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What the hell was Nunez doing there? Twins playing really tentatively now...maybe playing not to lose, worried about making the out at 3rd and almost got caught in between. Hurdle with the quick hook, let's hope he doesn't wait until it's a tie game to utilize Melancon this time.

Twins' not playing 2000's brand of defense. Should only be a 6-3 lead if not for Rosario misplaying the ball in RF and then a terrible throw from Dozier that skipped into the dugout or crowd. Of course, a 7-3 lead disappeared in a heartbeat last night thanks to Watson.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) In all fairness, it was more to point out the lack of playoff appearances from 1959 on (which is basically zero until you get to 1983) and the relative lack of success (although still better than the 60's and 70's) under Reinsdorf. For those who don't know, from 1960 through 1967 the White Sox had a winning season. Between 1963 and 1965 they AVERAGED 94 wins a year. I'd take that in a heartbeat today. Unfortunately for the Sox it came at a time when only one team got to the World Series from each league, there were no expanded playoffs. But I'd argue the Sox had tremendous success in the 1960's. Mark Yeah, I guess that gets lost....those Fox/Aparacio/Pierce teams (Minoso as well?) in the fact that Hawk's obsessed with 1967 (Red Sox in him coming out) and the four teams being tied down the stretch and how the White Sox offense struggled to score that season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) The context is all there. You are keep trying to pull back to generations earlier and use it against the team, but then try to claim that you aren't using as a reason for 2015. It is trying to have it both ways. It is really obvious, even if you don't want to admit it. I honestly don't think you will ever be able to have a "reasonable" conversation on this topic, because the grudge and anger here seem to run really deep, which is why the same posts about 35 and 55 years ago keep coming up over and over and over again in so many other topics and threads. Referring back to the 1960's/70's/80's fan bases, in multiple conversations about attendance in 2015, but trying to claim they weren't about attendance in 2015 is disingenuous at best. You can rant and get angry all you want, but the point you were trying to make is obvious, even as you retreat from it because you see how absurd it is. If you didn't want to make the point, you wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place in the context that you did. In all fairness, it was more to point out the lack of playoff appearances from 1959 on (which is basically zero until you get to 1983) and the relative lack of success (although still better than the 60's and 70's) under Reinsdorf. On one hand, JR has worked miracles, if you want to compare it to the previous two decades. On the other, if you compare it with all the teams in baseball history, we're going to end up in the bottom 3rd in terms of recent success and definitely historical playoff/postseason success. Actually, you could probably argue the opposite point. That winning the World Series in 2005 took some of the interest and pressure off fans who had waited a whole lifetime and they went back to normal lives and families, much as a lot of the old posters at SoxTalk and WSI disappeared. Of the oldest franchises, it's hard to think of one besides maybe the Cleveland Indians with a less successful track record. And even the Indians had that amazing run in the 90's with all those consecutive sellouts at Jacobs Field. Basically, from 1994-2002. Of course, it didn't end in a World Series title, but that was one of the best teams ever not to win one.

If we're going for utility infielders, can we at least add one who's already familiar with the AL Central?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/30196/mat-latos If we're going to worry about Puig's last month or CarGo's last 28 at-bats, then the Dodgers are definitely paying attention to the June and July stats of Latos. He's got at least 2 MPH of velocity back on his FB of late as well. 45.2 IP, 33 H, 15 ER, 9 BB, 43 K's, 2.96 ERA BAA of .224 and .159 Last 7 starts. 6.5 innings per start. Allowing less than one baserunner per inning, which is always a good thing.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:39 AM) Hopefully for a bus ticket to send LaRoche far from here. What are we going to buy with LaRoche besides some salary relief?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:40 AM) Rangers, Cubs, Astros, Red Sox, Dodgers, Giants Keep forgetting about the Cubs. Are they coming off the "Starling Castro will net us any pitcher we want" routine and throwing out some legit prospects like McKinney, Gleyber Torres, Edwards, Almora, etc.?

Which suitors are left for Hamels? Yankees? Blue Jays? Twins in a shocker? Rangers? Astros? Cardinals? Giants? With how well Latos has been pitching recently, they're not forced to jump into the market for another pitcher...although they'll be happy to take another one at desperation sell prices (see Shields) on the 31st.

Which suitors are left for Hamels? Yankees? Blue Jays? Twins in a shocker? Rangers? Astros? Cardinals? Giants?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) anthony fenech ‏@anthonyfenech 41m41 minutes ago White Sox will be buyers at the trade deadline, I'm told. Hello, KW. This isn't Hahn planting something with the media.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) Well I agree with you here. Pity, really. He's easily a top 100 prospect and just the kind the Sox will undervalue. Infield is showing promise, but still no sense that either Saladino or Sanchez are major league starter quality in the long term. I could see another trade Chris Young keep Anderson situation You're overvaluing him by a bit. The only way he's top 100 is if he has a Billy Hamilton-esque ability to steal 75+ bags. All signs as he has advanced to the AA/AAA level is that he's probably closer to a 30-45 type. The other problem is Hamilton was going to get a lot of his value defensively, but Micah's giving up a lot of WAR points so it has to be made up offensively, just like with Avi.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) You make a good point but you generally don't want to buy low and sell high in the same move, which is what we would be doing by trading Quintana for Puig. It would probably be contingent on getting one more player like a Guerrero or Barnes. If you can kill two birds with one stone, then it's starting to make a lot more sense from a short and long-term standpoint.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) I'm not against picking up Puig. The guy is uber talented and maybe a change of scenery is what he needs. What I am against is trading a 5 fWAR pitcher with 5 years of team control left at cheap salary to do so. Then you won't get him. Guys like Anderson, Montas, Danish and Hawkins aren't of any help to the Dodgers right now. You could spend your entire off-season FA budget ($80-120 million) on Wieters, Heyward, Gordon or Cespedes, and the odds are better than 50/50 that Puig would end up the better player at a fraction of that price. That's the gamble, that you instead use that money on the starting rotation, and take your chances with Sale/Iwakuma or Latos/Rodon/Erik Johnson or Montas and Fulmer. The question essentially becomes are you better off with Puig + Iwakuma/Latos (just throwing two names out there who will be closer to $50 than $100 million, Edinson Volquez would be another example, Francisco Liriano, etc.) or Sale/Quintana/FA pitcher/Rodon/EJ or Montas or Fulmer and basically the same line-up offensively, with Avi and LaRoche both getting lots of at-bats? I think right now they can much more easily justify adding a younger, cost-controlled potential superstar position player and another veteran (Iwakuma/Latos/Gallardo, etc.) than they can justify $90-110 million on a pitcher in his early 30's like Samardzija.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) I was for trading Q for Puig initially, but the more I think about the more I don't like it. Puig has red flags, and his performance this year is a big one. On the other hand, if you're always in the business of buying high (Dunn, Cabrera, LaRoche, Keppinger, Robertson) and not on dips, then you'll be completely screwed if you also have a bottom tier farm system. Look at guys like Contreras, Pods, Hermanson, Dye and AJ before 2005. You can add Jenks to that "questionable character" list as well, with AJ. All of them were risks and had major red flags of one sort or another. Same with Carl Everett, for that matter, and El Duque (pretty big contract for someone who was going to struggle to be the 5th starter). Sometimes, you have to roll the dice when you look at the track record of Puig over a three-year period and his age and then try to analyze what's actually going on....how much of it is physical, mental, comfort level, pressing?

And pretty much every overpaid veteran bat is a bad idea, too. The only solution is what the Angels did, those incremental changes with a David Murphy type who's already familiar with the AL or David DeJesus, etc. You have to be pretty certain you're getting an upgrade over Avi or Saladino. Saladino's held his own so far, so you also have to decide if you want to displace him or if you're confident he can continue to play at this level. It's very doubtful the White Sox are in a position to add another contract commitment beyond 2015 at mid-season unless it's for someone like Puig. Look at the 2012 trades/acquisitions, Hudson/Youk/Liriano/Myers were all FA's at the end of that season. If there was any hope for re-signing Samardzija (which I'm not advocating), bringing in the likes of a CarGo or Ethier or Reyes (guaranteed contracts for $15+ million per year through 2016 or 2017) will completely preclude that from happening.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) I would do that deal in a heartbeat, but I very much doubt the Dodgers do. Plus it is pretty rare when two teams are trading their top prospects in a deal between each other (yes each team is also giving up major league pieces). If we were really lucky, we'd be able to deal Q and a reliever (maybe just Q but I doubt it) for Puig + (and by + I mean a Guerrero or a Barnes). Forget Seager and Urias. If we want anyone back, like Puig + Guerrero (and salary relief) and/or Barnes, we're going to have to give something else up besides Quintana (but not to the level of Montas/Anderson, who of course would be the players they're most interested in).

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 05:48 AM) Well that's the easiest question ever. He's a lefty, big time of upgrade of a bat at a position that needs one who is already familiar with a good portion of our pitching staff at the cost of nothing. Oh yeah and he'll grab the same amount of much needed local headlines as getting a cargo or Upton at 1/50th of the price. We're still on the verge of being in it, not definitely in it. We're not gonna empty the farm this year for a top bat. Need to start looking at guys who won't cost us anything or well stand pat. AJ applies there. If they do make that move, it means they almost 100% would have to move on from Tyler Flowers for next season. While we would all probably love to see it happen, still not sure the front office believes that's the right thing to do...it still seems they need to have at least one catcher who can go out there at least 60% of the time, or basically 90-105 games. They pretty much symbolically moved on from the Buehrle/Konerko/AJ stage at the end of last season.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/reac...st-trade-2.html Reactions to the Zobrist deal. I just read the AP story tonight said Gordon is expected back in late September. I thought Moore said late August/early September. If Gordon comes back late September, that will be dicey. You have to give him his job back but if he hits .120 in the postseason and KC doesn't reach the Series, Moore and Ned will be blasted for playing Gordon. Allegedly it took Rios a month to get his timing back. Alex Gordon has been there the longest of all their veteran guys, along with Hochevar. It's a respect issue, and also because they owe him the opportunity to prove he's healthy with free agency approaching. If they didn't play him and kept him on the bench, Moore would get blasted 10X more than he would for pushing Infante aside with Zobrist. The reality of the situation is that they'll probably send him to Arizona to work for a week or so to get his timing back, if they can't figure out a way to fit him into the end of the minor league season or possibly the playoffs (not sure which KC teams are eligible, if any). It's kind of a dicey issue to send a major league veteran to play on a AA or A+ team in the post-season, but they'll do what's best for the team and Gordon in terms of preparing him to come back as close to 100% as possible. Actually, Gordon would be given priority over Alex Rios as well...so there's just no way he will be on the bench unless he's just not ready physically, which would be very surprising for that type of injury to take longer than 2 months. Usually it's closer to six weeks.

Alas, Google.com is blocked in China.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:16 AM) wOBA of .297 with an .OPS under .700. Defensive WAR is carrying him despite his 15 homers. And yet even with those relatively tepid stats he's so important to the Royals they wouldn't trade him for Anderson, Montas and Hawkins. Only if Fulmer was included would it even be a discussion in their front office. He has that five year contract for $7 million, even more of a bargain to them than Sale and Quintana to the Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Adam Dunn made the All Star team for the White Sox. Was he the token rep? I think not. Not even an injury replacement. He was a stud. And where did you predict that was going to happen? Surely, it was right during the heart of the 2011 season? Right around the time you were predicting how great Ubaldo Jimenez was going to be last year for the Orioles.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:47 AM) How about Baseball Prospectus: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensa...ngeles-dodgers/ Or MLB Trade Rumors http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/dodg...-listening.html You just made those up. You paid off the writers from all those sites with bribes to prevent a Puig deal from going through! Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely...or so they say. This is a new form of argument never seen before, I'll give him that much. Now I know what it's like to be in a debate with Donald Trump at least.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:26 PM) Thanks! Having to go to MLB.com wild card standings has already gotten annoying. http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings Problem solved.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:33 AM) I would classify the Moms Demand Action as idiots. You can oppose guns or favor gun control without lying thru the backing of a billionaire hell bent on getting rid of guns while maintaining his own personal police force, armed with guns. And snark aside, if there were any number of those, MDA would be screaming about it with all the might the Bloomberg dollars could muster. You know it. How is that any different from when the Koch Brothers or Rupert Murdoch pretty overtly funds similar organizations with right-wing agendas that have innocuous sounding names such as Moms Demand Lower Taxes....or pretty much anything associated with the Tea Party these days, if it still exists. You have your MDA (not Muscular Dystrophy Association, that's not the best choice for them), we have our Joe The Plumbers that are beyond idiocy because they don't even realize they're being used.