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QUOTE(easyw @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 08:22 PM) Dave Roberts -age 34. 2005 - BA .275 OBP .356 2006 - BA .293 OBP .360 sPods - age 30 2005 - BA .290 OBP .351 2006 - BA .261 OBP .330 Neither of these guys has what it takes to be a leadoff hitter in the big leagues. You should hit at least .300 with an OBP of .400. lol

If Alou is signed for, say, 1/$6, and he receives anywhere from 300-400 ABs off the bench as a 4th OFer/platoon partner, he's easily worth it, because he's always going to hit. However, I doubt he accepts an offer where he isn't starting.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) The Forbes numbers don't come out until right before opening day. Damn you Forbes...come out today I see it somewhere between $110-120 on the year, probably right around $116 or so. You've saved some money for a potential addition to the club midseason, while also adding probably $16 mill in payroll(meaning the Sox could have somewhere around $26 mill to play around with after dealing a starter).

QUOTE(beautox @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 11:33 AM) a better example maybe? what about the marlins yes its the NL but they broke in Olsen, Nolasco, Johnson, even though Nolasco was eventually replaced by Sanchez. I think we could break in...Haeger in '07 and still be just as competitive as we were in '06, if not more so. Haeger will not be in the rotation, so that thought can be forgotten. If there are two "rookies" in the rotation - seeing as how McCarthy is not a rookie to the MLB but rather just the rotation - it would be McCarthy and Pelfrey or someone of the ilk who can be dominant night in and night out. Haeger is a swingman, nothing more.

Are the exact revenue numbers out for 2006 yet or not? If they were, I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to see roughly how much the Sox have to spend.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 09:58 AM) Our pitching needs to improve, not our offense. 2006 should have taught you how much more important pitching is. And the pitching wouldn't improve in that scenario?

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 07:24 PM) How does that help us next year? If we have 2 rookies starting in our rotation, we are in 3rd place no matter how many runs we score. The Sox would have 3 good starters(3 of the 5 would be good, and I think you can pretty much count on that), along with a better offensive club due to the freed money as well as a deeper and more reliable bullpen...I think it'd help us. Now, if you're not getting Pelfrey, then you can't trade 2 starters. So basically what I'm saying is that 2 starters really won't be traded.

QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 08:37 AM) Yeah, cuz 93.9 is the only station we have. that is what I have heard. sucks

ARod to Boston, Manny to Texas Maggs and McCarthy to Boston, Garciaparra and Williamson to the White Sox of course, than Sox fans would have gotten to enjoy Juan Gonzalez in RF

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 12:43 AM) So, the difference between a 75% SB clip and a 68% SB clip, in 59 attempts, is 4 stolen bases. If Podsednik had been 44/59, you'd say he was ok? He'd basically have been Figgins with the bat and on the bases then. 4 stolen bases would have made that big of a difference so as to justify trading away something valuable, and potentially helping the Angels out in the process, in order to get Figgins? The only way plugging in Figgins makes sense is if you think he'll have a major rebound season next year. Yes he's better defensively, but he's not going to come to us for free, nor is he going to come as an even-trade for Podsednik, nor is he a free agent. First of all, I'm not entirely sure those numbers include the number of times he was picked off. I don't believe it does, and Podsednik was picked off the bases way too many times this year. Secondly, yes, regarding base stealing, Podsednik would have been fine in my book had he been 44/59 in steals. All I care for in base stealers is that they are at, or around, 75%; else, they are hurting their ballclubs. I was also never advocating bringing Figgins to the Sox. I was merely mentioning why he was a better option than Podsednik, nothing more.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 12:07 AM) You should care what the stats say. The stats say that in terms of getting on base, Figgins is a downgrade from Podsednik last year. Your opinion of Podsednik, like apparently a lot of Sox fans, is overly emotion-based. Frustrated from his not having a great year last year. Nonetheless, there are very few other elite speed-merchants in the game like Podsednik. A few of them are ones that have been mentioned as possibly coming to the Sox: Pierre, Figgins, D. Roberts. Of them, as frustrating as it was to see Pods struggle day and and day out, Pierre and Figgins did virtually no better a job at getting on base. We just didn't have to watch them every day. Pierre and Pods had identical OBPs of .330 last year, but Pierre will be asking for 78 gabillion dollars in free agency. Figgins sucked ass even worse as a lead-off man, and overall had only a .336 OBP. The only one who had a markedly better year was Roberts. .293 avg .360 OBP 49SB and a .292 avg against lefties. It is possible that Podsednik is 4th best of these. What will happen next year? I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. Which of these players will have a year like they did in '05? '06? Is it worth it to gamble that Pierre (who had the exact same OBP as Pods) will be so much better than Pods to give him 4 or 5 million dollars more than Pods? Really? In '05 Pods played 33 fewer games than Pierre, but stole 2 more bases. What would we have to give up to get Figgins? Too much, so as to make it not worth it? Probably. Roberts would likely be relatively cheap in free agency, had a better year last year. What is the liklihood he'll be more injury-free than Pods next year? I don't know. Nobody knows. What nobody has mentioned. Why are we not trying to get Ryan Freel from the Reds? Why are we not trying to get Ryan Freel, who the Reds would not even play every day? Why are we not trying to get Ryan Freel who made $1.5 million last year and who the Reds would not play every day and who plays many positions in the infield and outfield and who plays like goddamn Rowand and who stole 37 bases and had a .371 OBP last year? Chone Figgins had a horrible year, but he straightened himself out eventually and started to hit better late in the year. He was also 52 of 68 in SBs, right around 76%. Juan Pierre was mediocre as hell, but he too atleast stole bases. 58/78, right around 74%. Podsednik was horrendous in the second half, and was 40/59 in SBs, or 68%, which is absolutely pitiful. Add to the fact that he was completely horrible defensively too, and I'd rather have Rickey Henderson leading off next year for the Sox rather than Podsednik. Once Ryan Freel was given a starting job after the Nats trade, he put up an OBP of .325 in August, and a .311 OBP in September, along with the fact that he's a lunatic.

QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) 93.9 in Chicago has started playing Christmas music!! For once in my life, thank God I don't live in Chicago

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 09:53 PM) Viz lost innings because he wasnt as effective and Ozzie only used him sparingly because of how bad he was when he was outt there in pressure situations. Pitches 1-15 = 2.60 ERA, 1.36 WHIP Pitches 16-30 = 4.15 ERA, 1.48 WHIP When he pitched multiple innings and threw quite a few pitches, he was mediocre. When he came in fresh and threw 1 inning at a time - or less than that - he was quite solid. You "knew" that. I personally saw value in a middle reliever who could eat innings, and many others did too.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 11:04 PM) Also good news. It's been 55/45 all night long, so I see no reason why that would change. Makes me feel a little better too, knowing the radicals for Pro-Life will be left disappointed. (and that's not any particular person on here; that'd be me referring to those advertising pictures of aborted fetuses on billboards around campus here)

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 04:32 PM) Yes, going forward for the next few years, it would have been nice to have a couple of AAA options, and a season with BMAC starting. But for 2006, the best plan was to do what we did. It didnt work out, but you cant honestly say that you werent pretty happy about replacing Viz, who we all hated in the pen and basically was worthless by the end of 2005, and Duque who had no business pitching in the AL at all this year, and was likely to get hurt anyway. From these two pieces we didnt really want, and a promising but unproven prospect we received a pitcher who has the ability to be an ACE Sp for our drive to repeat. Before the season started, it looked like a GREAT deal. Vizcaino became more valuable because of his second half with his 2.60 ERA, 1.27 WHIP in 27.2 IP. Ozzie got smart and realized that Viz got shelled after he had already been out there, and thus he limited the number of innings he was in. He had a rocky September, putting up a 1.77 WHIP, but he didn't allow the runs to score, and the guys behind him didn't either. I also am not entirely sure if Duque would have gotten hurt coming out of relief. It seemed to be the number of innings he put on his arm is what hurt him the most, and that would have limited the innings he put on it. Also I recall several people questioning the move the second it was made, especially with McCarthy already in the fold and Duque in the pen as a swingman.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 03:05 PM) Trade Thome, Konerko, and Podsednik, then sign Bonds (DH), Sosa (LF), and Palmeiro (1B). Let's talk McGwire out of retirement, and then trade for Schilling too. Then put a picture of Thomas up on the jumbotron for the entire season. Yay Congressional Hearing White Sox

QUOTE(cgaudin @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 03:07 PM) I'm aghast that this was even rumored. I know KW is forgiving and likes to give guys second chances, but Sheffield is the Terrell Owens of baseball. No phawking way should he be allowed to even get near the Sox clubhouse. So what would be wrong with having a top 3 player at his position on the team, even if his character is a bit questionable? Gary Sheffield is not TO. TO is a clown and a distraction, but he's not a complete dickhead who has probably cheated in the past.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) I agree with you here but I'm trying to figure out which teams could be a possible "Team X." I see the Mets and Rangers as possible players for Zito and Schmidt. Yankees will probably go after Maz and Andy Pettitte, but even if they lose out I can't see a match between us and the Yanks unless A-Rod is involved (and who knows with that). I guess we could always try to spin a SP to teams who lose their starters in free agency (i.e. A's with Zito, Giants with Schmidt, or Astros w/Pettitte or possibly Clemens). I don't see either the Mets or Rangers being players for Schmidt or Zito, as from everything I've read, all signs indicate Zito wanting to stay on the West Coast, as well as the Mets having said they have no interest in Zito. Also, I haven't seen where the Rangers have stated that they will spend more money in free agency this year, atleast in regards to starting pitching. And I'm not sure why the Mets would have interest in going after another injury prone, early to mid 30s starter...they have already been burned by it once. Regarding which teams could be Team X, other than the Rangers or Mets...Phillies, Cardinals, Dodgers, and possibly the Orioles, Reds, Brewers, Mariners, and Red Sox, among other potential suitors. There will be a huge market for starters. QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) More valuable to whom? THIS year, which is all that mattered before the season started, Vaz was much more valuable than Chris Young. I know you would have really wanted his .386 SLG on this year's team and all, but I preferred the already established MLB pitcher. Would McCarthy have been more valuable in the rotation, along with the money saved, along with Young being on the team? Let's not act like trading for Vazquez allowed the Sox a security blanket with McCarthy moving to the bullpen. They traded Duque in the Vazquez deal. Had the deal not gone down, they still would have had Duque and Vizcaino in the bullpen, along with Young in AAA/MLB to go with McCarthy in the rotation. If both Duque and McCarthy were horrible 5th starters...which I would have found pretty hard to believe...then the Sox would have been in trouble, and probably would have had to make a deal for a starting pitcher at the deadline. With all the questions surrounding BA at this point, Young would look really nice waiting in the wings as a potential replacement.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 02:39 AM) the same could be said for "Cy" McCarthy who made that comparison?

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 5, 2006 -> 10:42 PM) If the Rangers would take Garcia for Young, I'm 100 pct confident that KW would drive Garcia down to Arlington. Then who does he trade, Uribe or Iguchi? Why would he trade for a middle infielder - who's better suited for the 2 or 3 hole - when the two main holes that must be filled on the MLB team are LF/leadoff hitter and the bullpen? I can see Young being a leadoff hitter for the Sox, but I'm just not sure where he fits. Iguchi could be traded with Young put at 2B, but that's a flatout cold business move and one that's not really necessary. If Uribe's traded, the middle infield defense instantly becomes mediocre, which will lead to just as many high ERAs on the staff as last year, considering how defensive dependant the starters are. I'm just not sure how it fits for either team in that regard. It's also a bit interesting how much better Young really has hit in Ameriquest. Seeing how spacious it is, there's no real surprise why. I dunno, I just think there are a lot of red flags when looking at not only Young, but the lack of value the Sox would be getting for Garcia in a year where SP is needed all over. If you find the right offer, you are looking at probably 2 top 5-10 prospects, which in my mind, is more valuable than Michael Young, especially if a hole appears on the big league club this year and fixing it becomes a necessity. QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 6, 2006 -> 12:28 AM) As well as dumping an unneeded salary, I agree. You dump more salary by trading Garcia for 2 prospects. Add to the fact that I invision the Sox payroll being around $112 mill or so next year, and that becomes completely moot.

QUOTE(BainesHOF @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 11:29 AM) Crede is a great fielder, but he's not the best third baseman in the American League. Apparently it's a good thing Sox fans don't vote for the award because the winners would be worse than they are now. Crede didn't necessarily deserve the gold glove, but he deserved it more than Chavez did, that's for sure. If I had it my way, Crede/Inge/Lowell would have won it at 3B, and anyothershortstopintheAL would have won it instead of Jeter.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 5, 2006 -> 11:21 PM) 35 passes, 32 runs 4 picks, 1 fumble lost Now obviously, the 5 turnover game is why NE lost, they beat themselves too as 3 of the turnovers were just unforced errors, but Belichick did a bad job tonight too. There is no excuse to throw it 35 times and only run it 32 against that Indy defense, which high schools could run against. Really, going with a balanced offensive attack is not a smart plan, especially when your quarterback is as good as Tom Brady is? That pretty much surprises the hell out of me. It's also not easy to run the ball when you are losing by 2 scores, which New England was for much of the 4th quarter. Also, it's not like New England tore up the ground. Of the 32 runs, they had 4 rushes that went for 10 or more yards, with the longest being a 17 yard run by Maroney. The Colts did a pretty good all-around job at shutting down the run tonight.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 11:31 PM) Aboz, in section 13 of the MLB-Japan agreement, it states the MLB Comissioner can oversee the bidding process, and can revoke the highest bidder's negotiation rights and give it to the next highest bidder all for "the best interests of professional baseball." That is disturbing as hell to me.