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Oh no, you beat me to it!

Update on the Twinkies game: Going to the bottom of the 9th, Twins still down 4-3

And it is a two team race... ...for now

I think you just did, but go ahead and say it again.

You are right. I am playing you. You better prepare for an ass-kicking by the last place team! But I got Thomas, so it's over right now. WSF wins

It takes Joe a 3-for-3 night to raise his average above .200. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I am very pleased with the overall attitude of the team. I have no doubt that this team would be below .500 and quite possibly even in last place if JM was managing. The fact that we are a .5 game out of first place with this team shows what Oz-ball has done for this team. Kudos Oz. Offensively, I've been disappointed with Lee and Crede. Crede has looked like s*** at the plate, and looking like s*** at the plate in the major leagues is not good. He needs to make a serious adjustment in a hurry. However, I think I'm actually more disappointed in Carlos. IMO, he just has not been the player we have needed him to be. For $6 mill a year, he should atleast be hitting his weight with RISP....IIRC, he's not even hitting MY weight(and I weigh about 150). Rowand not hitting in those types of situations is not good, but considering that he is making less the $500,000 a year, I can handle it, so long as his average is decent, he hits a few homers, and plays above average defense with an above average arm. Pitching-wise, the only disappointment I've seen is Dan Wright, but placing the blame on him is really not fair. I would much, much rather have a solid #5 with Wright in the pen then having him start. He is ugly as a starter, and IMO, with a good #5(a good #5 is not keeping your team in the ballgame, it's giving your team a chance to win, and there is a difference(atleast to me). Keeping your team in the ball game means you only give up 3 or 4, and in some cases 5 runs, regardless of how your team does offensively...giving your team a chance to win means you throw a shutout if your team isn't scoring, and if the team is scoring, letting home a few runs is not a huge deal...at the very least, I want my #5 to be able to pitch 6-7 innings on any given day, regardless of whether he gives us 6 runs, 4 runs, 2 runs, or no runs). What would have been wrong with signing Pat Hentgen or Rick Helling? I've also been surprised and yet disappointed in Koch this year at the same time. The guy's stuff looks like it's almost coming back, yet he is still very, very hittable. He has no command on the mound. Having command is much more important then having velocity. Joe Borowski throws it 91-93, yet gets people out, without a huge snapdragon breaking ball. Billy Koch throws it 94-96, yet does NOT get people out. What gives? I think Koch is worrying too much about the 2 numbers that come up on the radar screen...he wants it to reach 3 numbers like it did 2-3 years ago. He does not and should not need to worry about that. He should worry about making good pitches and getting guys out. Basically, I want him to pitch, not throw.

Shhh...I was going to ask her in private

Ken Rosenthal wrote about the Twins, and the day the article is posted the Twins lost 6-1 and only got 2 hits. And now Peter Gammons writes about us? (knocks on wood)

Actually that's exactly when we planned on going if we were to go. My dad wanted to go mid-summer, but couldn't because he has a bunch of stuff planned for those series's. We are looking at May 22nd and 23rd(a Satuday and Sunday). Not sure if we have the tickets yet though. I'm hoping my dad makes up his mind soon though.

You are right that there is a point when you have to just look at the situation and sit down and seriously consider whether or not that will be good for your team not only in the present, but also the long term and what effects it could have. Maybe Cotts and Honel is too much...I'm at the sit down part of it, and haven't looked. The more I think about it however, the more I think we are safer trading for Palmeiro from Baltimore. Makes less money, will cost the franchise less in terms of prospects, and is still quite effective(think of it as getting Dwayne Wade in the NBA draft instead of LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony). That trade would potentially be Lee straight up for Palmeiro, and if Baltimore would accept that deal, I would do it right now. Given, they are still in the race, so we should wait until June or July and make the deal(once again, assuming Baltimore is out of it). We'd then have to find a different location for Konerko immediately. Having Konerko, Thomas, and Palmeiro on your team is very inefficient and would not be good for the team. You then have no leverage and take the best offer you can for Konerko(for example...Darin Erstad straight up for Konerko...not that I would be in favor of it...but Erstad is a solid hitter, though overpaid, and Konerko would take over 1B for them). We then put Erstad in LF, and while I don't like him much there(injuries), I would imagine that he wouldn't get banged up too badly out there. And if he does, we have the already infamous Jeremy Reed waiting in the wings. Considering both of those scenarios...I would feel better about the offense with Delgado in the lineup(about .320 45 140 1.000-1.100 OPS a year from the LH side of the plate? I'll take it, thanks very much), but you have to consider what we could do with Palmeiro too. We get Palmeiro straight up for Lee(which is IMO very possible), trade Konerko straight up for Erstad(with a prospect here or there), and all of a sudden, you are looking at having the room to take on the Big Unit, with the only thing Arizona having to do is take on Erstad and his contract(Unit's making about $10.5 mill a year...take that $10.5 mill and subtract that $8 mill you get from Erstad, and you are looking at $2.5 mill. the difference between Lee and Palmeiro's salaries is about $3 mill, with Lee making about $6 or $6.5 mill and Palmeiro making about $3 mill. Not only do we have room to take on RJ, but we actually have room to add another reliever too, something JR would be very happy with).

Personally, I don't think he ever will get there. I can see him being a guy that you want pitching for you, and you even want him pitching for you in big games...you just don't view him as an ace. Basically, if he is your ace, you can start thinking about the offseason. A solid #2 or a very good #3 pitcher. He could become an ace, but he'd have to improve a hell of a lot in a short amount of time(2-3 years or so).

No I have not seen the Sox at Comiskey/US Cell I've seen 4 White Sox games in Minnesota though.

I'm quite sure we'll have to face Halladay. He threw yesterday against Baltimore

Last year was the first year since 2000 that we were trading FOR players at the deadline; the first time we were BUYERS. In 01 and 02 we were trading players away after having horrendous first halfs of both seasons(started out about 14-29 in 01, and were 10 games below .500 come July in 02), so we had little shot of doing anything. Even considering that, we only lost about 6 A ball minor leaguers last year and then 2 AAA players(Bittner and Hummel) last year. What stripped down our farm system was a new GM with the reins as well as injuries. Myette for Clayton was the first one and I'm quite sure we lost Beirne to Toronto in part of the David Wells deal. Barcelo's career was ruined due to injuries, Rauch's has been stalled by injuries...etc. They were Nardi-ized. However, what I don't think you understand is that I do want pitching, I do thinkwe need pitching. We need another starter...Piniero/Wells/etc. BTW, don't tell the Yankees you win the World Series because of pitching. They forgot that after the 2001 World Series.

All the more reason to do it. Possibly get a good starter plus Delgado? We are almost as set as we can get for the playoffs, and at that point, it is roll the dice and hope it comes up 11 wins for us. The one thing you have to consider about us getting burned badly when talking about Wells is that that move took place in the offseason, when we were NOT in a pennant race. We do it at the deadline, and IMO, it isn't quite as bad, simply because we let it be known that we are playing for the present and not the future. They'll probably take the best offer. If the best offer they receive is Konerko, Lee, Koch, Wing, and Pacheco for Delgado, they have to take it. Given, I do believe it would take Honel and/or Cotts, but I'm just saying. If we make the playoffs and Maggs is resigned. We make the playoffs and we let Maggs go, I can see us resigning Delgado(maybe not at the $15 or $16 mill a year he got in his last contract, but that was back when the market was up like crazy and a guy like Vlad would have gotten $20 mill a year. Hell, Javy Lopez got like $8 mill a year and he was s***ty in his contract year. Charles Johnson had a good contract year, but got money up the ass. Denny Neagle and Mike Hampton both got s***potfuls of money too. Delgado should get $12-14 mill a year in the market as is, so it's like I said - if this deal is made, either Maggs is resigned and Delgado is let loose, or Delgado is resigned and Maggs is let loose. You also have to consider in resigning Esteban too. He should be priority #1, regardless of who we acquire at the trade deadline.

I don't remember

Maybe I'll make one new name once for the next 10 days

But what if I don't do it until tomorrow?

You bastard...I think I'm going to make about 10 names now just to cancel those votes out :finger

Be Good, it's carEer, not carRer. And I picked Losman. No bias there. Seriously, I made a prediction when talking to my friend(who is also a Bills fan) that Losman would be. The kid has the talent, he just needs to work on his footwork and get his s*** together. He does that, and he could be the steal of the draft, even with him being selected as high as he was and how much Buffalo gave up. I think Mularkey will do it too.

I voted F just for the hell of it

I do that deal, especially if we could get a decent reliever in return too. I hate to give up Honel, but I've let it be known several times on here that I am almost always in favor of trading the future for the present. You NEVER let a good opportunity get away. 2003 was a good opportunity, however, 1997 was not. The 2003 team was much stronger then the 1997 team, even though the 97 team was only 3 games out at the time of the White Flag trade, while the 2003 team was 7 games out at the All-Star break. Delgado gives us a huge-ass bat in the middle of the lineup from the LH side of the plate, and that was the one thing we needed in 2000 to almost put us over the top(another good starter would have been nice as well). Go out and get Joel Piniero from Seattle too, and I am happy as hell about the team.

We probably wouldn't have Konerko and would have taken on some of Koch's salary...could have dealt Lee too. Not sure we would have gotten rid of Maggs.

This s*** seems like libel to me. He just goes out and f***ing insults the entire White Sox fan base in an article. This asshole should not only be s***canned, but a Sox fan or a group of Sox fans should throw a lawsuit on this son a b****'s ass. You can say bad things about the Sox and be critical of the decisions they make, and you can even do this to the players to an extent, but to do this to a community or group of private people is morally wrong. I hope this bastard burns in hell. Regardless, this is MORE bulletin board material. What will Jay say if the Sox have a 7-8 game lead at the All-Star break and essentially the division crown, while the Cubs are struggling along in 2nd or 3rd? I cannot wait until the Sox-Cubs series this year. I hope to god we are playing out of our minds at the time and we take all 6 from those jackasses up north and we completely deflate any hope they had of doing anything this year.