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Someone else quoted $6+ million. $3ish million makes a lot more sense. https://housethathankbuilt.com/posts/why-atlanta-braves-shouldn-t-cut-michael-soroka-on-friday-s-non-tender-deadline-01hf98qa01d1 Soroka, Patino, Touki, Scholtens, Cease, Kopech, Shuster, Eder, Mena, Nastrini…ten potential starters, some will come up with even 2-3 more. Quality level another question altogether.

Well 1/2 are already cost cutting or using the RSN/Bally bankruptcy as the main reasons. Twins and Indians really in cost-cutting mode. Benetti’s Tigers, conversely, seem like they will be the most aggressive with their window soon opening. Seems halfway due to Minny and Cleveland being unwilling to totally sell out for WS contending teams, once again using the excuse that teams like AZ and the Rangers didn’t even have to win their division to advance deep into the postseason. Obviously the DBacks went with youth over “crazy” spending in the minds of other owners.

Your exact quote. “Robert is coming off a 5 WAR season at a premium position (something Soto does not play) cost much less in money and is cost controlled till 2027 (Soto 2025). He will absolutely get a haul.” THROUGH 2027…not until. Until means he can leave after 2026.

Robert is also earning essentially what Soto gets in one year over the next three seasons. How many teams can legitimately afford $35 million per year players…AND will actually commit to spending that much?

Then Robert can’t be in 2027 when they have him under contract for 24-25-26-27…because that implies 2028. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/luis-robert-22648/ Soto will be at the end of 24, Robert 27. Or 25/28, but it can never be a two year differential. Or to do the opposite, Soto is 2024 and Robert 28. There can never be a 2 or 4 year differential when it’s 3.

That’s why the Benintendi “finishing move” was idiotic when they were still 6-8 players away from even .500 unless those names were guys like Harper Machado Wheeler.

The way it was written…it can’t be just a two year difference from 2025 to 27. Robert hits the market in 2027-2028, Soto in 2024-25.

Daryl Van Schouwen He has also been arguing that building around Robert is far and away the best path.

No guarantee they will roster Soroka at $6-7 million except for proving Getz and Bannister/Katz correct…a player with two years remaining is basically just a flip candidate in this situation anyway,

Sox have Robert four more seasons…Soto a FA at end of next season.

13. Shota Imanaga (30) 7-5, 159 IP, 2.66 ERA, 1.01 WHIP (Japan Central League/Japan Eastern League) 14. Kenta Maeda (35) 6-8, 104.1 IP, 4.23 ERA, 1.17 WHIP 17. Yariel Rodriguez (27) 6-2, 54.2 IP, 1.15 ERA, 0.92 WHIP (2022 stats, Japan Central League; didn't pitch in 2023 to prepare for MLB free agency) Rumors are circulating that, once Rodriguez applies for MLB Free Agency, his asking price will be anywhere between $50 to $70 million over five-plus years, which makes sense given he’s managed by Edgar Mercedes, who’s managed players like Luis Robert, Jr., and Yoenis Cespedes. 23. Luis Severino (30) 4-8, 89.1 IP, 6.65 ERA, 1.65 WHIP 24. Tyler Mahle (29) 1-2, 25.2 IP, 3.16 ERA, 1.05 WHIP 25. Jack Flaherty (28) 8-9, 144.1 IP, 4.99 ERA, 1.58 WHIP 26. Michael Lorenzen (32) 9-9, 153 IP, 4.18 ERA, 1.21 WHIP 27. Yuki Matsui (28) 39 saves, 57.1 IP, 1.57 ERA, 0.89 WHIP (Japan Pacific League) 28. Hyun-Jin Ryu (37) 3-3, 52 IP, 3.46 ERA, 1.29 WHIP 29. James Paxton (35) 7-5, 96 IP, 4.50 ERA, 1.31 WHIP 30. Frankie Montas (31) 1-0, 1.1 IP, 0.00 ERA, 2.25 WHIP https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/2024-mlb-free-agent-rankings-top-30-pitchers

And the wet blanket first half of a season from our most recent first rounder…

The move tells me that AA obviously has more to come, but he had to thin our 40 Man first. Trading any of these guys individually or in piecemeal deals would have returned nothing of any value. And what team would see any value in those 5 guys other than the Sox who likely utilize all of them this year. We traded five pennies for a nickel. Not at all. Eh, it’s more like we traded a penny and some pocket lint for another penny and the room to acquire other coins, which may or may not also be pennies. It’s not a good thing when you’re (Braves) giving up your 2019 and 2020 first round picks (make that three firsts in total). For a $5 million non-closer reliever. When you draft those guys you’re hoping they either become contributors, or trade value for a major piece. Yes, it was long enough ago that they shouldn’t merit special treatment due to their draft status, but it’s a sad admission nonetheless that two full years of #1 picks didn’t work out, even if they were both a little bit “let’s bank some overslot money” picks. Also, it can simultaneously be time to move on from Soroka while also being kinda sad that it’s happening. For his sake, I hope he makes this trade look like an incredibly bad decision. But it can still be the right choice. And it’s a choice that was made before this trade, AA had obviously decided he was going to be non-tendered and Soroka wasn’t going to accept the assignment

The five pieces the Braves gave up will bring a lot of name recognition, but I’m not sure any of them had a role in Atlanta next season besides Lopez. The trade opens up three spots on the club’s 40-man roster, which stands at 37. Michael Soroka will always be cheered for in Atlanta, but he was out of minor league options and was likely to be non-tendered on Friday given his extensive injury history. Michael will now have the opportunity to pitch every fifth day with the White Sox and hopefully regain the command that made him a special pitcher early in his career. Go get ‘em, kid. Jared Shuster showed in a couple of brief stints this past season that he lacks the stuff to get big league hitters out with any kind of consistency. After three years in Double-A and Triple-A, it’s safe to say the Braves aren’t taking a risk in moving on from the 25-year-old lefty. The same can be echoed for Braden Shewmake, who will turn 26 next month and posted a .705 OPS in Gwinnett this past season. The one surprise of the deal is Nicky Lopez, who is expected to earn $4 million in arbitration next season as the club’s primary backup infielder. Lopez is superb with the glove and runs the bases well, but he would rarely play in 2024 short of an injury to Albies or Arcia. Trading away Lopez does mean the club will need to add a utility infielder this winter. https://www.batterypower.com/2023/11/17/23965055/braves-trade-aaron-bummer-white-sox-michael-soroka

Three new names from the previous article… Connor Onion, who grew up in La Grange and lives in Chicago, also figures to be considered. He works for Big Ten Network and ESPN and called minor-league baseball from 2017 to 2022, including the Kane County Cougars when they were in the Diamondbacks’ system (2018-19). Two potential candidates with name recognition are Chris and Stefan Caray, the twin sons of former Cubs announcer Chip Caray and the great-grandsons of the late Harry Caray, who called Sox and Cubs games. For the last two seasons, the identical twins have called games together for the Diamondbacks’ Double-A affiliate, the Amarillo Sod Poodles, in the Texas League. It’s unknown whether they’re a package deal or if they’re willing to work apart.

Vaughn still has hair?

Romy and Remillard lol?

Why would KC benefit from an almost $30 million one year deal with Moncada? Perez has more value from a PR and marketing standpoint not even playing....just sitting in the dugout in a KC uniform as a player-manager.

Saved a good chunk of money that won't be reinvested...

Granderson for 5th outfielder next...

Now down to Crochet and Banks in the pen (LH side)...maybe one more name that didn't exactly distinguish himself 2nd half last year.

Reds' owner wasn't that far off Fisher's burning in effigy status before 2022...then an injection of exciting young talent turned everything around. Play an entertaining brand of competitive baseball and anything is possible, even in the smallest markets.

Who can Getz and Grifol blame for poor performance (other than Moncada and Eloy) when almost all of their so called bad attitude guys are gone but the team is still worse by a long shot in 2024??? Poor fan support? No discernible home field advantage?

F--k Boyer (again) This was during their supposed "championship window" as well. Sounds eerily reminiscent of Hahn defense mechanism...quoting broadcasting award.

Rangers and Padres also have these "all in one" destination site plans in place...Arlington already had at last park. Braves come to mind here as well. KC currently targeting such a plan with three different downtown spots under consideration.