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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 18, 2007 -> 10:07 PM) Random Fact: Since July 2004, Soxtalk.com has had ~383 Million hits. I've probably accounted for about a million or two of those

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 18, 2007 -> 10:50 PM) However, "dipping" and getting into fights in bars does not alter one's performance and give them a physical edge over their competition and the history books. Nicotine increases the flow of adrenaline. Doesn't that make it performance enhancing? And while hangovers suck, I bet Mickey Mantle was on his way to becoming a journeyman player without the aid of drinking. There's actually no basis for that claim, I just like to think that and make it an excuse to get hammered.

gonna put this in here so it gets noticed...this needs to be seriously considered. How does it work forum - Bugs/Trojans/Worms thread

^^^ this big time...I've had to clean my computer 5 straight nights now because of it, which means spending 1-2 hours in Safe Mode every night cleaning out my quarantine, checking my computer for viruses, and updating my virus definitions every night. It's a huge pain in the ass. I'd say get rid of it ASAP.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 11:29 PM) A guy that'll always have a special place in our hearts... is you

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 18, 2007 -> 12:44 AM) Weird. Haha If you are "optimistic" about this team, as in you believe they are a competing team this year, then that's why you are being criticized. If you are optimistic about the direction the organization is headed, that's a completely different subject all together, and one I start to agree with after not too awful long. They have taken steps in the right direction, but aren't there yet.

QUOTE(bighurt4life @ Dec 18, 2007 -> 12:54 AM) not true, lots of people thought that Prior might run into injury problems at some point I actually recall several analysts and publications talking about how his picture perfect mechanics would lead to a long career in the majors.

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 05:57 PM) Heck, Floyd's last 10 appearances were superb IMO. 45.2 innings pitched, 18 earned runs. I'll take that all day long from Mr. Floyd. What is that, a 2.5 ERA...she it that's what I'm talking about. And the best thing of all is Gavin Floyd is another Tigers killer!!! In Gavin's last 21 innings pitched against Detroit, he only gave up 2 runs. earned or otherwise. That's a 3.55 ERA (ER*9)/IP pretty simple

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) That can't be. Jon stinks ya know. Worthless overexaggeration.

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 07:06 PM) Sorry, I meant Top 5 talent in terms of rotation. Floyd is a horrible pitcher. Living close to Philly, he was horrible there as well and was pissed he was in the Garcia deal because he was pretty much a throw in. And Gavin Floyd is a better pitcher than he was when he was with Philadelphia. Why must you hold onto previous experience? Players change and improve, or they get the hell out. Floyd is starting to improve.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 09:51 PM) Well if that's correct then we lose another home grown good player becasue the team won't pay out any money. We continue to lose our talent and trade for someone elses. That has never made alot of sense to me. You seriously want to pay $8-10 mill a year for Joe f***ing Crede, when the White Sox can put Josh Fields at 3B for millions less, no ridiculous longterm commitment, and who is also just a wee bit less of an injury risk? Joe Crede is a mediocre 3Bman who had about 15 minutes of fame in the World Series. He's going to be on a different team this year, more than likely, and is not in the future plans for the Chicago White Sox.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 03:58 PM) To be fair defensive stats are skewed for the patriots by their amazing offense. Teams are almost forced to abandon the run because they fall behind so quickly and go to pass only... which leads to more interceptions and sacks also makes them 1 dimensional. Also, I think his point was that the Jags are better suited for a game in poor conditions. And with their running back tandem plus I think sturdy defense that could be true to a point... although this season I would never bet against the Pats to win. You can't take that away from their defense though. The two units do play for the same head coach. Their defense is better than Jacksonville's. Just because they have a good offense doesn't mean you have to handicap the defense because they aren't on the field a lot.

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 07:35 AM) They don't have a s***load of bad contracts. After Contreras, who has a bad contract? They underperformed last year is the main reason everyone thinks they sucked. They aren't likely to do it again. Also, they have too many large contracts and not enough young people. That's the problem, too many holes filled with contracts. The contracts themselves are pretty reasonable, even urine's* isn't bad. Its probably near market. *The spell checker wanted to change uribe to urine, so I went with it. Konerko, Dye, and Pierzynski are all pretty bad contracts. Tolerable, but not preferred.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 12:30 PM) As far as the bullpen goes, you would have to have a hell of a memory to remember what little old me thought of the bullpen. It doesn't matter what I thought because I'm not getting paid to make the decisions. Well KW was wrong, but that wasn't the only thing he was wrong about going into last season; I think it's pretty much the consensus of the board that last year was terrible. The move I absolutely hated was Erstad, and my fears were unfortunately correct. They resigned Uribe as an insurance policy in case they could not bring in a shortstop. That, too, was a miscalculation on his part. He was not resigned to a $4.5 mill deal with the intent to have him be a bench player. Orlando Cabrera is going to be a Type A free agent; thus, if the Sox offer him arbitration, they'll almost certainly get two draft picks for him (as he almost certainly won't accept an offer of about $9 mill when his reputation will more than likely get him a multi-year deal at around $11 mill per). If they resign him, they have a shortstop for the next 3-4 years. That looks quite a bit like building towards the future, even if said player is on the wrong side of 30. Linebrink isn't building towards the future, but it's not a burden of a contract. Two years from now it will be moveable, and he is an upgrade in the bullpen. The only downfall of the deal is the loss of the 2nd rounder. He is an upgrade to the team - a pretty significant upgrade - and KW feels the downgrade from Garland to Floyd is not going to be that significant. We shall see about that. But when KW says "we have a pretty darn good team," what does that mean exactly? It's a statement that's vague as hell that the average person interprets as "the White Sox are going to be good" but what one who looks into what he's done and what he's saying says "good can mean a lot of things." I do like how you make no mention of the moves for Richar and Quentin. Did he just make those moves because he felt compelled to do so? because he's building for the short-term? There's no way KW feels this team is going to win the division, and I don't think you'll ever see him make a statement that says quite that. Any statement he makes will be vague as hell and will have many, many different interpretations with only one of those really being correct.

Good news Soxtalk, I could s*** bricks of gold

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) I wouldn't bet on it. Jacksonville has a team far better built for those conditions than New England (they can say whatever they want, the Pats scored 6 points today without defense and special teams, while Jacksonville lit up Pittsburgh in the snow), and the Jaguars D is way better than New England. They better hope Jacksonville doesn't go far. Jacksonville lit up Pittsburgh and won by 7 points. New England beat Pittsburgh by 21. That's the same Pittsburgh team, in case you were thinking there may be two different teams that play in Pittsburgh. I also don't know how you can claim the Jags defense is better. The Patriots have allowed 19 fewer points (which is an entire game's worth), allow 36 fewer yards per game, 43 fewer passing yards per game (probably about 3 drives worth) and a mere 7 more rushing yards per game (which is one carry 3 yards short of a 1st down per game). The Patriots have intercepted more passes (17 to 16, so it's close), have forced more fumbles (14 to 10, which is pretty significant), deflect more passes (59 to 57, against close), and get to the QB more (34 to 27, which is again very significant); Jags way better? K, you go ahead and continue arguing that, and you will continue to be wrong, because the numbers disagree with you period, and you also have to realize that about 40% of their games have been played in garbage time where they are playing loose coverage for about the entire second half. New England is a far superior team to Jacksonville, and you arguing differently is laughable.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 02:15 PM) I don't. And even Vas has had the history of getting lit up after five. Jon Garland has one good year, and he's the messiah. Javy Vazquez has had multiple good years and is coming off a fantastic year, yet you can't seem to forget about a 3 month stretch he had in 2006. That's call discriminating. Beyond that, Javier Vazquez is a better pitcher than Garland. While that is not fact, it's pretty close. We need a little more than some inning eaters.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 17, 2007 -> 12:39 AM) What does Stanford have to do with anything? They offer scouting classes there? A person who couldn't get into your local community college could be the best GM out there as long as he evaluates baseball talent well and knows what it takes to create a good baseball team. Our GM is the same one that believed our bullpen was going to be very good last year. It sucked. Stanford didn't help much in that department, did it? There is little doubt in my mind that KW believes he has a good team. Whether he still believes we can compete after the moves DET made, I don't know. But he thinks this is a good team, no doubt. Morons don't graduate from Stanford. But seriously, is he supposed to say that he feels the team is going to suck? No, he's going to try and build off of the 2005 and 2006 season; the bandwagon fan brings in mad revenue. You can also count me in as one of the people who thought the bullpen last year was going to be very good. It failed; whoop dee s***. I don't recall you being here clamoring over how bad it was going to be. There's no way he thinks this is a good team; why do you think he didn't jump to conclusions and bring in Rowand or Jones? or why he hasn't strengthened the bench or brought in depth to the middle of the infield? The opportunity has presented itself, and those moves would have pushed a team that is "close" to "over the top;" if he really felt this team was that good, why would he have not made one of those moves? Why? He's been a bad GM, but don't confuse Ken Williams with a moron; look beyond the black and white and read into his moves (or lack there of) and his reasons for saying the team will be good. It's a business, and all he's trying to do is maximize profit. If the team sucks, but people still show up, it's still money in the bank. Dishonest, absolutely, but it's money all the same. Beyond that, the trade for Orlando Cabrera puts the Sox in a slightly better position to rebuild the minor league system through the draft or give the Sox a cog at SS for the next few years. Garland would have had to have repeated his 2005 performance to get anywhere close to that. I don't think he thinks the Sox are good, and all he has done this offseason is put the Sox in a position to compete if Jerry Owens learns how to turn water into wine. His moves suggest that he's building towards the future, and he hasn't brought in any contracts that will damper the team's chances in the long-run.

they are not top of the rotation starters. I personally see them both being more than adequate #4-5's in the rotation this season, with both having the potential to move up a bit. Both probably have ceilings of that of a #3 starting pitcher.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 11:51 PM) Someone should Christmasize RC. And no, I won't. I hate you more than words can describe.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 11:28 PM) During the holiday season, please remember the Rally Crede, and to keep it holy. If I'm standing under it, will you give me a kiss?

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 03:48 PM) Kenny's biggest problem has turned out to be that he seems to have unconditional believe that this team is a good team, and doesn't major changes. Are you f***ing kidding me right now? He didn't think it needed major changes, yet was in the Torii Hunter bidding until the end and tried to acquire Miguel Cabrera? KW realizes this team sucks, missed out on his targets, and is giving the company line right now to keep fans interested so he won't lose revenue. He also realizes it will take nothing short of a mini-miracle for this team to compete, but he's not about to tell that to the media. KW's failed the two past offseasons, but he's not a moron people. If you think so, you need to do some checking yourself. He didn't just luck his way into a degree from Stanford.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 04:20 PM) I seriously can't believe people are still slupring up all over Beane. He has made countless of mediocre decisions and has continued to fail to get the A's to the promised land. He had some really good teams for a couple year span, I'll admit, but the past couple years they have been far more mediocre and they are right with the Sox when it comes to drafting (ie unimpresively). I agree in large part with this; still, this is a hell of a haul and is a pretty big step forward for their organization, and will undoubtedly help the team's offensive woes within the next few years.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 02:43 AM) w0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000t finish your rum and give me your keys and then come to USD

Pretty sure I was using this word in like 2005/6, so it's definitely about a year or so late. Cuz I decide these things. QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 16, 2007 -> 02:35 AM) Hey...eat a ****. a fart? cuz you don't have to "****" fart