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I'm obviously not watching the game, but not walking Butler here and bringing in Putz/Santos/Pena to face Guillen would be dumb.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 08:59 PM) I don't think you're supposed to be surfing the internet from the bench, I don't give a s*** if you are DH'ing today. Ha, I get it, because it describes his arm!

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 08:54 PM) I really hope that guy's not managing this team someday.

Through May 30th, Chris Coghlan put up a .217/.268/.272/.540 line. He was at .275/.338/.400/.738 before tonight's game, and that improved due to a 2-3, 1 HR, 1 BB night. That means he's hit .380/.456/.630/1.086 since that point in time. My query, quite calmly is, why, in the blue f***, can't Beckham do that same f***ing s***?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 07:19 PM) In his other 2 starts Lerew got through the lineup relatively unscathed the first time around but not so much the second time. To expand on this post, in his career 1st time thru - .232/.317/.393/.710, 64 PAs 2nd time thru - .353/.421/.627/1.049, 58 PAs 3rd time thru - .276/.303/.655/.958, 34 PAs Pitches 1-25 - .254/.369/.380/.749, 85 PAs Pitches 26-50 - .345/.409/.672/1.082, 67 PAs Pitches 51-75 - .333/.415/.556/.970, 43 PAs Pitches 76-100 - .182/.208/.591/.799, 24 PAs He looks like a pretty standard 89-92 fastball, so-so slider, so-so change type pitcher. The Sox should beat the holy hell out of him.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 06:35 PM) not any worse than the first 2 strikes called on Rios. I'm still jacked about that...especially the first one. I thought the second one was over the plate and was a good call, but that first pitch was a good 3 or so inches outside. And, once Marmol gets that call, that pitch on the inner half of the plate becomes unhittable because Rios has to defend that far outside. If that third pitch gets called what it should, the bases are loaded for Konerko (or Marmol's throwing a get me over at some point and Rios might kill it).

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 06:05 PM) Pitch count is a big deal now, because pitchers are conditioned to it as soon as they get into pro-ball. But the old school thought is that the pitch count is hurting the pitchers and leading to more injuries than preventing. The idea is that pitchers aren't throwing as much which means they aren't strengthening their arms as much as they could. 150 pitches is a lot today, but it really shouldn't be that big of a deal. Bob Feller probably averaged 150 pitches per game, and he never had a single arm injury and one of the greatest fastballs the game has ever seen. Randy Johnson could throw a lot of pitches too, but it doesn't mean it's the norm. Citing one of the greatest pitchers with one of the greatest fastballs of all time actually helps the case of those arguing for pitch count, because it takes a freak of a person to be able to throw that many pitches and remain effective throughout the entirety of a career. 150 pitches is a lot today, and it is a big deal. It's 25% more pitches than an outing that's already considered a heavy workload.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 06:08 PM) It's June 28th. And the Cubs still suck. closer to last place than 1st place. Equal distance between 2nd place and last place. That team is so messed up. They have seen almost all of their off season and spring training moves turn to gold on them (Bradley for Silva was a joke, Marlon Byrd has been ridiculous, and Colvin has been surprisingly good) and they've gotten worse because they're starting to get old, injury prone, and inconsistent. With nothing in the cupboards (and I mean that both in regards to their fiscal and personnel situations), it's going to take more than a minor miracle to turn that team around before atleast 2013. Atleast they drafted Jessica and Ashley's sister in the first round, she should be a great marketing tool.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) Wigginton's going to regress and suck for most of the second half. He's not what you want. I don't think Wigginton's necessarily going to regress, and I think it's ultimately possible that he ends the year with an .825 OPS or so. He's not a savior though, and shouldn't be anything more than a stopgap player at this point, and that's about the last thing the White Sox need right now.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 01:10 PM) Doable. All we have to do is win 3 game series and tie 4 game series and that would put us at around 95-77 if my math is right. That won't be easy but hey, these guys can play Your math is not right, because that is 172 games.

QUOTE (T R U @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 12:47 PM) See, now I know for sure that you don't get what I am saying and are just thinking im hating on them.. Its not about "I Told You So", im a Sox fan im not sitting here waiting for them to lose so I can rub it in everyones face.. the only thing that I have been saying is I want to see them put together wins against AL teams.. we were almost 10 games under before we got to play the NL, and yes the team got VERY hot.. I just don't see the need to go all overboard about them right now until I see them start taking care of business where it matters.. I hope they do win 10 of the next 13 and I hope they do beat Minnesota, Detroit, Boston, and New York.. I know you do. I just think the Sox have proved that they're fine. And they're back in the race. It would be one thing if they went on this 11 game win streak and were still 5.5 back. But they're not, so it's all good. What's crazy to consider is that the Sox could very well be in first place by the ASB. Detroit and Minnesota play each other 6 times before the break still, while the Sox get KC to correspond with those games. The Sox also have LAA and Texas too, so it's obviously not an easy road for them, but it's entirely within grasp, which is pretty cool. (of course, the worst case would be one of Minnesota or Detroit taking all 6 and then the Sox losing 8 of 13. They'd be back by like 6 then)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 09:56 PM) Has anyone seen Marquez this year? Is there anything there now? His numbers look like he's still a replacement level pitcher. He's mediocre everything across the board.

QUOTE (T R U @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 10:28 PM) really wite? find where I have said this team was done.. how about find where I said that they are still garbage despite beating up on the NL.. you cant, because I didn't f***ing say that or act that way.. why is it so f***ing off the wall to want to see them put together some streaks against the AL? you act like i just sit here and bash them or something.. gimme a f***ing break.. they need to start beating the teams they should beat, the clevelands and kansas citys of the world, and perform against their own league before I start throwing a party like most of you people.. you'll be the same ones cursing this team if they fall again.. The starting pitching, outside of one Danks blowup, has been absolutely phenomenal for 14 straight starts. Obviously they won't stay that hot all season, but they were do for some regression to the mean, which in this case, meant towards something better rather than something worse. Jake Peavy and Gavin Floyd aren't 6+ ERA pitchers. Hell, they aren't 5+ ERA pitchers. They can be 4 due to the variance of ERAs in any given season, but they are generally 3.50-4.00 ERA quality pitchers. Beyond that, they've played 74 games. Of the remaining 88, 41 are against teams that are well below .500 at this point - Kansas City, Cleveland, Seattle, Oakland, and Baltimore. They also still have 14 games against Detroit and 13 against Minnesota. Going 25-16 in the first 41 and then going 15-12 against Minnesota and Detroit puts them at 12 games over .500 already from this point, which is 16 games over, which is probably an 87 win pace, assuming they go just under .500 against Boston, New York, Los Angeles, and Texas. In this entire stretch, the offense has still stuck out as a deficient part of this team, but with Quentin atleast looking like he may be a quality offensive player recently, Rios and Konerko performing very well, and both Pierzynski and Ramirez starting to revert closer to their career norms, it has improved. If the Sox were to acquire an actual DH rather than continuing on with the suckfest that is Andruw Jones and Mark Kotsay, the offense will improve by leaps and bounds. Of course I want to see them continue the success they've shown over the past 16 games against teams in the AL, but I can also realize when a team is flat out playing well, and sweeping the Braves and then having the ability to fight back to get the game winning run to the plate yesterday when they were down by 5 in the bottom of the 9th off of a guy who some of the best stuff in the entire majors shows more than a bit of moxie. You could say the same exact thing you are saying now if they win 10 of the next 13 against Los Angeles, Texas, and Kansas City because they aren't doing it against Minnesota, Detroit, Boston, or New York too. And then if they do it against them, you can say that they haven't done it in the playoffs yet. And then, invariably, when the Sox eventually do lose a series or go on an extended losing streak (which is almost certainly going to happen over the course of 88 games), you can be the one who said "I told you so." Because of this recent string of success, the Sox only have to win 3 more or lose 2 fewer games than Minnesota and wins or lose 2 more/fewer games than Detroit from today until October 4th to win the division and make it to the playoffs. That's a hell of a lot different than it was 20 days ago, when they needed to win 11 more or lose 10 fewer games than Minnesota and win or lose 7 more or fewer games than Detroit. They've gotten back into the race, and really, that's all that matters at the moment.

I don't know why anybody would want Carlos Zambrano in the first place. He hasn't been good this year, he's been a glorified #2-3 starter the past 3 years (whose become progressively more injury prone), he's a lunatic, and he's never been good against the AL as it is (4.82 career ERA against the AL in 22 starts, 26 games total, 136.1 IP), and none of those reasons have anything to do with the fact that he's owed like $18 mill a year for the next 2-3 years. Carlos Zambrano is quite literally the last player I'd want to see traded to the White Sox right now.

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 06:27 PM) You must be drinking electric lemonade for wussies. You can put some blue coloring in it makes you happy... Actually, the electric lemonade I've had is all of the ingredients of a long island, except they use melon flavored rum and sprite instead of tequila and coke. We call your drink a strip-and-go-naked.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 05:26 PM) Indeed, even if nothing comes of this season, the last two weeks have been fantastic! Better than going through an 81-81 season where you're in 3rd place and have no special moments, etc. (similar to last year with the Sox, besides the perfecto). I'm so proud to see how we refused to lose in the 9th inning, only to get screwed by the umpire. The 9th inning was really awesome. I haven't been that satisfied about a loss in 2 weeks (hehe)

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 02:50 PM) And there are enough anecdotal cases like Gil Meche, who threw 130 or so in a game last year and has struggled since, that make me think giving him an extra start off has very little downside. Arizona isn't playing for anything anyways, they may as well protect their investment at this point in time. Shut him down until the All Star Break just to make sure his arm doesn't fall off.

Generally, pitchers ERA's in the start following a 120+ pitch start are much higher. I have no idea where to find the statistic and I don't want to do the research to actually calculate it, but I would imagine ERA's go up by atleast one full point. That alone tells me that pitch count is significant.

WHY DO THE WHITE SOX SUCK

Why to the White Sox suck?

QUOTE (T R U @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 02:37 AM) Ill believe it when they start beating AL teams If they lose the series to KC, ill know all I need to know.. This team could s*** a brick of gold for you, and you'd ask for sterling silver and remain disappointed.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 12:36 PM) Mind you that the sox have only $65 millions committed, I believe they will only offer abritration to Danks and CQ, with team option to Thorton and Castro. So the Sox do have some money to spend next season. Thornton's option brings it up to $68 mill, and it's probably fairly safe to assume that Danks's and Quentin's raises will equal roughly $10 mill, and Pena will probably be around $2 mill, bringing the total payroll up to about $80 mill. That's only 13 players, and the bullpen needs atleast one more pitcher and another hitter is necessary, and this isn't including the bench. If the Sox are fortunate, the payroll will be around $95 mill, which leaves $15 mill in free money next year to patch up these holes. Wouldn't it be better to spend the money on the entire team rather than throwing the money at Carl Crawford and throwing Jhonny Nunez or whoever into the bullpen and expecting good things?

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 11:50 AM) crawford is a free agent at the end of the season, and despite their success the Rays are still a small market team. They would risk losing him for nothing (or a few compensational picks i believe) if he bolts for a bigger contract. The smart move for them is to trade him for major league ready prospects (viceido and flowers) to replace Pena (FA next season) and whoever their catcher is, and to have a short term leadoff hitter or fourth outfielder in Pierre. This is at least help them stay competitive from this season and beyond. oh yea, and with konerko and AJ contract due at the end of the season, we have a really good chance of retaining, especially if we go on and make the playoffs with Crawford at the helm. The Rays will receive draft pick compensation for Crawford, John Jaso and Kelly Shoppach will serve just fine as a catching duo, first base is a very easy position to fix, especially when Pena, even as powerful as he is, is putting up a .737 OPS, and they have Desmond Jennings waiting in the minor leagues to help attempt to fill the void should Crawford leave for free agency this offseason. The Sox also have like $70 million already committed to next years roster, and that's not including raises through arbitration and any other free agent signings, so the Sox wouldn't have room to lock Crawford up long term if they were to bring him in through this hypothetical scenario, which still won't happen. The Rays won't be trading Carl Crawford.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 11:28 AM) carl crawfrod anyone? he is available as we speak, and a natural LF to replace pierre unlike McCutchen or Bourn. We could send Viceido, Flowers, Pierre and some cash to Tampa for Crawford? The Rays are 14 games over .500 and Crawford's been a huge part of that. He won't be traded.

It would be nice to add a better leadoff hitter, but there is a bigger blackhole in the lineup at the DH spot which could be improved immensely.