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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) Which is, to note, another indictment of the White Sox coaching and development. Other teams are ok with figuring out how to develop Phegley and Semien, we get them up quickly, decide we don't like them, declare them unteachable, and then move on. We kind of did the same thing with Daniel Hudson...very short ropes. Ryan Sweeney didn't get a very extended look and he was also more productive with other teams. They didn't set the world on fire, but you also can't keep trading most of your young players and replacing them with expensive vets unless you're a true larget market team...and even at the $140-$180 million mark, there's nothing that convincing to make an assumption we'd be anything but a .500 team still. If you added Russell Martin and Nelson Cruz instead of Cabrera, where would we be? The Mariners tried to spend their way into competitiveness with Cano and Cruz and their future isn't much better than ours....it might even be worse with the Cano contract.

“Sale did exactly what you want an ace to do in a situation like this,” Robertson said. “I went out there and stunk it up and gave it up tonight. It was a poor performance on me. I should have been there to pick the team up. We needed this one really bad. This one hurt.” At least Robertson took his share of the blame. Csnchicago.com

NRA member blames deaths on the fact those in the church were not allowed to carry guns (specifically the pastor who supposedly opposed such a measure) ....even makes Republicans upset, admits he tried to delete post/s http://news.yahoo.com/nra-board-member-bla...-213331785.html

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 12:10 AM) Is that southside newspaper still in business? The one Cowley worked for. Is Cowley still around? Daily Southtown

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:00 PM) For all intents and purposes it should have been/ could possibly still be pretty medium. Gillaspie as of now has about a .755 career OPS against righties, Beckham.670 against lefties for something like a .727 combined. The American league average is .733. The problem is Beckham had been hitting righties much better than lefties. 380 ops vs. lefties, 726 against righties. That kind of blows up the whole concept...then you add Gillaspie's defense and you're in the bottom quartile at that position...not unlike 2012, when it killed us.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:04 PM) As soon as I saw Robertson on the mound I knew what was going to happen. The absolute stupidity of this coaching staff is amazing. Roberston has been shaky for awhile now... 7 game losing streak - all the pressure. You let Sale go out there- if he gives up a base runner or two then you bring in Robertson - give him a chance to be a hero. All Robin did was give a scared pitcher a chance to be the goat. I had enough of Robin. I knew he was a fraud at the end of the 2012. At some point you need to win a F****** game and not worry about 10 GD pitches. If after all that time with the glare of the spotlight pitching for Yankees and with Rivera as his mentor leaves him scared pitching for a last place team, the White Sox really are snakebitten in an almost inexplicable way.

He booted a tailor-made DP ball up the middle and let in two runs to give the Twins an early lead...10 errors.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 09:29 PM) Hey--guess what, kids? If the A's win, the Sox will have the worst record in the AL on June 19. Oak did have a 7-2 lead over the Angels but close to blowing it...looks like the White Sox will have to wait. Pujols GS (20), Angels score seven runs and only one out recorded (Zobrist made an error as well) in the top of the seventh. Another error in the inning, three on the game. Now three errors in one inning, four for the game. Eight runs and counting. White Sox and A's are mirror images of each other.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) Chris Sale's contract is such that the risk of shoulder injury is mostly negated by how team friendly the contract is. Right, which is what forces another GM to give up a king's ransom, compared to the short-term rental rate of a Price or Cueto.

Yeah, if they're forced to "Nick Swisher" Eaton, that's yet one MORE open position to fill...leaving only Abreu and probably but not 100% certainly Avi Garcia. Two DH's out of position, unfortunately.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 09:22 PM) The Shark trade was not bad, the Sox got a legit #2 for a few fringe prospects. Actually it was a very good trade. I have said this before and I'll say it again, there is a serious lack of impact Cs across MLB. Teams with good depth at catcher are not going to trade whatever able bodies they have at the position. There are 25 GMs who are not satisfied with their catching situation. If you're going into the season expecting to contend, why trade Alexi? LaRoche was a smart move, one of the few guys on the team doing what he's supposed to do. Robertson has been great too. Hahn had a great offseason, this season rest on the players, that's who I blame. Four blown saves before the All-Star break doesn't scream great. He was great but lost his sharp cutter somewhere along the way. Not sure if it was overuse...but he needs to go to more knuckle curves. The problem is we don't have the catchers to block them.

Robertson is nearing bad contract if he can't rediscover his sharp cutter. Cabrera is 2011 Dunn bad if you look beyond average. In his three seasons prior to the ped's breakout, he was a 20% below average hitter and fielder and now he's even older and doesn't have the motivation of a new contract to play for. Bonifacio was a total waste of money. Same with Keppinger and Downs. Samardzija will turn out, at best, as a slight net loss. The catching and 2b situations are laughably bad...and more examples of terrible development decisions. Eaton and Avi had to be as good or better than 2014...same with Abreu. Didn't happen. The Danks contract continues to plague the back end of the rotation. Held on to Alexei Ramirez too long and will end up with scraps/salary relief at best. The minor league system is a joke at the AAA level...we don't have a single prospect (not even Anderson or Montas) we can count on 100%. When there was a chance to still save the season, Hahn did absolutely nothing...except the embarassing Sanchez for Micah flip-flop.

The problem is any GM who gives up that much young talent and then Sale pitches for only a year or two before going down with an elbow or shoulder injury is risking his career...ending up like the Vikings' GM who gave up the future by dealing for Herschel Walker. They won't get Bryant, so it would have to start Russell/Schwarber and go from there...Soler and Baez would be risky third pieces for Hahn. But, based on how Castro has looked this year, you can't do it if you're Epstein. You go after Cueto and maybe Price if the Tigers fall back even more.

Well, to be fair, Lewis did just put up 24 consecutive scoreless innings on them until the Flowers homer. Tip your caps. Six starts in a row against the Sox, six victories for Colby.

Two weeks too late now. Season is over...

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:44 AM) I have said it too many times now on contracts. And I was referring to end of 2011 (since I said 3 or 4 years ago and happened to pick that team) and the team heading into 2012. That roster had Dunn and Rios and Danks now signed long-term (2012). Oh and for the record, salary inflation is a real thing in baseball. Avg player salary is up 6.56/yr in MLB since 2011 (or 33% over the total period...3.2M in 11 to 4.5M in 15). So if I take the 2011 payroll (end of 2011), which was 129.2M and increase it by the 33%, in today's payroll dollars, the equivalent payroll would be 171.83M. The current 2015 payroll is $110M. So our payroll is $61M less then the MLB inflation adjusted 2011 payroll and we have one of the 5 best pitchers in baseball (Sale), one of the best hitters in baseball (Abreu) and another one of the best pitchers in baseball (Quintana). We also have the top pitching prospect in baseball (or one of them) in Rodon and the farm system ranks significantly higher then it did in 2011 (in terms of all publications). New marketing slogans. "Our overall record since 2013 doesn't reflect more effective allocation of resources!!!" "If Rick Hahn had been allowed to spend another $61 million..we might be in 3rd or 4th place instead."

QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) Yeah, fire Robin, fire Steverson, fire Hahn and buy out JR. Let Kenny walk to Toronto, and put Buddy Bell on a boat to China. You might see some changes, or you might not. Hey, we don't want him here in China, either. The game will never develop properly if he's in charge of it.

He had a high change-up to drive there. Sigh. And the long wandering in the desert continues.

Cabrera better hit a walk off...or he's going to leave the field to a cascade of boos.

Was Ozzie booed like that at home near the end of the 2011 season? Sad state of affairs. Feel bad for Sale and Ventura.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) There was no reason to pull Sale tonight. Blow this team up including the coaching staff. 111 pitches....he could have gone another inning, but then you don't have one of the highest paid closers in baseball for nothing. Robertson's cutter is very flat now, no depth...and he doesn't trust the knuckle curve as much for his strikeout pitch. 4 blown saves now...on a pace for 9-10. Don't think we'll be trading him, either.

Who predicted a 2-1 loss at the beginning of this thread?

Alberto, Odor, Profar....the Rangers can really develop infielders.

There's a surprise. Can't put the Rangers away...setting up some drama.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) Pitchers in MLB history who have struck out 12 batters or more in 5 straight games: Pedro Martinez Randy Johnson As of right now that is all. Chris is 1 strikeout away. What about 10+ for six? Who has done that? Sanchez up to .147.