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QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jan 15, 2006 -> 07:55 PM) Tillman played like crap today, but the way Steve Smith has been playing this year I'm not sure that anybody can cover them. Steve Smith is a good WR in a great offense for a #1 receiver. Ask Moose how good the offense is for the #1 receiver. He is not a Randy Moss going off. You just always have to have a man on him that can cover him. Personally...I am still under the belief that Tillman is a good #2 CB, but he shouldn't be a #1. The problem with the Bears in this case is that both Vasher and Tillman are in that same area. Lovie screwed up today and had too much faith in Tillman, and it smoked the Bears.

I like the fact that every Sox starting pitcher last year started atleast as many, if not more, games than Kerry Wood has in the past 2 seasons combined. I also liked Maddux's 4.24 ERA last year.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jan 15, 2006 -> 07:38 PM) Kill Tillman, then kill him again and again and again. Then let Chuck Norris give him a roundhouse kick. Just throw Tillman into Norris' beard. The beard will devour him in 2.34 seconds.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 12:10 PM) 5. Mike Morse, ss (Garcia) Cooled off after blazing big league start, then got suspended for steroids I didn't know he was a steroid guy. I have no idea where I have been. WOW! He's pretty much huge on steroids. I believe 2 positives for roids in the minors along with another in the majors. He claims that the last positive was because steroids was still in his system from his second positive in the minors.

Go Thurman

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 11:40 AM) Drew Bledsoe would have done horrible as QB of the Bills in 2005. Buffalo gave up 43 sacks last year with 2 quarterbacks, one who is significantly more mobile than Bledsoe and one who is somewhat more mobile than Bledsoe. Dallas gave up 50 sacks, and I think they have a better O-Line than the Bills by quite a bit. Bledsoe would have spent half the game on the ground if he was still in Buffalo, just like he did the year before. Going with Losman was the right decision. Quarterbacks take time to develop, and when you first put them into a game, they're going to struggle. Some more than others. That team had a decent shot to do what the Bears did last year, but their defense fell apart, which was the real problem. They went from being one of the top defenses in the league to one of the worst defenses in the league in 1 year. Pretty much this. Losing Pat Williams was big, and then losing Spikes very early in the season was a huge loss for the Bills too.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 11:31 AM) Twins are f***ed, they should rebuild IMO The Twins are probably a year away from having a rotation as good as the White Sox, and their bullpen will almost always have live arms in it. Rebuilding would be dumb. Retooling would be smart.

Embree had some bone chips removed from his elbow after the season. Kinda makes this signing a pretty good one, because he could be ready for a bounce back year.

Per Rotoworld

QUOTE(TheHammer @ Jan 10, 2006 -> 08:19 PM) For what it is worth, Abreu isn't just another RFer, he is a boarderline HOF caliber RFer. He is having a HOF career in a small market. If that offer was really made to us I am a little disappointed that we didn't take it. He could hit 50 HRs in the cell No he couldn't. He's hit 30 homers in a season twice in his career, while never hitting more than 31. He's not going to hit 50 anywhere any time soon, unless the Newark Bears suddenly have $15 mill a year to offer him.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 04:36 PM) 1. As the title of the post states, and as my #84 post reiterated, the Sox need to re-sign Contreras to an extension if the they want to entertain the Vazquez trade that I suggest. And there is every reason to do so. They also have every reason in the world not to resign Contreras, while keeping Vazquez, and inserting McCarthy into the 5th slot in the rotation. The plan looks pretty clear to me right now...you will have 5 starters locked up for a very long time that are all very good pitchers. If your #5 starter(Vazquez this year, McCarthy next) could be your #1 come playoff time, I think you have accomplished your goal. Why mess with that? So if Contreras goes back to being the mediocre pitcher he was before 2005, the Sox suddenly can't replace that? I don't agree with your logic at all...Buehrle pitched very well in the postseason, Garcia did as well, Garland did as well...but was it the almighty Jose Contreras who put a spell on them to pitch well, and when he is gone, they will turn into s***ty pitchers come postseason time? I seriously am wondering what the hell you're trying to say there, or if you are seriously trying to actually say what you are actually trying to say. Jose Contreras is probably already pitching into his 40s, so congratulations, he can indeed pitch into his 40s. That doesn't mean the Sox should invest $13 million in him, thus losing Buehrle and not being able to reach contract extensions with Iguchi and Crede, and perhaps others in the pen and on the bench. Great idea So what's that say about Javier Vazquez? What's it say about Brandon McCarthy? What's it say about Jon Garland? What's it say about Freddy Garcia? There is one pitcher on the Sox worth $13 million to the Sox, and that is Mark Buehrle, for almost an unlistable amount of reasons, though some would be reaches. BAnd, 2005 - .295 16 57 .360/.469/.829, 115 K/44 BB in 492 PAs. Borchard, 2003 - .272 20 59 .349/.498/.847 139 K/49 BB 487 PAs They appear similar, however, there are 3 differences I view as key. First, Anderson hit at a higher clip than Borchard did, thus proving more contact between bat and ball, thus suggesting atleast a somewhat shorter swing. Secondly, Borchard struck out about 25 more times than Anderson did in 5 fewer plate appearances...against suggesting less contact from Borchard due to a longer swing. Finally, from everything I've heard about Anderson, his defense should be good enough that it by itself will be worth the downgrade offensively from Rowand, little as it is, and the addition of Thome will only help that. Contreras almost undoubtedly will not sign an extension, and I would be surprised as hell if he did, and it has not been agreed upon fully by every party in White Sox universe that Javier Vazquez is the weakest part of the starting 5...I for one have said over and over that I feel Vazquez is arguably 3rd best starter, assuming Contreras does not tank next year, yet you have apparently failed to acknowledge the fact. Almost every sign in the book indicates a strong rebound for Vazquez next year, yet you have failed to acknowledge this. KW has wanted this guy F-O-R-E-V-E-R, and while you have acknowledged this, I'm not real sure how much you are understanding it. If KW trades Vazquez after wanting him for so long and then finally getting him, I'm going to be very surprised. He would have to be getting atleast double the value of what he gave up for Vazquez back in return, and odds are very good the GM will ever give that up. I could also see it as a dumb move, guaranteeing that much money into 1 slot, thus not allowing any flexibility whatsoever if a hole were to arise, thus having to go with old veterans and young, mediocre talent fighting for spots on teams and struggling to hit .220 in June. No one wants that on their team, and KW sure as hell doesn't want it...thus he tries as hard as possible to have no holes in his lineup at all, and spreads the money out on a pretty fair balance as he sees...most of it going to starting pitching. If Contreras leaves and Garcia goes down for whatever reason...how friggin screwed are the Sox? You can't just retrade Abreu, because you are then putting a hole in your OF too, depending upon whether you were playing Abreu in CF or RF, because Dye is likely gone by that point. The Sox were a mediocre team with that type of philosophy...don't you remember? Maggs, Caballo, Valentin? The rotation was garbage, and a lot of that had to do with too much money tied up in the offense, which is probably one of the most overrated parts of a baseball team. The more runs you can prevent scoring, the fewer runs you need to score...that is the brains behind KW's basic plan right now. Pitching and defense. Great idea, let's destroy our farm system a little more than we already have this offseason, perfect. Allow no depth whatsoever for the future.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 09:02 AM) It's the Sox torch, not Franks of which I speak. And most of you were not alive when I went to my first Sox game. Well Frank is gone, and someone will be the face of the organization, and that will be Paul. However you want to phrase it is y'alls choice. And to be honest, Frank could never carry Baines' torch who couldn't carry Fisk's torch, so all is cosistent in the universe. Well said. There are always certain characteristics about players that makes us love them. I never watched much of Baines or Fisk, but is seemed like Fisk had a knack for the dramatics, he busted his ass and killed his knees just to play baseball...I don't know how that man can even walk nowadays. Baines seemed like a real lovable, quiet guy who you just couldn't not like. Thomas was amazing with a bat, and his ability to produce alone brought respect for him. Paulie seems to be a little bit of all of them.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 07:08 AM) Yeah I gotta believe in the guys who saw Josh play multiple times vs anyone who is just looking at his stats on this one. If they think he is ready, I would tend to agree with them over any statgeeks. Statgeeks can make decent projections, assuming they are using the right stats. Using a full season's stats to determine where a player should be playing is not a great idea. Using split stats from month to month is a better idea, and using peripheral stats(walks, K's, doubles) also helps. It does also help to see them play and see if they look ready for AAA.

So WTF does Buffalo do now? Call up Marv again?

If he like, wouldn't want to go to Houston, shouldn't he just call Archie?

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 07:00 PM) I think you like the idea of getting little in return for a lot? Contreras is a #1 pitcher on many staffs and most certainly was for the last couple months or so for the Sox The Sox have 6 starters. Contreras makes around $6-8 million. HE GONE after the season. He can't be offered arbitration. Getting something for him instead of nothing isn't a horrible idea.

I don't see a weak spot. I don't see a hell of a lot of strength...but I don't see a weak spot. You could have said the exact same thing about the White Sox last year, and while the Sox had other factors helping them that the Orioles won't, I don't think the Orioles offense is bad.

If Hermanson can't go, and a veteran does not make it out of ST, I'm hoping and praying it is Bajenaru that makes it. Partly because he is a Soxtalk poster, but also because he has been dominant in the minors the past 2 years. I want the Sox to give him a shot very, very badly. Just gotta hope he pitches his ass off and makes the team.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) Again, I was related to a lot of guys named Hans.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) Outside of all the SABR stats being spun out. Lets get back to common sense. Why would we get rid of Vazquez when he is under control for the next few years, and Contreras is not. Are we really advocating giving Contreras 13 million a year over a few years. How old is he again. How many great years has he had. He was great in the second half of last year. He was a horse in the playoffs. However we do not have monopoly money here. If you sign Conteras for this goofy amount of money, Kiss Buerhle goodbye. Because how much do you think your best horse is going to cost you. I would rather spend that type of money on Buerhle over spending it on Contreras. Agreed very much so. If Philadelphia wants a starter that badly, and Gillick views Abreu as his biggest chip, it's Contreras plus a prospect or nothing at all if we are talking Abreu here. The Sox do NOT need to make the upgrade - I personally feel if all is said and done that the Sox would be better without it, for reasons not including offense - so no mater how you look at it, the Sox have the leverage in the deal. If KW were to trade Contreras, he would need to get absolute full value out of him, and perhaps more...he's said that already a couple times. He sees no reason to move Contreras at all, but knows he has the depth and flexibility to do so if he gets a good enough offer. I have said it once before, KW has put himself in a wonderful position.

Wanne responding to Springfieldfan in the News on Podsednik and Dye thread SFF Wanne I watched 20 episodes of Beavis and Butthead over the weekend, so you can kind of understand why I thought it was pretty funny.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 12:17 PM) I hate when that happens! With a hernia...mostly depends on the extent and where it's at.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Jan 11, 2006 -> 02:38 PM) the verdict is still out on whether we upgraded the team. if thome isnt healthy in sept/oct, if we dont see an emerging CF with steady performance as AROW, if something happens to Cotts then we will feel the loss of Damaso, & the innings contribution from Vizcaino will definitely be missed imo. anyway it will be fun to see if the risks KW pulled justify the return. If Thome goes back to being the power bat he is, if Contreras continues to pitch like he did last year, if Vazquez rebounds like I think he will, if Brian Anderson hits .270 with 20 homers, 20 steals, an .820 OPS, and gold glove defense, if Pods gets on at a .380 clip, if Iguchi has a better sophomore season than rookie season, if Crede hits very well this year...the Sox are a 120 win team.

Going into last year the Sox were like 2nd...behind the Cubs. Of course the White Flag trade was mentioned.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jan 10, 2006 -> 03:25 PM) This is starting a bad precedence in the league. Now every time a coach has a bad season, he can just decide to jump ship and move on in the middle of a contract. What kind of league would the NFL be if all the players and coaches on bad teams did this every year? No he can't. If the team doesn't want him to leave, and he's under contract with the team, the team owns all of his rights.