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QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 09:43 AM) I should just save this post in Word, because I use it every few weeks, but I still believe the Sox view Gio as a trade chip, and not as a future starter for the club. The Sox seem to know what works for Gio, and know he has value on the market. I will not be shocked IN THE LEAST to see Gio moved, and won't really have too much of a problem if they get value. Just don't sell him for scraps. Looks like we were both pretty right on Gio.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 10:20 PM) I want to do bad things to Rachel Nichols I think we are among the few It's weird, I generally hate any girl with any sort of red hair. Perhaps burgundy red is different. Also, Jeanne Zelasko, Lisa Salters, Hazel Mae, Krista Voda, and that PARTICULAR picture of Shana Hiatt need to go. Hiatt is hot as hell, and she looks absolutely terrible in that picture.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 01:27 AM) He couldn't motivate Uribe so I guess he should be fired. I don't know anything about Cabrera's laziness or whatever. I know he's good. KW has been overpaying for everybody he acquires, so it should be an interesting offseason when the smoke clears of all the trades. Ozzie is very good friends with Miguel Cabrera; both are from Venezuela, and Ozzie coached him in Florida. For all we know, Ozzie and Uribe may hate the s*** out of each other.

QUOTE(Sonik22 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 11:05 PM) CoD 4 is the greatest game i have ever played! I take it you have never played Tecmo Super Bowl for NES.

QUOTE(Linnwood @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 12:13 AM) Because human error is part of the game. Because the game doesn't need to be slowed down anymore. If you can review one type of call why not another? Why not balls and strikes? Why not just eliminate the umpires all together and put some fancy RFID/GPS tag in the ball? Yep, since they review every play in the NFL and NBA too. All this is merely doing is making sure big calls aren't missed; a home run is a big call, especially when there are few of them in a game. Balls and strikes? There are about 300 of those combined a game. Let's review every single one. Strikes and balls are a judgment call, but a home run should be clear cut as to whether it is or it isn't. A foul ball should be clear as to whether it is or it isn't. A strike? That's up to the umpire (and Quest-Tec in certain parks, but Quest-Tec is an abomination and should be destroyed and flown straight into the sun).

You get 36 win shares over 3 years from Hall. You get 13 win shares in 1 year from Garland. I think that's been the argument the entire time. I'm done, nothing is coming out of this.

QUOTE(joesaiditstrue @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 11:05 PM) screw winning this year, i don't want to see DLS, Carter, Fields, Danks, or Gio traded. I guess I'm the only person here who would be OK with watching the young talent that actually does exist on the farm, develop into major league talent i guess i just have a hard time believing that adding another bat to the lineup would help this team when we have so many other holes to fill This isn't just another bat; this is like a top 5 bat in the majors today. Miguel Cabrera is a player you can build a franchise around. His bat alone takes the Sox offense from mediocre to something ridiculous.

QUOTE(Chombi and the Fungi @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 09:31 PM) Ok, Garland for Hall would happen if we wanted, but wouldn't b/c of our ends decision...Not Milwaukees. No, it wouldn't happen because of both. And 3 years is more valuable than 1, starting pitching be damned. Bill Hall was bad this year, but not as bad as you are making him out to be; he had a year similar to years Pierzynski has had in the past OPS+ wise, and was a better hitter than Pierzynski this year. If you can get that out of a CF, SS, or 2B, you take it; if you can get the 116 he put up in 2005 or the 125 he put up in 2006 (one good year? come on), you take it and runn all the way to the bank. And if you don't think a front office or coaching staff pays attention to versatility, then you are thinking wrong. And you can also make the argument that he's a career 4.41 ERA pitcher who pitches better at home, so there is no real predictable result other than something around average, perhaps better and perhaps worse, and that there is only 1 year of guaranteed service out of him. No f'ing way does Contreras. A pitcher in his mid 30s, coming off two straight seasons with a DL stint who, in his past 340.1 IP, has put up an ERA of 5.37 and a 1.48 WHIP has little value whatsoever, and certainly not enough to get a 28 year old who can play those 3 positions. I've read - I'd assume something from BP, BTF, or HBT - proved this to be wrong or atleast inconclusive. Quite frankly, who the hell cares if Bill Hall is going to be an "A" player or not? That means absolutely nothing until he's a FA, so it's pointless, no? Adding on to it, he's a year removed from a .900 OPS season as a shortstop. Adding to the fact that he'll be moving to a much more forgiving park for right handed hitters, and his value would likely raise. Obviously, I disagree completely.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 06:36 PM) A new kind of huffing. Why ANYONE would think to do something like this is totally beyond me. Absolutely revolting Haha Wanna smoke weed? NO, LET'S INHALE FERMENTED S*** AND PISS INSTEAD!

jeez, if you guys are gonna talk about Dragonforce, atleast post a video Work warning: they drop an f-bomb about 6 and a half minutes in, but I'm not sure why you'd watch it at work anyways

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 04:57 PM) Don Shula is intimating that should the Patriots win the Superbowl and go undefeated, Spygate should put an asterisk next to the record. Well then the Dolphins should get an asterisk for only playing 17 games and never having to go up against the West Coast offense.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:58 PM) He's not going to cost that much and he's certainly not going to require a lot of years. No he's not the best player in the world but he's not the worst either. I know a lot of people around here dismiss batting average but at least he can hit the damn ball. At this point, I just want to have some players who can plug some holes, make contact, just have the chance to get on base. Also(this is where most disagree with me), I really don't think he's a bad defensive player, imo he's about average. Hell, I might be the only one but I really wouldn't mind Eck on this team. Not minding Eck might be it. I full envision Eckstein getting something like 3-4 years at $7-8 mill per, and that's way too much Eckstein for me. Some people would boycott the White Sox if they signed Barry Bonds; I boycott the White Sox if they sign David Eckstein (joking...I'd just be as pissed off as possible)

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) But I mean, all this talk about contracts etc. couldn't the Sox just re-sign Garland to an extra 2 or 3 years, and then possibly dangle him at the deadline (if there's no no trade clause attached) to get more value out of him that way? The next contract Garland is going to get is going to be for the most money, both in gross total and amount per season, of his career. He's not resigning for 3 years any time soon.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) Yeesh, cmon now. That's how badly I wish Eckstein to stay away from the White Sox.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:46 PM) so you'd take a guy with no speed, power, no ability to walk, be an inning killer, with above average range and arm instead? You mean Khalil Greene? Oh god yes, 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. If you mean Uribe, I would because there's no long term commitment. Eckstein's a better player, but he also costs more and has a long-term obligation. I seriously would rather have Andy Gonzalez at SS than David Eckstein, because they're saving money and the club would know that it's putting an embarrassing product on the field.

In the same measure, the Sox got quite a few breaks, a few of which were missed by umpires (the non-catcher's interference call on AJ with Finley up, the HBP on JD which wasn't, and perhaps more that I can't think of). I'll take the sweep all the same, and that put Geoff Blum into White Sox lore.

QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 04:25 PM) So what does this actually mean? Who ultimately makes the rules? And why are GMs voting and not owners? And it appears from the story it would have to have Bud's approval too, which it does not have at the current moment.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 03:17 PM) I'd almost bet the Sox and Yankees were two of the teams voting no because of their staying behind Selig. It looks like Kenny Williams really does not care what Jerry Reinsdorf thinks.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 03:23 PM) i dont think i could stand the ".300 hitter" articles about Eckstein if he signs. How about having no speed? No power? Very little ability to walk? Bad range? A weaker throwing arm than some people on this board? Sure, he gets quite a few singles, but he doesn't do anything else incredibly well, and on top of that he's been hurt for stretches of time the past 2 years. But no, he's a .300 hitter, welcome to the team Savior Eckstein.

QUOTE(scenario @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 12:32 PM) So why not offer a Contreras + Brian Anderson package to open discussions and see what happens? Because you'll be shot down instantly, and Towers may not call back. Contreras I think has value, but it's very, very low. Brian Anderson has absolutely no value at all other than as a throw-in, but could be a guy that atleast intrigues San Diego. If the Pads are going to move Greene, I imagine they are looking to get great value for him, otherwise, they won't move him. I could it costing Garland, Aardsma, and Anderson, and I have no doubt all 3 would have good value for them.

Jack Wilson - career OPS+ 79, career high is 105 Khalil Greene - career OPS+ 101, career high is 114 If Jack Wilson isn't hitting .295+, he's a pretty terrible hitter. If Khalil Greene hits even about .250, he's a pretty average hitter, and when he hits .270+, he's an above average shortstop offensively. Add to it that Greene is also younger, cheaper, and if I read correctly, around longer, and the more attractive option is obvious. However, price also has to be brought into the equation. Greene is almost assuredly going to cost Garland plus some, whereas Wilson may come much cheaper than that (though giving any of the organization's top 5 prospects would likely be a bad deal). It really depends on what the market holds.

QUOTE(Calderon @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 09:29 AM) No. He doesn't. He has dynamite height if that counts for anything, but not dynamite stuff. So he may not even be a sleeper prospect. Great to know.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 08:59 AM) Am I the only one afraid of a Garland for Fuentes swap, with no real prospects added from the Rockies? I'd hope so.

QUOTE(SEALgep @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:30 AM) Still though, pitching is weak in FA. However, if guys like Santana, Kazmir, ect... become available as well, Garland's value would suffer. He'd still net a nice return though. So is the SS and 2B class this year too, and Bill Hall has 3 years left on his deal. Garland's value is low because he has one year left on his deal, period, because teams do understand that Garland is a pretty average starting pitcher, and that has quite a bit of value in the game of baseball. If you allow the team you trade Garland to negotiate an extension, his value goes up, but then you are playing a coin-flip scenario because Garland may not accept their offer and you've already burned the bridge. Point blank, the reason Bill Hall costs more than Garland is the contractual situations of both players. That deal may not be far off, but that's not the point that was made. Perhaps I am in the wrong here, but I believe something like Garland and Aardsma/MacDougal/Thornton for Hall and perhaps Brad Nelson may be possible, as I think I've read where the Brewers are down on Nelson, but that's debatable. And I'm not sure I'd like that deal, but it'd be something that would be adequate; if Hall is as bad as fathom says he is, he's scary bad. I think he's a bit better, but not the .900 player he was in '06. I could see probably .825, but probably not much more above or beyond that (anybody have any early offseason projections for Hall next year?).

QUOTE(Shadows @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 12:55 AM) Im not just some guy who is spouting off claims.. I have a legit 5, not just a group of my buddies I just wrangled up.. One of the guys is 6'7 and glancing over their roster they don't even have a player to stop him alone.. also considering one of the other guys was one of our better players on our high school team and has good size himself.. As for the other three, I never played basketball in high school because football was my love, but we aren't just five guys who think we can walk out onto a court and beat anyone.. Cuz you're a cheaterrrrrrr :nono