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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2014 -> 04:30 PM) Torotno was rumored to be interested in Beckham in the offseason so it really does make sense to send him there. But the problem is...Beckham flat out has to get back to the big leagues and at least play a few games beforehand; with an oblique injury Torotno isn't going to just believe "oh he'll be back in x number of days" because who knows how long he'll really take to be back? He was supposed to be almost back a week and a half ago. You've got to at least get him in a handful of big league ballgames and hopefully have him show a bit of success first, so that he establishes he's not compeltely hampered by the oblique. And unfortunately, that means getting Semien out of the way, at least temporarily. You do need that, but it doesn't have to be a lot. Basically, you need him back and healthy for 2 weeks, and you can even do the Izturis thing with him and play him around the infield a bit. Toronto would take a flyer on him right now if they could get him for a song, but I do agree that they should try and get more than that.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Apr 14, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) Man... the Charlotte Knights are going to be tough to beat this year. I know this is meant tongue in cheek, but I honestly kind of expected the Sox to make the team like that. First of all, the Sox were expected to rebuild and you want as many talented players as possible on that team in the event they get a call up. However, the main reason I thought that was was because Charlotte opened a new park this year and they might want the team to compete this year.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 14, 2014 -> 05:55 PM) I have an awfully hard time with the hate Beckham group many of whom were hating on Alexei last season and the off season. Now that clamor has stopped and it's hate Beckham. Gordon is a good talent and is a top notch defender. He seemed to be coming around with the bat and then gets injured. Let's give this stuff time to shake out. I like Semien over L Garcia for the super sub role although some think he might benefit from another tear in the minors. As a super IF sub Semien would get lots of playing time I think Some hate Beckham, but it's been pretty rational and calm in this thread. The fact of the matter is, Gordon Beckham just isn't a good major leaguer. You just mentioned Josh Fields, but I didn't jump down your throat and say "what's with the Josh Fields hate?" because I also realize that Josh Fields sucks as a major league baseball player. As a person, I think Beckham seems like a badass dude and he seems like a great teammate. As a baseball player, he's not good. Just because Hawk says it does not make it true. Shack, I do feel that Semien puts up considerably better numbers than Beckham this year, and the year of experience makes it more worthwhile. I think about the only area where Beckham could be better is average, but Semien does so many little things that typically go unappreciated that really help make the lineup work much better.

QUOTE (beautox @ Apr 14, 2014 -> 04:29 PM) Agreed he is a known quantity at the ripe old age of 27, he has some limited upside but he would need a full season of non-injured consistent playing time to re-establish and upgrade his trade value. The best case scenario the sox are looking at getting a few live arms. This is my exact take on it. This is the Kevin Youkilis situation in Boston from 2012. Beckham has been with the Sox a long time, but he isn't worth a lot, he's injury prone at this point (even if they're freak incidents, it's hard to consider him anything but injury prone), and everyone and their mother knows the Sox aren't going to bring him back next year with Semien performing well with Matt Davidson, Micah Johnson, and a few others waiting around on top of that. Frankly, I think the best thing the Sox could do for Beckham's value is to pick out good matchups for him and get him experience around the infield. If he gets hot and Semien gets cold, make a move at that point, but Semien is the future and getting him playing time in the majors is the best thing for him right now. Like I said...in the best possible scenario, Beckham is going to come out and put up about a .270/.340/.410 (my .300/.350/.400 earlier really didn't match up with his profile, but I was kind of in a rush), and a team is going to give you a C+ or B- prospect instead of a C prospect, and that's if you're incredibly lucky.

And thus, the Sox complete the Carl Everett circle of life.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 12, 2014 -> 09:45 PM) Apparently none of you actually read the article. Sullivan has been writing nothing but positive Abreu articles for the past few weeks. He's been most of the national coverage, lol. He was just pointing out that it was interesting that the homer was such a cheapie. Let's not act like fanboys, guys. We don't have to get mad at every word about Abreu that doesn't call him a god. Thank you. If nothing else, it's justice or karma or whatever. In the opening series against the Twins, he absolutely murdered a ball to CF that was brought back in because of humid and cold air that only went about 380 feet. In June or July, it clears the CF wall easily. It's OK to have cheap home runs. Cheap ones count just the same as balls that are destroyed.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 14, 2014 -> 10:52 AM) The Sox need to play Beckham in order to create a market to move on from him. Giving him away is a terrible idea. There are not enough at bats for Semien between Beckham on his rehab assignment and Kepp soon to start his. What value? If he comes out and hits .300/.350/.400, are teams really going to be lining up trying to trade for him? I think his value basically is what it is. The most you could do is go from a C prospect to a C+ prospect.

I'd rather the Sox move on from Beckham. He's drawing walks, playing solid defense, and his bat is starting to come around. I also strongly doubt he continues striking out at this current pace.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 13, 2014 -> 07:23 PM) It's not a team where you hit the panic button and do something drastic right now. Try to fix the problem internally, and then if the team is still in it at the break, then do something. Webb should close. I honestly think Webb closing gets a lot of guys in their proper roles. I fully endorse this. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 13, 2014 -> 09:22 PM) Either has Beckham and guess who is 4 years younger? Except that Beckham has proven something to us - in 2400 plate appearances, he's still not a very good hitter. Semien is at least exciting and talented.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) It'd be nice to grab the first two against the Indians. That would match their win total against them for all of last year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 08:19 AM) Billy Beane picks up a $10 million a year closer, which seems to fly against all he believes in, (as much as I think you should not be afraid to pay relievers, $10 million for Jim Johnson doesn't scream value to me at any angle) and said closer loses his closing role after 5 appearances. FanGraphs said they liked the move, even though it was too much for a closer and went against Beane's philosophy basically stating "well he has the money to spend, so he spent it on a closer." I really don't agree with that ideology. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 08:22 AM) I'm sure the Red Sox are keeping their mouth shut because their pitchers do the same and don't want to be scrutinized either. Most teams are hush hush on that because every team does it.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) Sorry. http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...-signs-progress Nothing real specific, but sounds like a week or two til we see Nate again. I did mean it tongue in cheek, but I am genuinely interested in reading this article. I cannot do this right at the moment.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 08:53 AM) What I am saying is just because he had a good game and a half, and one of those games, just about everyone on the team had a great game, doesn't mean he was destined for greatness. If you look at his season so far, defensively, he was about as bad as anyone in baseball, and offensively he had 8 really nice plate appearances. Maybe it was the beginning of his coming out party. Maybe not. Viciedo had a really, really good 10-14 game stretch last season after coming off the DL, and he went back to his free swinging self pretty quickly.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 07:34 AM) So, what does this mean for his recovery/timetable? nvm, just found an article. Well you can't just do that, which article?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) No, you probably didn't misunderstand. Basically, the capsule attaches to the labrum and the labrum attaches to the bone. The labrum is circular and surrounds the area where the humerus meets the glenoid fossa to make the glenohumeral joint. The long head of the bicep tendon attaches to the labrum as well. It very common that when the labrum is torn the capsule is as well. You cannot replace the capsule but what they can do it repair it by either folding it over and stitching it (this is what they did for Danks but is was very loose) or they can use a laser type device to heat it and actually shrink it. In your case the capsule probably stretched enough that they needed to resect some of it and stitch it together. The capsular injuries generally happen in an overuse type scenario where it gradually loosens over time. In this case it is traumatic so if there is damage to the capsule it stretched to the point of failure first. So once the physician goes in to see the damage, they will need to determine which type of repair is necessary, if at all. The way his arm "jammed" into the ground it could have just popped the labrum and minimal capsular damage was incurred. They won't really know until they go in. If I ever meet you, I am buying you a beer.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 08:38 AM) I expected them to be under .500 with him. I think the only chance of the Sox having playoff chances involved him being a monster this year though. Without that as an option, I don't see anyway this team competes for a playoff spot. That's not necessarily bad though. It's fine. Your scope is entirely too narrow. Frankly, I think Viciedo has always been more likely to put up a big year, but that was never going to be likely to begin with. I think they can compete just fine without that big year though too. It's all about pitching. Unfortunately, that has not been where it should be thus far.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 08:23 AM) I don't think they can without Garcia. If they could compete with him, they can certainly compete without him.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 08:50 PM) Sox could have promoted one of the outfielders at Birmingham. Instead we pay for an outfielder from KC org who is hitting .231. I don't get it. /facepalm You're upset because the White Sox got a guy for as close to free as possible per the league guidelines, and someone is upset. Jesus f***ing Christ. If the guy sucks, guess what happens? They don't play him, and he gets released. You mentioned Josh Richmond. Josh Richmond's career minor league splits are such: .245/.321/.408/.728. You know how many games he's played above A ball? 7 games. All this year. ---- Nice depth move, may as well take a chance on talent. I've always liked Gorkys.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 04:47 PM) The need for an impact bat just got greater. If it came down to Rodon, a HS pitcher, or Jackson, I could see the Sox taking Jackson now. I could not. I see them taking a pitcher and all signs indicate that. What I alluded to earlier in the thread is just that there is a non-zero chance they take a hitter. I don't see that happening with this class of pitchers at the top of the draft.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) f*** no. I haven't seen a lot of Garcia in RF, but from what I saw, he did not read the ball well off the bat, did not take good routes, and was pretty slow moving in the outfield even with his good speed. If anything, I think these two are a wash, but I'd honestly probably give Viciedo a slight edge. I'm excited about the talent of Garcia, but I was and have never really been excited about the prospect of Garcia. There were a lot of things he does that are wrong, but the talent is undeniable and the best way to correct those mistakes is to have him play. He can't do that, so it's a huge bummer because we don't know if they're correctable and, if they are, we have to wait a full year for him now to start making those adjustments.

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) The best comment I heard about all of this stuff was basically that we have become very good at repairing this injury that used to eliminate countless players at various ages. On the other hand, we're woefully underinformed on what causes it in the first place in comparison. This is why we suddenly have people re-injuring, which was so unheard of. We fixed it, but we didn't fix the player. We don't know if it was his motion, workload, genetics, all of those things, etc. Treat the symptom, forget the cause.

What I would like to point out is that this definitely opens up plenty of playing time for Viciedo, so we will see once and for all what the Sox have in him. This sucks a big one though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) If I was just a fan of the Bills, I wouldn't be able to get very excited about watching the NFL for the last...15 years. Sorta had to re-adopt the Bears around 03 or so. I am the same. Like I said, I have some rooting interest in the Bears, but I also like following certain players too and just following the NFL in general. Unlike baseball, it's much easier to follow football simply due to the length of the season.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) Charlotte had 16 strikeouts in their loss today. Carlos Sanchez and Matt Davidson lead the way with 3 each. Serious contact issues all over the system. Sanchez striking out is especially troubling. Davidson can at least hit the ball to the moon, Sanchez cannot do that.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 10:35 AM) WHAA??? Dude is an admin on talkbears!! It is possible for people to be fans of multiple teams. For instance, I also enjoy watching the Bears play football, but I am less invested in them.