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Ken Rosenthal put this bit of news in today's article: “White Sox aren’t done this offseason either,” Rosenthal said. “They’re going to get a starting pitcher, maybe two.” https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/ken-rosenthal-jon-heyman-say-white-sox-have-better-roster-cubs-next-five-years

RF is more a short term spot for 2020. Go with a vet who hits LH and can also play CF or LF, as Robert and Eloy will need some days off. Like the names mentioned: Peralta; Pederson; Jackie Bradley, Jr. None of the names should be a huge cost in terms of talent.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 10:53 PM) No one cares about the W-L stat for pitchers, but the rest I agree with. It was an aside comment not an argument.

Holding onto Q and having him the Sox #1 starter actually may increase his value. It won't help his W-L record. But it might be more palatable to teams to explain to their fan base he's closer to a #1 than a mid rotation guy that many fans from other teams are talking up Q as.

I'm in the faction that the Sox shouldn't trade Q for less than his value. That sours the market for future deals. Hahn should stick with his guns and get the players that he has targeted. If teams don't meet that price now, it doesn't mean they won't at the deadline or next offseason. Q would still have 3 years left. But making a deal just to make one would probably net prospects that wouldn't pan out. I want the headliner to be a blue chip, can't miss guy, with other pieces that may also be big contributors. Q is worth that. Right now, no team seems to want to include one.

Here's the Braves "Talking Chop" list on their top 5 prospects for 2017. They are really high on Acuna, comparing him to Victor Robles, and have him as the Braves #2 prospect behind Albies. Those two headliners for Q would be hard for any team to beat, and would be a nice exclamation point to the rebuild. http://www.talkingchop.com/2016/12/17/1389...1-5/in/13834809

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:22 PM) Huh? If they really want they have massive chips left in Q and Rodon to trade for position players. This is what a rebuild looks like you get the most value you can, regardless of position, and sort it out later. Good call. While Q seems like a lock to get some offense back, the Sox adding pitching could make Rodon a guy to get even more prospects back. Maybe not likely but possible

While the sox need positional players, this seems like a damn good haul for Adam. Totally selling high-which the Sox haven't done for years. The Sox still have Q, Robertson, Jose, Frazier, et al to add offense.

Having Jackson play CF also will save Eaton's legs. My guess is Eaton will play LF.

Well needed.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 5, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) A little bit of a joke, but it wouldn't surprise me. Outside of Cargo, Bruce, Ethier, and Kemp, I really don't know who is out there on the trade front. The Rays have a glut in the OF. They don't have the money to keep everyone.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 12:50 AM) So you're saying there's a chance Nice "Dumb and Dumber" reference

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Feb 7, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) They do if they move some regulars . Which I've thought would happen eventually . Hahn have to be working within some kind of very tight budget or constraint. Maybe Caulfield was right for bringing up signings in June. I laughed every time I saw him mention it because its a terrible plan for a player. If the Sox are intent on still getting better but already at or near some salary cap and don't want to trade certain minor leaguers what does that leave ? It leaves a big trade of multiple pieces which was why I brought up trading Q to the Dodgers before we started hearing about wanting Puig. It's really the only alternative left . I'm almost to the point of thinking screw these guys ( free agents who will feel they might've got bad advice from their agents and if sign with the Sox they come with a chip on their shoulders like they are pissed they had to sign here.) The Sox can't trade away Q at this point. The time would have been early when more teams had unfilled rosters. But that would leave them further away from contending. Esp. as our 4th and 5th SPs are not locks. I still think an addition will be made more likely involving a trade without Anderson, Fulmer or Adams.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 6, 2016 -> 06:31 AM) This is rather interesting speculation by Levine. The Sox are looking for another outfielder and Jennings fits the mold although he hits RH. Early in the off season the Sox were rumored to be shopping EJ so kicking the tires on Odorizzi wouldn't be surprising. Curious about what the Rays would want for Odorizzi/Jennings. I'm sure Fulmer would be the first name mentioned by the Rays. I bet the Rays would like Tyler Danish-a local kid from suburban Tampa [Plant City]. With Fulmer and Spencer Adams, a deal involving him could work.

Desmond likely will be traded by the Rays. His $3.3 mill. salary for a 4th OFer is way to rich for their liking. The A's article said they could get Desmond for a B level prospect. It should take more than that. But the Sox would be better off with a healthy Desmond-give you a 3 WAR-for the cost [$3.3 mill. this year, maybe $4 mill. next) rather than Fowler for three years at $10 mill. per. The Sox need a good, versatile glove and who has a bat with upside.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 07:26 PM) I see Cespedes as a more likely fit in RF than Gordon and since signing an OF is all about getting Avisuck outta here... I'll go with Cespedes. Melky can play RF. Its been a few years since he's played there. Pull Melky for defense late in games.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) Actually with the addition of Lawrie the Sox have more than a couple players (Avi amongst them, oddly) who are pretty good at seeing a lot of pitches. I know thats not the exact same thing as working a count, but it's not like the Sox need to be looking for tougher outs as much as just straight up mashers. Also Cespedes has reverse splits and would fit in the lineup as if he were a LHH. The Sox have been adding guys who are tougher outs and need more. Don't get me wrong, I'd take Cespedes as its not my money. But the Sox have for years had too inconsistent of hitters. Too many guys overmatched, swinging outside the zone, getting themselves out oftentimes. A disciplined, professional hitter like Gordon is definitely needed. I'd take a free swinger like Cespedes. But the boom or bust guys I've had enough of over the years. Cespedes fits more into the latter category.

I lean towards Gordon. The Sox need the lefty bat, the on base skills, the OF defense, that Gordon can bring. Plus, at a reduced cost, compared to Cespedes. The Sox need more bats like Gordon, who can work counts, make contact, and provide balance to the RH heavy lineup. Adding Gordon would be like adding a lefty version of Todd Frazier to the OF-without the power-above average defense, and solid all around, professional baseball player.

I could see a 5 year deal be the key to signing him. If the 5th is contingent on games played in the 4th.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 11:07 PM) Who falls into that category that Garcia could be traded for? I can't think of any. I don't have a name right off the top of my head. But Garcia has trade value that could probably help the sox this year with a guy like Gordon added. Hahn has to have a trade partner lined up who would want Garcia if the signed a free agent

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 08:31 PM) I'm all for an Alex Gordon signing. In a vacuum, both Cespedes and Upton are bigger offensive threats than Gordon, even though Gordon is a strong offensive player in his own right. But this isn't a vacuum, it's selecting one player to best fit our circumstances. Weighing everything, I think that means Gordon -- and rather handily. Factors that make Gordon the chosen one, include: * His OBP is better and should continue to be better * Handedness does matter and the Sox need a strong left-handed bat * The Sox don't need another masher, they need a talented overall bat (I'd go Eaton, Melky, Gordon, Abreu) * Defense matters. A lot. And the Sox need it badly. The others aren't bad, but Gordon is strong. * Gordon has a track record of success in the AL Central. * $$$. Repeat, $$$. Gordon might cost 4/$72M (something like that). The others are likely both at least 6/$130M. The Sox could plow some of this savings immediately into pitching, or save some as additional war-chest for the deadline deal that we'll undoubtedly need this year for our playoff push. Yes, he has some cons: he's a little older, has a recent injury (I trust our medical/training team), and doesn't have the same "shock and awe" factor as the other two. Even if those things matter, they pale in comparison to his many pros. For me, Gordon fits our circumstances the best, but you'll hear no complaints from me about either Cespedes or Upton (different pros and cons, but similar overall impact from my perspective). Well said. Getting a true professional like Gordon would be a nice coup for the Sox. We'd be lucky to get him. With Gordon signed, the Sox could trade Avi for a young starting pitcher who may be struggling-like Garcia. If he's not starting he could be a bullpen arm.

Just wanted to say great job on everyone who helps run the site. Even though I haven't posted in ages, Soxtalk is still my first stop for all things Sox related.

Seems like a very humble, grounded family man. He's a guy to root for. Lucky he's a White Sox.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 03:29 PM) Hahn stated early on in the off season that he would likely deal from the team's strength to acquire better offensive position players. As of today, our catchers are pretty bad. For those who think Nieto will come in and save the day, your wrong. The way I see it, both Flowers and Phegley can be compared to Karkovice. They are serviceable backups but they have no business starting on an MLB team on most days. Jason Castro is one of the most up and coming talented catchers in the game, not to mention a left handed hitter with some pop. Why wouldn't we go after him? I understand your point about losing our young arms in Reed and Santiago but you do have to give in order to get and this team STILL needs offensive help at the C position. Trading Q will not set back the growing farm. Will it set back our rotation? Maybe. Not unless they sign a free agent pitcher and we see Johnny Danks return to form. This move can also open up a spot for guys like Reinzo, Paulino and Johnson. One thing I am confident about in the white sox organization, is they do know how to develop young pitching. IMO, the Sox deals for Eaton and Davidson maxed out the pitching that Hahn had in mind. Losing Q in a trade for Castro, and then needing to sign a questionable, more expensive and far less talented free agent to replace Q, [Rienzo, Surkamp, etc aren't really options, more like AAA ready depth in case of injury] would turn the Sox's rotation strength into an area of weakness. Now if a trade of Q turned into a top SP prospect, a solid upgrade at C, + talent, then maybe. For Castro basically, no thanks.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 07:18 AM) No, I wouldn't. I'm just telling you they certainly have the pieces to get a trade done, they just don't have the flexibility and depth to live with that kind of trade. Which is pretty much what I was saying. It would hurt the Sox too much to pull off a deal like that.