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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) I'd trade John Danks yesterday if having his little brother, who's bad at baseball, on the team in any way plays a role in if he signs an extension or not. I don't understand why that would even be a big deal for John. His brother has proven to be a pretty terrible baseball player anyways and he may never make it in the majors anyways. If the Sox can get value at all for Jordan Danks, then they should probably do it.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 01:42 PM) Gerardo Parra, Gerardo Parra, Gerardo Parra. is bad, is bad, is bad. .266/.315/.392/.707 line on the year, and he doesn't face lefties. He's a 4th outfielder who has been forced to play too much on a bad Diamondbacks team.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 12:43 PM) I was under the impression that basically all the guys they'd gotten back from Seattle were underperforming, and that Seattle got a much better (Smoak) package back for Lee than they gave up for him. Do you dispute that? To some degree yes, but it's not as if Philadelphia didn't get good prospects back. By most accounts, Smoak is the only true talent in the entire package. Beaven is decent but not great prospect, Leuke is a decent looking relief prospect, and Lawson looks like a platoon player, and the M's also had to give up a decent reliever in Mark Lowe too. Philadelphia got back an incredible talent in Philippe Aumont who is pretty much the definition of a boom or bust prospects (and he's looking more like a bust at this point), JC Ramirez looks like a decent prospect, and Gillies, though he's struggled and been a bit banged up this year. Ultimately, I'd say getting Smoak is a big deal for the Mariners, but you can't make much judgment yet. The Phillies players have struggled a bit this year, though JC Ramirez appears to be having a pretty decent season.

QUOTE (chunk23 @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 01:38 AM) Just remember that Amaro is a grade A moron and that package might actually be pretty attractive No, he's really not. He's made some questionable signings (Ibanez, Polanco, and the Howard extension), but I don't know that he's ever made a questionable trade similar to that. I don't think I would have traded Lee away, but he was smart and kept Dominic Brown and he sorta reloaded his minor league system with the Lee trade.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 11:59 AM) Danks has a slight chance at the Cy Young. Not saying he really deserves it per say (Cliff Lee should definitely get it), but the writers who vote for these things don't always pick the best pitcher. ZiPS RoS has Danks going 6-4 for the rest of the season. They also have him posting a 3.89 ERA. Even if Danks posts that for his next 13 starts, his ERA ends up at 3.48. If Danks goes 6-4, he's going to have 17 wins on the year. If he maintains a ERA around the 3.2-3.3 range, there's a good chance he could get top 5 consideration along with guys like Price, Buchholz, Sabathia, Lee, and Lester. In order for him to win it, he'd need all of those guys to fail really badly. Or he'd need to pitch his ass off, ala Santana from like 04. If he goes all Josh Johnson on the AL from here on out, and lowers his ERA to about 2.75, and wins 18 or so games, he's probably got it in the bag. I'm not going to count on that though.

QUOTE (jhonnydanks @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 08:27 AM) too much negativity. white sox will win the world series! woooo! I'll have what he's having

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 03:39 PM) Hell that's AJ like (this year) with more power. That's pretty much why Flowers is hard to deal at this point...he's a cheap alternative to AJ and he could produce much better offensively. It depends on how the club feels about him handling the pitching staff.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 03:26 PM) I wish we could flip Jenks for some pitching prospects to send to Arizona to facilitate the 3 team trade and land us Dunn. Let Putz be the closer and bring up Sale and/or Torres. If we win it all this year with Putz closing, he'll be more likely to re sign here in the off season. If the Sox win it all with Putz closing, I think that actually diminishes the odds of him coming back. He will be viewed as an elite closer again (for better or worse) and he could ultimately get a monstrous contract, perhaps even 3 years worth. I love Putz and what he's done, but I don't want to think of him in 3 years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) Considering we tore it up basically to the AS break...the only games he'd have mattered in would have been that last road trip. And there are only like 3 of the past 10 games that another bat would have helped, and in 2 of those, the Sox had the lead in the bottom half of the final inning.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 02:47 PM) Wasn't Hudson's expected Major League FIP about 3.60 last season? Yes, but he also had a phenomenal year last year, and also pitched at 4 different levels. I think his projection this year is much more valid simply because he has faced more advanced hitters this year on a consistent basis. He will be a good pitcher. Floyd put up a 3.56 FIP in 2007, with a MLE to 4.28, and in 3 seasons he's pretty much fulfilled that potential and more. If Hudson can maintain some type of growth similar to that, I think he can probably be a 4.50 FIP pitcher next year, and into the 4.00-4.25 FIP in 2012. He's going to go through growing pains though, as most young pitchers do. QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) 0.186/0.280/0.349/0.629 Your starting catcher of the future QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) That's cause he's been terrible this year. Go look at his projections last year. As OzzieBall pointed out a couple weeks ago too, he's been terribly unlucky this year, especially in Charlotte (and he's been a bit lucky on the road, though not to near the extent). If you adjust his statistics for luck this year, he's at .254/.362/.512/.874 on the year, which is probably good for a .725-.750 OPS in the majors. I'm not too worried about Flowers. He seems as though he's going to be a TTO player in the majors (walk, strikeout or homer)...if given the starting job out of Spring next year, I would imagine he'd probably put up something like .220/.300/.425 with close to 20 homers.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 02:35 PM) The reason I didn't say Torres is because I had him included in the hypothetical trade of Hudson + Torres for Dunn in the 3 way trade. With Hudson and Torres gone, I would rather have Tony Pena throw 4-5 innings for us and Linebrink/Sale back him up for 2-3 innings then throw someone like Jeff Marquez or Lucas Harrell up there to pitch. If Torres had trade value, he would have almost certainly been dealt a long time ago. 27 year old pitchers who have mediocre control and less than spectacular stuff have little to no trade value whatsoever. He really doesn't offer anything unique or exciting, and his ceiling is more or less that of a 5th starter or long reliever in the major leagues. He offers little long-term value to any major league club, but does offer depth to the White Sox.

http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/ Type in any player's name, or look through teams' rosters using the team names below. On any player page, click "mle," and it will adjust everything from that players current production to the majors. It's obviously not an exact science (which is best seen in Buck Coats' line, where he has an equivalent overall line of .274/.333/.374/.707 with 2 HR on the year, yet his splits suggest he would have 1 HR against LHP and 2 HR against RHP with a .728 OPS against both), but it gives a pretty good idea of what a player would do. Hudson's MLE FIP is 4.51, for example, so it should be reasonably expected that he will pitch fairly well for the remainder of the season.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 24, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) He needs to. Colvin has been a star since Stone "persuaded" Lou to play him more. Steve Stone called out Lou Piniella on June 9th. From June 10th through today, Colvin has started 30 games and has played in 39 overall. His line... .238/.293/.485/.777, 9 HR, 37 K in 140 plate appearances Colvin has been far from a star since that point in time.

QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 02:29 PM) Yeah, it's true. I think people are way underestimating what it would take to pull this off. The Nationals have no need to move Dunn, they'll need a big offer to do it. Hudson, Santos, and Shirek won't be enough probably. Maybe if they add Viciedo to that package something would happen, but I doubt it. And that's obviously way more than the Sox can give up for a 2 month rental. If you are talking about dealing Hudson, Santos, Viciedo, and Shirek, you are back on the phone with the Brewers.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 02:12 PM) I wouldn't put Hudson and Beckham in the same group at all. Beckham should be rather untouchable. Hudson is only hard to get because of our lack of depth, not because he is a great looking pitcher. Is the difference between Adam Dunn and Mark Kotsay not greater than the difference between Dan Hudson and say...Tony Pena? The last time Tony Pena started a game at any level, Carl Everett was the starting DH for a World Series winning team. Tony Pena is not a starting pitcher on this team, he is the swingman, and he will remain that for the rest of the season as there is no time to stretch his arm out to be able to throw even 80 pitches, let alone 100 or so. Carlos Torres would be his replacement. He might not be the worst 5th starter the White Sox have ever had, but he is not a desirable option to say the least. His major league equivalent FIP is 4.94, which could lead him anywhere from a 4.50 to a 5.50 ERA. As stated, that wouldn't be the worst 5th starter ever, but on this club, it would not be desirable. Hudson's 4.51 FIP translates to the majors much better, and he is a much better looking pitcher than Torres or any other replacement from within the system.

De Aza vs RHP in AAA - .308/.401/.451/.852 Gartrell vs LHP in AAA - .302/.380/.552/.932 and their major league equivalent (according to minor league splits) De Aza vs RHP - .255/.338/.380/.718 Gartrell vs LHP - .255/.324/.429/.753 I could see them outproducing those numbers, but it's not an upgrade by any stretch of the imagination.

Players always have to prove themselves, and when you've pitched as poorly as Jenks has, having to prove yourself makes quite a bit of sense. Jenks has never pitched this poorly in his career, so it would be in his best interest to get back to doing his job. I really don't think Sox fans were booing Wise because he was bad, they were booing during Wise's ABs at management for even allowing Wise to be in that spot.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 23, 2010 -> 11:52 PM) He's doing a signing at TTS in Mokena tomorrow, too. Speaking of which, a friend of mine tried to say he's the 4th best QB in this division? Really? Behind 2-win-60-QB-rating Matthew Stafford, too? No way. I think Cutler will have a better year in 2010 (26 TD's-17 INT's) and they'll end with 10 wins. From the sound of things, Forte looks fantastic. Rotoworld cited a statistic that Forte ran for like 4.5 YPC with a lead blockers and like 2.6 YPC when he was a single back, so he better look fantastic if he wants to be effective this season.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 24, 2010 -> 02:20 PM) I don't remember Owens getting ripped either except for having a weak arm. He didn't get the best jumps but obviously he had plenty of speed to cover for it. Macowiak was awful, may as well have had Jermaine Dye in CF. Erstad, actually, used to get ripped pretty unfairly for his CF defense although this was before I started posting here (I was at WSI). Erstad was terrible at the plate, and at that point should not have been starting over Anderson, but his defense in CF was pretty good except for that one really embarrassing play where the ball he lost in the lights that fell 20 feet behind him (too small a sample size for UZR to really be useful, but it was 31.5 that year). That made for such an awesome f***ing picture though.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 23, 2010 -> 04:04 PM) I have a feeling we won't make any deals. 2009 - Jake Peavy, Mark Kotsay (along with Tony Pena and Alex Rios before and after) 2008 - Ken Griffey Jr. 2007 - traded Iguchi and Mackowiak away 2006 - MacDougal, Alomar Jr, and Riske 2005 - Blum 2004 - Garcia, Contreras, Everett, and Alomar 2003 - Alomar, Everett, Schoenweis, and Sullivan 2002 - traded Durham, Lofton, Alomar Jr, and Howry 2001 - traded Baldwin (Barry/Berry fiasco) Williams has made some sort of trade before or during the deadline every single year he's been a GM. I'd bet on the Sox making some type of addition.

Am I going to get tarred and feathered if I don't like Alex Gordon that much? Sure, his splits are great - .315/.442/.577/1.019 - but he's striking out 22.4% of the time and, thus, that .315 average is inflated by a .389 BABIP. He obviously needs a chance to play, but I think he looks a hell of a lot more like Dallas McPherson than Ryan Zimmerman.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 23, 2010 -> 02:40 PM) I just have to say that it's entertaining to see a GM of an actual baseball team fail so badly at his job. I think it's more fun that it's a franchise that was already bad and maintains mediocrity (or worse). It was sad to see Bavasi tear the Mariners apart.

I hadn't even looked at his UZR (though I just did now), I just basically assumed that there was no way he could be worse than Quentin.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 06:59 PM) I guess Blake Nation of Seattle will have the easiest time campaigning for this contest. Just Vote for the Blake Nation!! I approve this comment.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 23, 2010 -> 12:02 PM) Ditto. Fielder just isn't going to happen imo. At this point the only 2 real chips we have are Dayan and Flowers. Beckham isn't going anywhere and at least to me(which means nothing but I think Kenny feels the same way) Huddy became untouchable the moment Peavy went down with his injury. Laroche and Luke Scott definitely make the most sense right now. I think Luke Scott makes the most sense out of anyone, mainly because he can play RF, which would allow Quentin to DH, and Ozzie can keep his rotating DH (Teahen, Scott, Jones, and Quentin). The one thing I am sensing in all of this is that Kotsay seems to be the player who gets left out. The Sox are interested in acquiring a left handed bat, and Teahen is going to return shortly...I just don't see how the Sox would be able to justify Kotsay's presence on the roster.