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Moneyball has zero or nothing to do with OBP. Those teams won because of Hudson/Mulder/Zito and then enough offense with guys like Giambi, Chavez and Tejada sprinkled in there. They filled out their last 25% of the roster with those Dan Johnson/Hatteberg/Swisher types (high OBP at 1B/LF/RF/DH)....but the whole idea of it as being an area where they exploited this concept to build some kind of replicable dynasty is a complete joke. Moneyball should have been about the Twins....but Ryan over there was never interesting or compelling or egomaniacal enough to write about.

Nope, Marty. Ozzie didn't have that "power" until well after 2005. You remember, KW brought in the likes of Javy, Cabrera, Swisher and Thome? None of those were "Ozzie moves," with the exception of Freddy Garcia. Ozzie has seemingly had almost unlimited roster control since before the 2010 season...especially in regards to Viciedo, not dumping Pierre, not bringing back Thome (rotating DH with Jones/Kotsay/positional players resting once every week or 2).

QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 07:10 PM) Rios hit .245/.250/.654 in August. Not the greatest, but an improvement over the rest of the season. Surprisingly, his best month was June, where he hit .266. He has had 4 HR over the last 6 weeks. Basically the same numbers that banished Brian Anderson from baseball. Except he actually played a much better CF than Rios has this entire season. And for a much cheaper salary.

Come Watch the Boring White Sox Whose Colorful Manager Split for the Baseball Paradise Known As South Beach White Sox Baseball: Fuc- You Fans! You're all idiots and will make less in your lifetime than I do in one year of lousy managing. Sox Rock: Come out and support us in our ongoing effort to surpass the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies for most payroll dollars spent per win Come out and see our young players who win AAA batting titles and are voted best hitting prospect but are believed by their organization to be "not ready" while their manager continues to utilize 3 for 82 Dunn in key situations Come out and see the 2nd player in history to have more K's than his batting average (LOL at the post-game caller who said Dunn was bearing down in his 3 at-bats today so as to avoid striking out and gaining this statistical "distinction") White Sox Baseball: It's Not Even as Fun as Oney Tweets or Joe Cowley "Who Am I?/Where Have I Been?" Mastercard Commercials starring Brooks Boyer

Rios hit .250 in August and is 9/24 (.375) for August. But still only 3 homers and 12 RBI's combined for what basically amounts to six weeks of play. Sure, he's missed out on playing time because of DeAza, but not nearly as much as Dunn. And his overall OBP is still .258, vs. lifetime as .323. That's pretty terrible. And his road OPS is still well south of 550.

Without Ozzie, we finally get rid of Walker. That might be the ONLY remaining way left to turn around Rios/Dunn/Beckham. Because of that impending risk, and that amount of money alone invested in those guys (the equivalent of $100+ million), goodbye Ozzie. Otherwise, you're just writing all three of them off completely. Imagine the heat Beckham would be taking (if we were within 2-3 games of DET still), were it not for the presence of Dunn/Rios/Peavy this year?? Or even Morel...like Anderson in 2006.

What's really scaring me is that DJ and Farmer were talking up Juan Pierre as an awesome #2 hitter for next season. That's the second coming of the apocalypse. KW gone, Ozzie stays and we have another season of Juan Pierre...blocking DeAza/Lillibridge from playing and wasting, let's say, another $4.5 million. The bloom is also officially off the rose on the Tyler "Long Swing Surpassed Only by Adam Dunn" Flowers experiment.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 05:39 PM) Boy that Rios kid is special. Look for some good things from him next year. GREEN? Hyperbole?

Ozzie's managing was so great!!! Ozzie didn't make a single mistake this entire game because we won. Just win, baby!!! Give him the extension right now. Even DJ and Farmer are saying how terrible we played...fifth time with bases loaded is finally the charm. Indians issued 11 walks and gave up 10 hits. If either Dunn or Ramirez are playing on Sunday, Ozzie should be fired on the spot....whenever that line-up card is posted.

There was another interesting revelation that the White Sox have admitted they messed up with Beckham...and that one executive with another MLB team said "The White Sox do the worst job in the majors of promoting players who are not properly prepared and bringing them up too quickly." Hopefully Dunn will get to K again this inning so the volume of boos will increase enough for JR to hear wherever he's hiding to get escape from this trainwreck. GREG, CAN YOU REALLYSTILL defend Ozzie after this game? Not pinch-hitting for Dunn, who was 3 for 81 against LHP before that at-bat? Total lack of fundamentals and execution. LOL at Rios walkoff grand slam after how badly we played today. 9-4 against the Indians this season.

Anyone want to predict who will not come through here to score Pierre, and the volume of booing? Ramirez took three room service fastballs last time he was up with a chance to win the game and the bat never left his shoulder...maybe challenging Dunn's worst at-bats of the season or Beckham/Rios with RISP. I don't even think I'm going to argue with Marty34 anymore about trading Ramirez. "Worst fundamental execution of any game we've seen this season." Indians' announcers. Yet the Ozzie-lovers will say that has ZERO to do with coaching, somehow.

In the meantime, DET has won 9 in a row with the Inge walk-off. 6 straight K's, 15 on the game for CLE. Santos with an ERA around 5 at home and around 1 on the road. WEIRD.

Dunn is now 3 for 82 against lefties. And yet Ozzie didn't use a pinch-hitter after it has been clear for months that nothing will result but more boos. "In all honesty, this is not a good game. When you've walked 9 batters, as the Indians have, you should lose. You know that you've got a bad ballclub when it comes to situational hitting (White Sox)." Indians broadcast team Really, I don't think I'm going to bother to listen to any games started by either Rios or Dunn. "Mind-boggling, how can they not scratch a run out of it? You wonder why Dunn was batting, or why he didn't bunt the runners over???"

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) Here's a prediction for next year: Rios is the starting LF and De Aza/Lillibridge platoon in CF. The Sox organization is supposedly extremely frustrated by Rios' defense in CF, and that seems to be even more obvious with Ozzie's quotes the other day. What did he say? Link?

I don't doubt that most here would choose Gardenhire over Guillen to manage the White Sox (if that were possible) for 2012. Maybe a poll? Maybe not. Kind of tired of this topic.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) It's pretty obvious you're the kind of guy who doesn't think for yourself. You'll agree with anyone who shares your mindset no matter how stupid they sound because you don't have the ability to see the big picture. You're the epitome of the common American these days: "I'm an AMERICAN and my opinion matters just as much as everyone else's... even if I have NO insight BEHIND my opinion. Why do I even HAVE the opinion I do? Well... I don't know! But I'll stay in firm belief of it because it's my right!" It's impossible to support Ozzie simply by saying "he's no Bevington." He's arguably the worst White Sox manager in modern history. Forget about the record, because he had some talented players on his roster, the guy was a buffoon and completely unprepared for the responsibility of managing a big league ballclub. Ozzie's not in that category yet, but he's getting closer and closer. The main thing that prevents his devolving into Bevington territory is always going to be 2005. That's his trump card. But all the statistical evidence has proven that the financial benefits of winning a World Series run out 5 years after a title.

Ooops, Tim Brown! Guess the Passan article was right above it and didn't take time to look at the byline.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkT2..._konerko_083111

There have been quite a few articles this year at yahoo sports, cnnsi, the sporting news, etc., all opining that this might be Guillen's last season. I don't think it would come as a COMPLETE surprise to anyone around baseball, especially those with knowledge about the situation with Oney Guillen, the back and forth sniping with KW and Ozzie, the numerous questionable line-up decisions in the 2nd half of the season. As far as "fair" or "unfair," it doesn't really matter what ANYONE thinks besides JR. To most Sox fans, it's certainly not "fair" that we have ZERO hope for a turnaround in 2012 with KW/Ozzie/Walker/Dunn/Rios/Peavy/Beckham/Morel all returning in their current/expected starting roles.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drive_2011/ Drive already has 15 positive reviews out of the 16 so far uploaded. Did anyone watch "THE INTERRUPTERS"?

Marty seems to know. Or not. Unless you're close to JR (as a writer), you have no idea whatsover.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:23 AM) You aren't at all concerned that the 2 would be average? There was the expectation by many that DeAza and Flowers wouldn't even be average, and they've certainly surprised for at least a month...although Flowers is seemingly "regressing to mean" now.

By that argument, we shouldn't trade Santos, Thornton, Ramirez, Danks, Quentin, etc., because they have an established "track record of success," and by definition, no prospects ever would. Or we should not expect Beckham/Dunn/Rios to turn around because of their past 18-24 months of play. We can't predict automatic failure for Humber/Stewart/Sale without accounting for their possible corollary, success. Nobody would have predicted in 1999/2000 that Mark Buehrle would end up with the greater career than any one of a number of about 10 other Sox pitching prospects of that time period when we were the BA #1 rated system.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 08:29 PM) About the only change I would make is instead of it was clear to it is likely. And I'm more cautious, I would not say huge difference. Maybe I'm just too negative right now. Alex Rios hitting 4th, 5th or 6th is still driving me crazy...including tonight.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 07:08 PM) Buehrle will still be here in 2013, IMO, possibly his final year with the team. I wouldn't be shocked if he signed a 2 year deal with a player or mutual option for a 3rd year.