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Seeing as how it's been unanimous input, I feel better about that thought.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 11:21 AM) White Sox drafted Mark Davis, then sent him to the Angels for Roberto Hernandez, then drafted Harold Baines, traded Baines to Texas for Wilson Alvarez (+Sammy), then sent Hernandez and Alvarez (+Darwin) to the Giants in exchange for Foulke (+Howry, Barcelo, Caruso, Vining, Manning), and then sent Foulke (+Valentine, Johnson, cash) to the A's in exchange for Koch, Holt, and World Series champion Neal Cotts. Yeah

QUOTE(YASNY @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 11:37 AM) Money talks. Yes sir

I'll throw the question out to anyone; do you believe baseball is corrupt enough to cover up a positive steroid test of one of the best players (read:money makers, which tends to exclude Palmeiro) in the league?

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 09:59 AM) So like this would piss ya guys off then?? If I've ever wanted to kick a dog - and I haven't, settle down - it's that one.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 10:27 AM) have you never played MVP 05? Now that is the best game ever. I have. It pales in comparison to Tecmo Super Bowl.

QUOTE(NCsoxfan @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 10:30 AM) It isn't always in the best interest to sign/trade for players coming off of their best years. While that is obvious, it seems like all everyone talks about is signing those very players. Some of these pitchers coming off of injuries will put up good seasons. While there is certainly risk involved, it is worthwhile to take a chance on these kind of players as the risk/reward can be great... I have strong doubts about that last part. Perhaps in Petco they could have good seasons; not at USCF. For starters, Colon's shoulder is shot, meaning the 93-96 MPH fastball he had when he was with the Sox is likely down to 82-92 MPH territory, and he just won't get by on that. Garcia is done for the first half of next year atleast, and seeing as how he had surgery on his labrum, I don't think it's a guarantee he comes back at even 85% of the pitcher he was, and he wasn't that good in 2006. And Clement was just never a good pitcher to begin with; the control problems he's had his entire career would get him lit the f*** up at the Cell.

QUOTE(NCsoxfan @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 10:12 AM) Ok, if not Colon, then what about Matt Clement? Ick

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 10:19 AM) The Twins are looking at Delmon Young, B.J. Upton, and Carlos Gomez. Fields is junk compared to those names. The Sox simply don't have the talent to players in the trade market. Oh I know. I'm merely playing in my fantasy world

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 10:05 AM) We could of had him for free, however Lance Broadway was our pick. Atleast we got a projectable arm

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 07:52 AM) from the same article: The Twins would be winning that deal in a landslide if you ask me Rotoworld talks about how the Twins are looking to trade young pitching, namely Garza, for an impact bat I say offer Fields for Garza and run all the way to the bank.

QUOTE(palehose23 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 03:52 AM) For all the people who want to watch the youngsters develop remember this fact. Only 3 players were drafted, cultivated in the system, and played on the 2005 World Series team Aaron Rowand Joe Crede Mark Buerhle all the rest were thru trades and free agency. GET MIGGY C NOW!!! Frank Thomas hates you too

QUOTE(greg775 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 02:01 AM) I have a gut feeling Crede and Garland are both going to be traded before Friday. Teams will enjoy dealing with us because of the success of our former players in other places. Maggs - BA leader. Frank - Done well. Rowand - Done well. Howry - Done well. Fogg - Done well. Freddy Garcia - smoked some pots

See my sig? DO NOT WANT

QUOTE(Chombi and the Fungi @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 10:58 PM) Pitching wins titles. Maybe being in SD they don't show baseball games but that is a pretty well known thing among baseball. Brewers problems stemmed from lack of pitching last season. Garland slides in as a clear #2 in the NL. Garland has experience and an expiring contract. He can easily be resigned w/ the money they'll have free and most likely would be re-signed over Sheets simply because of money. He isn't expensive as it is and with the money they just spent on a guy who had an era over 5 in the NL the previous season...I think they'd pony up the extra 3 mil a year it'd cost for JG. If he isn't, he will be a B talent...If not an A talent since his numbers will most likely increase in a weak division w/pitchers hitting. Bill Hall is one less homer, hit, etc. shy of not even being a B talent. Since that all has been uselss to you because all you Bismark fans care about is a contract for a middle of the pack CF...I'll break it down in 5th grade terms or your senior year. Above average AL pitcher > above average hitter > Bill Hall (mediocre NL hitter) AL > NL AL pitcher to NL > NL hitter to AL Performance, ability, potential > meaningless contract Garland > Hall Any questions? Yeah, I've explained it already. And it's BismarCk...you should check it out sometime.

If that is seriously all that it would take to get Cabrera, the move should have been made already. You get Cabrera and don't have to give up the best arm in your system? Wow. I'd be shocked.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) People who have blind hate for people in fraternities. QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 03:44 PM) Yessir

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 04:42 PM) Twins might be interesting. I'd trade Sanatana for that package in a hurry

Sorry, I said I was done but you took low blows QUOTE(Chombi and the Fungi @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 12:51 PM) Yea it is going nowhere. Both too stubborn I guess. You won't give up the useless contract part, and I won't give up the factual evidence and logic end of it. You mean the factual evidence and logic that Bill Hall has 3 years left on his deal opposed to Garland's 1? What's so "illogical" about that? Am I lying? Win shares haven't been the argument. My argument has been the contract. You get 36 wins shares out of Hall, you only get 13 out of Garland. What in the blue f*** is so goddamn hard to understand about that??? You mean a pitcher who was worth exactly 1 more win than him this past season when Hall had a bad year and Garland had a pretty good year? and when Hall has 2 more years left on his deal? Laugh away then. They cut Jenkins away because they have outfielders galore in their system. At some point, Braun's going to have to move to the outfield or 1B because there's no way they can stick with his atrocious glove at 3B, and they have LaPorta coming up as well. Why spend the $8 mill when you may very well have that type of production within your system? Who is available for the Brewers to replace Hall in CF? What are the odds Garland would resign for anything less then 5 years at $70 mill? What are the odds he does become a Type A free agent? And you mean to tell me that I can't Corey Hart to CF, Ryan Braun to LF, and Bill Hall to 3B? And thanks for so subtly leaving out his .270/.345/.555/.900 line in 2006; Bill Hall has never been capable of success in his life. K, I'll take 3 years of .825 OPS at SS, 2B, or CF in Bill Hall then, and then use the $7 mill I save to add a starting pitcher through trade. Clearly, you don't understand the concept that 3 > 1. That's what's worse. But thanks for keeping it civilized.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 03:54 PM) Yes. How about Andruw Jones. Yeah thats a good one...why didnt I remember him

QUOTE(knightni @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 03:26 PM) He can hit .255. He's hit .252, .253, and .283 before. It's amazing what some guys can do in their contract years. Perform either well below, well above, or generally right at their career averages? The fluctuation of a player's performance during his contract year is really not that much different from his career averages. Look at the free agents this year and consider how many of them had "contract years." Yeah, some guys have them, and those are the guys that sign the big contracts, so everyone thinks players have them everywhere, but that's just not true. So, for every Adrian Beltre or Carl Pavano, there's a Livan Hernandez or Frank Thomas who either suck or get hurt during their contract year. I don't see anything big out of Uribe without huge changes to his approach at the plate.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 02:54 PM) serious question. There are offensive holes at LF, CF, SS and 2B. Even 3B/LF, as good as Josh has been, can he hit higher than .265 next year? can this team afford to have more than 1? You're right, let's fill the lineup with 9 David Eckstein's and watch them score 650 runs. Atleast they'll hit .300!!! First, if Crede is shipped off, I imagine Damon will be brought in at LF; that just seems to match up well. That's a .750 bat at the least, perhaps even .800. I see a CFer being brought in, say Torii Hunter, and he's an .800-.825 bat. And that leaves Josh Fields at 3B, and he's probably an .800-.850 bat next year. Regardless of all of that, the only thing that matters and ever will matter with this team is pitching. If they don't pitch, they aren't going to win, so quite honestly I'd stop worrying about the offense and would pray that the team 4.77 ERA comes down just a weeee bit...like into atleast the 4.25 range.

If they ask for Fields, Gio, and DLS, I do it without hesitation. Miggy is one of the few players on the market I'd give up a fortune for.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 12:06 PM) How do people think Uribe would do in the Of spots these days? How was he back in 04 when he spent time in CF for those who can remember? That was 2003; it was also just one game.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 10:50 AM) From 2004 to 2007 HRs 34-26-24-18 SLG .534-.515-.498-.442 OPS+ 131-128-126-109 I'd call that a trend. I'd call 2007 an out lier. A 5 point trend down from 2004 to 2006, and then a drop of 17 while he battled wrist injuries? That's having an injury that affects your ability to hit for power, not a trend downwards. How about his average and on-base? AVG .311-.304-.330-.296 OBP .360-.349-.379-.357 I see no trends, other than an injury to the wrists causing problems with power.