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How much retooling is really necessary though? I'd bring in a guy at 2B, 3B, and another starting pitcher, but even that might not be necessary. You could make a few minor changes to the pitching staff but I wouldn't overhaul it by any means. This team just seems set to make a run again next year with a few tweaks to the current roster while adding depth to the organization as a whole. Perhaps when a few of these contracts start coming up those discussions should begin, but for now, I'm completely satisfied with the state of the White Sox organization, other than the injuries of course.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 09:43 PM) At best a split with Toronto; that's not a series win. So 0 for 1. Beat the Angels. 1 for 2. Lost to Cleveland. 1 for 3. Lost to Boston. 1 for 4. Split with Baltimore. 1 for 5. Lost to Tampa. 1 for 6. It's a technicality, but the Baltimore game was in April. I don't count it and I don't think it's fair to count it, even if it was the current roster. They played like 3 innings. It's 2 of 6 in that scenario, and they won several before that. I also find it interesting, though not surprising, that you didn't mention that they went 17-11 in August, and are now 4-5 in September, and much of their September record is without Quentin in the lineup. That's not to suggest that they will play better but rather that they've been decent in his abscence thus far and it could very easily improve.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 09:17 PM) I agree that you take the W anyway it is presented. Four runs given up by the pen is a worry especially Jenks givingup 3 in the 9th. But, we won and tomorrow they might all shine The box score says 4 but they really gave up 5. Buehrle left a shutout with a man on base and Dotel proceeded to give up a blast. If I had to make a prediction as to who wins the division at this point, I'd guess that it will be the team that has the lowest team ERA in close games from this point forward. At the same time, of course, the Sox rotation seems to be wearing down rather quickly, so hope and pray that Danks can gut it out from this point forward.

as a slight point of interest, Jenks' GO/AO is 2.16. That is all.

split it tomorrow...I don't think we can count on Brandon Duckworth beating Liriano. I hope the Sox didn't let just a little wind out of the Jays' balloon but rather stuck a needle all the way into it and popped the SOB. Marcum is good but he's beatable, and the Sox have Neckbeard Floyd going tomorrow. He could just go ahead and keep being the stud he's been all year and that'd be just fine by me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 09:47 PM) Jim Thome continues to have a complete no trade clause whether we like it or not. and he continues to be one of the Sox best hitters through it all too

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 03:48 PM) Shame...he's a solid ballplayer. I hope he gets a shot in Spring Training next year. If the Sox don't resign Uribe as a utility infielder, I have to imagine that Getz has the inside track at that spot.

If I had literally not gone to the bathroom 10 minutes ago, I probably would have just s*** my pants.

just as a general question, why is 30 the magic number for age? I understand it's a round number and 25 is too young and 35 is too old, but Jim Thome is like 37 or 38 and he's been the Sox second best hitter yet Crede is like 31 or 32 and his body has already begun to physically break down. Given, some of that has to do with Thome sitting all the time and Crede is in the field, but what about a player like Cabrera, who is 33 (...?) or Dye who is 34 or 35? There is something to be said about young players and a young corps, but all that matters is if it is good or not. Older players break down but they are generally consistent, whereas youth leads to maddening inconsistency. Carlos Gomez is more likely to flame out and become a 4th outfielder than he is to become Carlos Beltranlite and he's been absolutely pitiful for about the past 3 months now. I'd say so long as most of your players are in the 25-33 range, your team should be absolutely fine, but I guess that's JMO.

I just want to make note that both DeWayne Wise and Jerry Owens are in the lineup over Junior. I'm sure it's been brought up before, but I felt the need to do so again. Why can't Jerry Owens just go away?

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 04:36 PM) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 01:07 AM) This is one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen on here in a good long while. F*** it, let's just miss the playoffs because we'll probably get swept anyways, right? Well, I was never one to buy lottery tickets. Let it soak in for a second Even if said tongue in cheek, you are still suggesting you'd rather the Sox miss the playoffs rather than "potentially" getting swept in the playoffs; that would mean that you are rooting against the Sox winning, and thus...well the rest is self-explanatory. Absolutely absurd. I'd also like to know where you got your "1 in 6 series wins." They have, at the worst, lost this one to Toronto though nothing has been settled. They beat Anaheim; that's 1 of the last 1. They lost to Cleveland (on the road); that's 1 of 2. They lost to Boston (on the road); that's 1 of 3. They BEAT Baltimore (on the road); that's 2 of 4. They lost to Tampa Bay; that's 2 of 5. They swept Seattle; that's 3 of 6. They beat Oakland; that's 4 of 7. They swept KC; that's 5 of 8. They also split the previous one with Boston and then beat Detroit too. Whose schedule are you looking at, exactly? Seeing as how they've won 5 of their last 8 series, I'd say you got your facts screwed up somewhere. That stretch also included a 10 game road trip too, and the Sox are not a very good team on the road whatsoever.

Seriously, if Carrasco could get through 4-5 innings, he'd be a godsend. Hopefully Broadway pours Jobu some rum because otherwise he's going to get destroyed. It's one thing to beat a light hitting KC team, it's another to go up against a powerful offense in the Tigers.

The Twins have another 10 on the road coming up (as do the Sox too, but they also play KC and get a break before going to Minnesota while the Twins just play 10 straight on the road against pretty good teams) and their's also appears to a bit tougher. If the Sox want any time at all to make up ground lost - and this is assuming they win atleast 1 of the next 2 against Toronto - it will have to come this weekend against Detroit. I still think the Sox find a way in but the lineup is hurting badly right now. It's time for Griffey to find a time machine and go back just 3 years.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 06:42 AM) I'm not a physician. I'm a physical therapist/athletic trainer. I see injuries on the field and work with the rehab after. The pain factor really isn't important here. The entire problem revolves around the healing of the fracture. The physicians put in a screw to stabilize the fracture and hold the two pieces of bone together. If the fracture does not heal properly you run the risk of one of the pieces not getting its blood supply and slowly dying. This is called avascular necrosis. This will lead to a decreased range of motion for the wrist and could hamper his swing. The will X-ray the bone in 2-3 weeks to see if a sufficient callus has built up to determine if the blood supply and stability of the fracture is satisfactory. If it is he can start rehabbing it. From the news reports, it sounds like they are contemplating playing him at this point. This is very risky. The callus could break at this time even with the screw. If they are still in the race, the may chance it. A brace will not help as the only brace to assist it will limit the motion too much for hitting. They may try to add a pad to his wrist to protect it from getting hit but this may be too cumbersome for his hitting. apologies for the mislabeling...your knowledge is very much appreciated all the same I think at this point the earliest you can hope for him to return is the Minnesota series, and the thought of running out a Quentin at less than 100% both due to injuries and rustiness, even as good of a hitter as he is, scares me. On the one hand, I hope they do all they can to win the division, but at the same time you don't want to dampen the long term health of a player who now looks like the face of the franchise. Catch-22 if there ever was one.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 12:14 PM) Doesn't mean a thing. The only time you need a hard cast is when you need to restrict movement of a joint near the fractured bone. They are putting in a fixater in the bone and fracture. The soft cast is to make sure he continues to move the joints around it and doesn't get too tight. It will allow for earlier motion but the bone will heal as the bone will heal and that's at least 4 weeks. As the resident physician, I turn to you when it comes to injuries. In the case of Quentin... 1) Obviously the ability to withstand pain is different from person to person, but what is the pain factor in something like this? I've never even fractured a bone to my knowledge, so I have no frame of reference to even a minor fracture. 2) Is it possible that playing through the injury could worsen it and further damage could be done, hurting him long term rather than no further damage being done? (I assume the answer to this is that further damage could be done and it could hurt his career, but I figure a doctor's opinion is cool too) 3) The ultimate question I was getting at but that I wandered around in the previous two questions - is it possible that Quentin could come back early from an injury like this, wear an arm brace, and play through it?

QUOTE (qwerty @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 03:18 AM) Adam Jones. Adam Jones again... Adam "Not-Pacman" Jones

I'd imagine it also has to do with the philosophy in which they are brought up, basically suggesting that they swing at the first good pitch they see rather than working a count, trying to get it in your favor, and looking for a pitch in your zone.

I would bet that AP won't rush for 1300 yards, but it's because he gets injured and not because he's not talented...his running style, even in what I saw in his last game, is just conducive as hell for injuries. If he learns how or when to take a hit and go down, rather than trying to run absolutely every player over, he'll be fine. He also got like half of those yards in 3 games (296, 224, 116 (and with the 116, you can interchange that with any game he rushed for over 100 yards)). I don't want to say you can count on a 200 yard game, but you almost have to expect that. I just don't think you can expect anything near 300 yards in a game at any point in time this season. Also, Jason Peters is a man-beast and he finally reported, albeit after week 1 was over. The Bills just got a hell of a lot stronger offensively.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 10:51 PM) I guess that's where we differ. It makes no difference to me if we make the postseason and get routed or not make it at all. As far as the payroll stuff, making the playoffs and having revenue from one game won't make a difference if ownership really wants to cut payroll. This is one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen on here in a good long while. F*** it, let's just miss the playoffs because we'll probably get swept anyways, right? You also really like to make appearances when the Sox perform badly. Merely coincidental though I assume. (PS - I also believe you predicted that the Sox would be dead by now. Atleast they were in first place, so in that regard, I was more right...in fact, they are a game up and other than this turd today, they had been playing some pretty damn good ball)

QUOTE (Drew @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) Boston, easily. Pedroia and Ellsbury are gamebreakers. They were hitting everything off every façade the game I saw at Fenway. Pedroia is unfortunately an MVP candidate with Quentin's injury, but he's a hell of a player and is legit as hell. Ellsbury is a glorified 4th outfielder...he's currently a Jerry Owens clone with a bit more power. He'll improve, I don't doubt that, he's just not that good of a player right now.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 09:38 AM) Ummm, no. You might be right that the Bills are better than the Jets (it wouldn't surprise me, the Bills have been slowly but surely improving the last few years), but the Patriots without Brady are just another team. They do have talent yes, but they don't have a quarterback, and you can't win games that way unless you have a DOMINANT defense, and the Patriots don't. Solid running backs up and down the roster, one of the best receiving corps in the league, a fantastic offensive line and a defense that's good but not great with big play potential. So long as Cassel can play within the system - and I imagine he can - there still aren't many teams that are better than them. I also think highly of Cassel too, so perhaps I'm jumping the gun a bit, but I think you are being a little overreactionary. QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 04:01 PM) I think they are also overlooking the fact that Miami barely even qualifies as an NFL team as well. And this I agree with as well. I will be very interested to see how the Jets play over the next 2-3 weeks because I don't believe it based off of a squeaker against Miami. And Tavaris Jackson absolutely blows. There's no reason whatsoever he should even have a starting job right now, other than pure politics.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 11:42 AM) Prospects are cool, having a lot of them is nice. Ones taht are achieving is even better. But after four decades of following baseball, I have a hard time getting excited for anyone not on the 40 man, and truthfully, the 25 man is where it is at for me. I prefer to not be attached so after they have spent four years working their way up the system and are traded for a three month rent a player, I'm never too upset. Which interests me, more people would be upset with say a Josh Fields leaving then a Paul Konerko. Love that cheap potential. And Go GF. That is great for their community. last year I probably would have felt that way but Fields kinda sucks. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the starting lineup next year with the way he's performed this season.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 01:26 PM) Too bad we're actually 80-62. 22 games over sounds a whole lot better than 18. indeed it does a little 7 game winning streak or so would help out a lot, because Minny may be able to make up a few games playing KC. Just hope Tampa finds some way to get hot over the next week, and hopefully Longoria will be back in the lineup for the series. I also believe they will face Kazmir so that sounds nice to me too. It's going to be a grind down the stretch.

I love the media all over Favre's schlong...the Jets narrowly escape defeat of a terrible but rising Miami team while the Bills thrash the living s*** out of the favorite in the NFC West. But no, if any team is going to get a boost from Brady's injury, it's the Jets...riiiiiiight. FWIW, I still don't see any way that the Pats lose the division, other than a couple more injuries. They are still way, way too talented and as well coached as any team in the NFL.

QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 7, 2008 -> 05:07 PM) My point was that Haeger was one of our top pitching prospects two years ago. Right now he's not even in the top 10 pitchers in our system. and deservedly so It brings up a few points, notably that the White Sox pitching depth within the system was terrible (and still is, though it's improving) and that Haeger was also more of a wild card than he was a surefire prospect. If Haeger has a career in the bigs, I wouldn't be surprised if it's closer to Steve Sparks than Tim Wakefield.