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Giolito and White Sox at 5.01/similar team winning percentage. Mired in mediocrity. Well, then again, a 7.20 ERA against the worst offense in fifty years isn't a good outing no matter how they spin it.

Not according to Ron...it's that he is really 38-39 or related to chewing tobacco.

Baez woke up again when everyone started booing him. Moncada almost messed up that one. Double clutch.

If not Giolito, the bullpen when tied or trailing...

He took over the mantle from Anderson as anti-clutch now. Might require another Ron thread. Must have been the thread praising his fWAR/$$$.

16 hits combined. Would hardly call it a slugfest. Just lousy pitching.

corrected...oops

Jimenez is going to win AL Player of the Month at this rate.

Leury's limping.

Pollock always plays like he's more concerned about missing team flight or dinner reservations.

Is it? He will never be out of the lineup. Well, goodbye Sosa.

That would be another acknowledgement the rebuild was veering off course. Can't do that.

Well that's physics/genetics due to his height and wingspan. One advantage he retains at least.

Name three Rays' hitters other than Arozarena. Franco is out. Kiermaier is out.

Unless it was Leury Sheets or Abreu.

Broken ankle lol. Torn knee ligaments or groin/hip flexor again.

Well that would just about guarantee he goes to Dodgers or Angels and finishes Top 5 Cy Young as a Dodger like Tyler Anderson will...

Sox #6, Tigers #1 in ERA this month for MLB. Now about those offenses?

The movie comments are acceptable, though? Or not?

Nope, just that Robert Moncada and Jimenez deals cumulatively carry similar risks. It's not like the Padres are going to turn around and trade Soto when they've already sold out or essentially limited to just selected individual game sales. That money is already locked in since the trade deadline moves.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/newsletter/2022-08-13/padres-daily-fernando-tatis-jr-teammates-fans-machado-musgrove-clevinger-soto-drury-bell-cronenworth-padres-daily But this case might be different than a lot of other falls from grace. The higher someone is lifted, the further and harder they can fall. And Tatis, despite his well-deserved accolades, doesn’t have a ton of built-up collateral as cushion for the crash. He is so wondrously talented, so charismatic and so likeable that he had already risen to a level of adoration rarely seen in San Diego. But what seems to have been driven home for people over the past several months is that he has a penchant for letting down his team and his town. By the time his suspension is over, he will have played in just 273 of the Padres’ 578 games (not counting the upcoming postseason) since he made his debut on opening day in 2019. That’s 47 percent. Injuries aren’t his fault, but injury isn’t all that has kept him off the field. Yesterday’s news, of course, follows the revelation on the first day of spring training that Tatis had fractured his wrist in a motorcycle spill and would require surgery and miss multiple months at the start of the season. Where there was a significant willingness to set aside one mistake as a learning experience, there was far less yesterday. “The second time we’ve been disappointed with him,” pitcher Mike Clevinger said last night. “You hope he grows up and learns from this and learns it’s about more than just him.” For as strong as those words were, what was perhaps most striking yesterday was the tone struck by Padres President of Baseball Operations A.J. Preller. He loves Tatis. This clearly hurt and angered Preller.…. A lot of us should be thankful we didn’t get massive amounts of money and fame in our early 20s. We wouldn’t have handled it well. But we can have empathy for Tatis and still say say he really messed up. To whom much is given, much is expected. For whatever other things could possibly be gleaned from Preller’s heartfelt remarks last night, including that the team is going to take a hard look at how Tatis handled his offseason, it should not be overlooked that Preller ended on a somewhat softer note in which he was sure to praise a young man.

OPS is quite different from fWAR obviously…a 4.5ish would be the equivalent of an 875-925 corner infielder/outfielder/DH. Even then, just look at how that held up for Heyward with the Cubs. Eventually offensive shortcomings tend to overwhelm the positives of his game perception-wise. At least when you’re making $20-30 million salaries,

“Of the 50 fastest men's 100m sprint times ever, only 15 have been run by an athlete NOT banned for drugs or subject to allegations of missed / failed drugs tests. All 15 were by Usain Bolt.” Except you’re talking 0.1 or 0.15 or 0.2 seconds at most at that elitist of levels.

By comparison, if we extrapolate 1 1/2 seasons of Luis Robert as he just turned 25, based on 600 at bats as one season and 1200 as two…we’d get Luis Robert at 9.6 fWAR, or almost the exact same 4.8 fWAR number as Tatis with a -45% correction. But Tatis still maintains the 13.7 to 7.0 fWAR head start for now…with roughly a year and a third of age difference. 8.0 if you give Robert an additional 1.0 for the rest of the season, although that’s far from a certainty at this point. It will be fascinating to see who comes out ahead career-wise in fWAR. Could totally go either way. By the way, the Padres will have paid (including signing bonus of $10 million for new “statue” deal) about $20 million total through the end of next season for Tatis. That has a value of $100+ million in production, not counting publicity/advertising/marketing/jersey and ticket sales…including the cap on season ticket sales for 2023. Luis Robert will earn roughly the same $20.5 in career earnings through 2023. But if you add another $26 million from his original signing bonus, it’s $46.5 million vs. Tatis’ $20.

The crazy thing is that Tatis’ contract runs out in 12 years, which is his age 35 season, That’s the FIRST year that Bonds is acknowledged to be regularly doping (first tried in 1997), after the McGwire/Sosa home run chase of 1998 when he played third wheel or fiddle. From 1986-1998, his age 22-34 seasons, Bonds put up 99.2 fWAR for an AVERAGE of 7.6 per season. He was already a HoFer then. In 1999, his stolen bases dramatically declined from 28 to 15 and he was barely recognizable 2-3 years later. That was also his first season of negative defense. His first steroids year, in 1999, at age 35, only a 3.3 fWAR. From 2000-2004, ages 36-40, an age when almost no position players can survive today…7.6, 12.5, 12.2, 10.7 and 11.9 seasons. Basically an average of 11.0 fWAR, which amounted to a 45% boost from his first 13 seasons…those so called prime playing years. Then ages 41-43 he finally fell apart, 0.7 but still a quite respectable 3.2 and 3.2 at 42-43. Tatis has 13.7 fWAR through his age 23 season, including 81 homers. Which amounts to two full seasons of around 6.8 fWAR, not all that far off the Bonds fWAR average for ages 22-34. So if we correct downwards by that 45% Bonds boost, he’s a 4.7 fWAR player instead. Steroids alone can’t account for his additional height/leverage, exit velocity, that much of an increase in sprint speed and throwing the ball from 91-97 mph from the SS position. In fact, most players that bulk up tend to lose speed. That’s assuming he has been using regularly from age 15 to 16 and just got caught by chance…instead of first using them this past offseason for helping to deal with shoulder and wrist pain in order to get back on the field as quickly as possible. The initial prognosis was a return the first week of June, and he was roughly 2 1/2 months behind that timeframe from March/April. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/fernando-tatis-jr-28791/ He doesn’t hit Moncada $25ish million salary ranges until his age 28 and 29 seasons, just like Yoan is near to reaching.