a nutshell, this is pretty much it. If Ozzie uses him correctly -- which, IMO, consists of being a late-inning sub for Konerko at first-base, and an occasional CF/LF/1B start for tough righty matchups or whenever Konerko needs a rest -- then he can be an asset. If he gets the afformentioned 120+ games, then he'll prove to be a liability, and all the punter-i-ness and grit in the world won't change a damn thing about that. The guy is not a good hitter. I would be very pissed if the Sox have (more or less) given up on Anderson after a stretch of ~350 bad ABs. That would be an awful job by Kenny Williams and everybody else in the front office. I mean, one year ago they traded away Chris Young because they said they had all the confidence in the world in BA, and now this? I'm just not getting good vibes from this move. I don't like Erstad saying that he's trying to win the starting CF job. Yeah, I know it's good for the guy to be competitive, but I hate seeing starting jobs on the line in Spring Training. Hitting well in Arizona means jack s***, and one of the most important defensive positions on the field is 'up for grabs'? Give me a f***ing break... Every word in this post hits exactly what I feel and I have been trying to say about this move. I'm warming to the deal - if you want to call it that - but I'm not really excited to see Erstad in uniform, just because of what could happen to him. If he's completely healthy, and he can stay completely healthy, then he could be the Aaron Rowand to this team. If he's hurt, I really don't like the spot the Sox are in.

All the Sox need is a lineup similar to this 1 - OPS .700 2 - OPS .750 3 - OPS .925 4 - OPS 1.000 5 - OPS .925 6 - OPS .800 7 - OPS .800 8 - OPS .750 9 - .OPS .700 If the lineup is capable of that, this offense will be solid and consistent. The #1, #8, and #9 spots killed any consistency the Sox could have had last year, and Iguchi going into the tank for a month didn't help either. The rotation has to put up a collective ERA of around 4.25-4.50. And the bullpen has to be good. If all of the above happens - and it's realistic - the Sox should be atleast an 87-92 win team with the potential for more. Whether Cleveland finally puts it together this year or not is a completely different story. Going against what I said not that long ago, the Indians do have the capability of winning 95+ games, potentially even into triple digits. It's a matter of whether or not they finally put it all together. (as a baseball fan, I'd also wish they would find a real leadoff hitter and get Sizemore out of that role, but if it takes away a few runs from them, all the better)

QUOTE(T R U @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 11:38 PM) We have 3 boxers, use to have 10 but we gave 6 of them away.. the f*** kind of math they teach you down there at Sam Houston? it sucks

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 26, 2007 -> 10:46 AM) There's a ton of great catches that come on terrible coverage, that's never stopped them in the past. If it were anyone else regardless of the CB ability that catch would be getting major play from ESPN. Like Wite said if Bernard had a crazy personality like most of the WR in the game this wouldn't even be an issue. If Marvin Harrison were 20 catches and 200 yards a year worse, he would never get coverage. I mean, did you realize that the Colts have Reggie Wayne too? Harrison's numbers are too good for him to be ignored, because otherwise he would be.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 26, 2007 -> 09:26 AM) Whenever you guys start a new one, count me in. I can't take over a team in 2015 though. that

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 26, 2007 -> 12:27 AM) You know that Berrian catch is easily one of the greatest catches ever by a Bears receiver and has to be one of the best in Playoff history I'm just surprised (or maybe I'm not) that it's really not getting much national pub. I suppose if it were Chad Johnson or Terrell Owens who made the grab it would be running on a 24 hour cycle on ESPN2 it's just a damn shame that Bernard isn't getting a little more publicity for one of the greatest catches I've ever seen. It's because he hasn't given himself a self-proclaimed nickname or b****ed at coaches while then following it up with an Irish jig (otherwise known as the Ashlee Simpson two-step) in the endzone. If he was like "YO CALL ME BB, CUZ I'M AS FAST AS A BB OUT OF A GUN" or some other stupid s*** such as that, then he would be loved by everyone from ESPN and his clip would be considered one of the best of all time. It's the same general philosophy that makes Uribe's into-the-stands catch in game 4 inferior to Derek Jeter's dive into the stands, even though only one of them caught the ball WHILE in the stands.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 04:48 PM) On a sidenote, on Inside the NFL last night the quartet really really ripped into Belliceck for what they called his lack of losing in a respectable manner. They were talking about how he's no doubt one of the greatest coaches in the league but that it shows a lot about his character when you lose the way he did. In addition they really made it seem like Belliceck never in fact talked to Peyton and that Peyton just mentioned his name in passing because Peyton probalby didn't want it to be a story during these next 2 weeks. And I got to admit, after seeing the clip a couple times, it was a pretty crappy job Belly did. In addition the analysts on Inside the NFL ripped into him for the way he treated the media during the post game conference. Take it for what it is worth though. Afterall, Carter called the Bears a terrible team earlier in the year (and apparently ripped into Grossman big time off the set and the other three really let him hear it about that). Wish I was able to see it, because it would have been an interesting piece to see. They are right on the money.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 12:24 PM) Recievers don't really take the beating that linemen do. My thoughts are that this is a cub PR move and he will take the guaranteed money of the NFL. This deal allows him the latitude of dealing with organizations that will take a risk and spend money ala Bo Jackson and John Elway. Pitchers dont really take the beating that receivers do either. And if he goes to the NFL before his deal is up, he'd likely have to return almost all of the money he has been given by the Cubs back to the organization. He likely isn't going to play two sports, and he's not just going to steal $8 million from the Cubs.

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 02:12 PM) yeah, but if Zambrano takes them to the Cleaners, 20Million 6 years ($120 Million) they would be weighted down by way way heavy contracts, with Soriano also Zambozo is DUE for an injury. Book it. I see 7/$154 or something in that neighborhood, but maybe I'm crazy and I like to predict everything high. Maybe he likes the Cubs and he signs for Zito money. I doubt he would, but it's an extreme outside shot, and he'll be rich as hell regardless.

QUOTE(Axl_sued_me @ Jan 25, 2007 -> 08:36 PM) Jim Rome did not interview Ozzie Gullien. He just played a soundbyte on his show from the actual interview. So how bored were you that you listened to Jim Rome? Wouldn't you rather repeatedly run into a wall or something slightly more educational?