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Ozzie's managing was so great!!! Ozzie didn't make a single mistake this entire game because we won. Just win, baby!!! Give him the extension right now. Even DJ and Farmer are saying how terrible we played...fifth time with bases loaded is finally the charm. Indians issued 11 walks and gave up 10 hits. If either Dunn or Ramirez are playing on Sunday, Ozzie should be fired on the spot....whenever that line-up card is posted.

There was another interesting revelation that the White Sox have admitted they messed up with Beckham...and that one executive with another MLB team said "The White Sox do the worst job in the majors of promoting players who are not properly prepared and bringing them up too quickly." Hopefully Dunn will get to K again this inning so the volume of boos will increase enough for JR to hear wherever he's hiding to get escape from this trainwreck. GREG, CAN YOU REALLYSTILL defend Ozzie after this game? Not pinch-hitting for Dunn, who was 3 for 81 against LHP before that at-bat? Total lack of fundamentals and execution. LOL at Rios walkoff grand slam after how badly we played today. 9-4 against the Indians this season.

Anyone want to predict who will not come through here to score Pierre, and the volume of booing? Ramirez took three room service fastballs last time he was up with a chance to win the game and the bat never left his shoulder...maybe challenging Dunn's worst at-bats of the season or Beckham/Rios with RISP. I don't even think I'm going to argue with Marty34 anymore about trading Ramirez. "Worst fundamental execution of any game we've seen this season." Indians' announcers. Yet the Ozzie-lovers will say that has ZERO to do with coaching, somehow.

In the meantime, DET has won 9 in a row with the Inge walk-off. 6 straight K's, 15 on the game for CLE. Santos with an ERA around 5 at home and around 1 on the road. WEIRD.

Dunn is now 3 for 82 against lefties. And yet Ozzie didn't use a pinch-hitter after it has been clear for months that nothing will result but more boos. "In all honesty, this is not a good game. When you've walked 9 batters, as the Indians have, you should lose. You know that you've got a bad ballclub when it comes to situational hitting (White Sox)." Indians broadcast team Really, I don't think I'm going to bother to listen to any games started by either Rios or Dunn. "Mind-boggling, how can they not scratch a run out of it? You wonder why Dunn was batting, or why he didn't bunt the runners over???"

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) Here's a prediction for next year: Rios is the starting LF and De Aza/Lillibridge platoon in CF. The Sox organization is supposedly extremely frustrated by Rios' defense in CF, and that seems to be even more obvious with Ozzie's quotes the other day. What did he say? Link?

I don't doubt that most here would choose Gardenhire over Guillen to manage the White Sox (if that were possible) for 2012. Maybe a poll? Maybe not. Kind of tired of this topic.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) It's pretty obvious you're the kind of guy who doesn't think for yourself. You'll agree with anyone who shares your mindset no matter how stupid they sound because you don't have the ability to see the big picture. You're the epitome of the common American these days: "I'm an AMERICAN and my opinion matters just as much as everyone else's... even if I have NO insight BEHIND my opinion. Why do I even HAVE the opinion I do? Well... I don't know! But I'll stay in firm belief of it because it's my right!" It's impossible to support Ozzie simply by saying "he's no Bevington." He's arguably the worst White Sox manager in modern history. Forget about the record, because he had some talented players on his roster, the guy was a buffoon and completely unprepared for the responsibility of managing a big league ballclub. Ozzie's not in that category yet, but he's getting closer and closer. The main thing that prevents his devolving into Bevington territory is always going to be 2005. That's his trump card. But all the statistical evidence has proven that the financial benefits of winning a World Series run out 5 years after a title.

Ooops, Tim Brown! Guess the Passan article was right above it and didn't take time to look at the byline.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkT2..._konerko_083111

There have been quite a few articles this year at yahoo sports, cnnsi, the sporting news, etc., all opining that this might be Guillen's last season. I don't think it would come as a COMPLETE surprise to anyone around baseball, especially those with knowledge about the situation with Oney Guillen, the back and forth sniping with KW and Ozzie, the numerous questionable line-up decisions in the 2nd half of the season. As far as "fair" or "unfair," it doesn't really matter what ANYONE thinks besides JR. To most Sox fans, it's certainly not "fair" that we have ZERO hope for a turnaround in 2012 with KW/Ozzie/Walker/Dunn/Rios/Peavy/Beckham/Morel all returning in their current/expected starting roles.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drive_2011/ Drive already has 15 positive reviews out of the 16 so far uploaded. Did anyone watch "THE INTERRUPTERS"?

Marty seems to know. Or not. Unless you're close to JR (as a writer), you have no idea whatsover.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:23 AM) You aren't at all concerned that the 2 would be average? There was the expectation by many that DeAza and Flowers wouldn't even be average, and they've certainly surprised for at least a month...although Flowers is seemingly "regressing to mean" now.

By that argument, we shouldn't trade Santos, Thornton, Ramirez, Danks, Quentin, etc., because they have an established "track record of success," and by definition, no prospects ever would. Or we should not expect Beckham/Dunn/Rios to turn around because of their past 18-24 months of play. We can't predict automatic failure for Humber/Stewart/Sale without accounting for their possible corollary, success. Nobody would have predicted in 1999/2000 that Mark Buehrle would end up with the greater career than any one of a number of about 10 other Sox pitching prospects of that time period when we were the BA #1 rated system.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 08:29 PM) About the only change I would make is instead of it was clear to it is likely. And I'm more cautious, I would not say huge difference. Maybe I'm just too negative right now. Alex Rios hitting 4th, 5th or 6th is still driving me crazy...including tonight.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 07:08 PM) Buehrle will still be here in 2013, IMO, possibly his final year with the team. I wouldn't be shocked if he signed a 2 year deal with a player or mutual option for a 3rd year.

C'mon Marty. You want to trade Santos and make who the closer? Everyone knows, from year to year, every closer is basically a gamble, by definition...unless it's Mo Rivera, Nathan, Hoffman in their primes, Valverde this year. You could have the perfect rotation, the offense clicking 100% and the team might still come up short because of the bullpen consistently imploding like it did during our 4-18 stretch. Without Thornton, Sale and Santos (and even Frasor), that bullpen suddenly becomes the team's biggest weakness, especially when Crain reverts back to his average performance trendline during his time in Minnesota and not how well he's pitched (for the most part) in 2010 and 2011.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 09:15 AM) I also believe they could easily have made the playoffs but we have different "ifs". Mine is "if" a couple key players played at 80% of potential, (which is why I give KW a passing grade). Based on how they actually performed, I don't believe they could have. You believe a different manager could have taken these same performances and somehow gotten them into the playoffs. I'm not convinced that backups to Dunn and Rios could have made up 8 games. We were clammoring for an upgrade at DH, not many people felt we had anyone in house that could fill the role. Backups would have done better, but Oz gambled, and lost, on Dunn eventually coming around. Obviously you believe the backups would have been enough to win the division. I will agree they would have given us a better chance, but I still do not believe it would have been enough. Are you really that happy with this roster? It was clear that Viciedo would have made a huge difference if called up at the start or middle of June...before he had his wrist problem. Of course, that would have meant giving up on Dunn after 2 1/2 months. But with how DeAza and Viciedo have hit, for the most part (which is clearly above the value of a replacement player)...arguments could certainly be made either way. Obviously, DET really has all the momentum going now. I read somewhere where this is only the 4th time in the last 75 years they've (the Tigers) outscored their opponents by such a margin over the course of 5 and 6 games (their recent stretch against us and CLE, including two huge come from behind victories, punctuated by today's GS by Martinez).

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) What is with the straw man responses? Yes, we made it interesting on August 5th, 6th and 7th, against a Minnesota team we had not beaten, IN Minnesota. Yes, we are done before labor day. Do you see how those two things are not mutually exclusive? Do you also see how the point of making it interesting on August 5th was that we beat the Twins when it actually counted a great deal? But according to the 11-22 start, it was impossible to win the division and nearly impossible to finish over .500, so skeptical fans were never buying into the fact that they were "really" back into the race, even at 3 games back for the very briefest period of time.

Thanks, Bruce Willis. At least DeAza is earning his playing time (HOPEFULLY) for 2012. Hopefully if this is Peavy's last start, he has something to build upon for next spring and he can finally ramp his velocity back up into the 94-95 MPH range and rediscover his slider. Ending up with a sub 5 ERA is also nice...well, it's an improvement of sorts, albeit against a AAA line-up.

Well, no matter what side of the conspiracy you're on...KW or Ozzie/JR, you shall get your answers soon enough in the offseason, one would hope. I don't think JR is stupid enough as a businessman to dare risk bringing his entire management team intact for 2012 (along with Rios and Dunn guaranteed starting roles, and without Mark Buehrle)....unless he wants to plummet to 12-18,000 in attendance per night.

Too bad we won't get to see a couple of Chris Sale 3-4 inning starts. Well, maybe it could happen once they're officially eliminated. Although odds are much more likely for a Santiago/Axelrod nod.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:57 PM) Here's my all-time favorite -- San Diego SS Enzo Hernandez, in 1971: 549 AB's, 12 RBI! http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaen01.shtml At least he was a SS/middle infielder and not a 3B, though. Wonder if he was a leadoff hitter or #9 guy? I would guess the last hitter in the line-up.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:43 PM) Twins SS just handled a pop-up to center . . . If Alexei Ramirez was one of the 10-15 biggest problems with this team...alas, he is not.