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Boyer?

Those weren't Benetti quotes. They were anonymous insider sources without names attributed for quite obvious reasons. The Benetti story is getting mixed up with the Liptak/WSI one.

Would you still apply (again) to be the GM after all this? Under Reinsdorf and KW?

https://www.reddit.com/r/whitesox/comments/50kdow/wsd_was_just_told_wintrust_submit_a_bid_for/

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/gm-report/kc-chiefs-geha-field-at-arrowhead-stadium-is-a-monument-to-cynicism TIAA Bank in Jacksonville also pretty lousy but that’s not a government entity/non profit like GEHA. It would be similar to US armed forces branches sponsoring NASCAR.

Marketing department missed opportunity, lol…could have had forges/foundries lined up as giveaway day/night sponsors. Honestly thought it was Domingo German to add starting depth.

Interesting reaction from Red Sox fans. More head scratching, but not many rueing the loss of German. Good counterpoints. https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/sox-trade-franklin-german-to-white-sox-for-theo-denlinger-rhp.38709/

Sure, but decisions on Anderson, Giolito and Moncada have to be made in the next 6-18 months whether they want to or not. Grandal is already a sunk cost. Hendriks is complicated because they're on the hook for him longer term and they could get immediate returns on Lopez, Graveman and possibly Bummer to rebuild for 2024. Finally, would at least explore an extension with Lopez, but Sox unlikely to blow him away with an offer in their precarious financial state.

They have to start exploring options on trading Anderson as early as the deadline. Have to over in the cheaper and more promising Montgomery anyway. Giolito's obviously as good as gone. Moncada is going to have to be traded for 30-50 cents on the dollar if he rebounds the first three months of the season. The visions of him being the 2019 or even 2021 version with the Sox are long gone. Grandal, same thing as Moncada...although there's more obvious heir-apparent at catcher (Carlos Perez I guess), like Burger for third. Have to reposition for competing in 2024 after bringing the payroll down significantly. Hendriks and Clevinger being stuck on the roster makes all these moves even more likely. Have to cut out all the cancers to save the patient...well, obviously Lucas is a good guy and not responsible for the situation he now finds himself in. Try to find a way to deal him to the West Coast. If they do those things, feel more optimistic Luis Robert might be able to turn things around...and he's really the key player in any hope for avoiding a complete rebuild, along with Cease to a lesser extent. Summary: Use TA7, Giolito and Graveman and/or Lopez to start building up prospect capital. Dump Moncada and Grandal for whatever you can get back in savings or prospect capital. Give Montgomery and Colas time to grow and hit ground running in 2024.

https://www.si.com/mlb/dodgers/news/dodgers-mlb-executives-weigh-in-on-las-farm-system-kh21 https://theathletic.com/3132170/2022/02/16/hard-to-quantify-will-rhymes-on-how-the-dodgers-built-their-farm-system/ "The Dodgers have not selected in the top 10 of the Major League Baseball amateur draft since they took a tall high school left-hander from Texas named Clayton Kershaw with the seventh pick in 2006. They were tied with the Toronto Blue Jays for the lowest available international bonus pool during the most recent signing period. Last summer, they shipped off their two top prospects (Keibert Ruiz and Josiah Gray) as part of a package that netted them Max Scherzer and Trea Turner. And yet, they have The Athletic’s top farm system in baseball, with Keith Law referring to the group’s depth and upside as “hilarious.” The Dodgers have built a juggernaut at the major-league level by spending more than anyone — they were one of just two clubs, along with the Padres, to exceed the luxury tax threshold this past season. Then they’ve reinforced that depth and elevated their ceiling with homegrown talents. They have developed stars and key role players even without leveraging picks at the top of the first round." https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-front-office-selections-best-farm-systems Which team best develops pitchers? 46% -- Guardians 11% -- Dodgers 9% -- Astros, Marlins, Rays 6% -- Yankees Also received votes: Cardinals, Cubs, Mariners, Phillies "It’s worth sitting up and taking notice when the Guardians sign a pitcher these days, especially via the Draft. Eight of the arms on the team’s Wild Card roster in 2022 came via the Draft, mostly in the later rounds. And there are more coming, with first rounders like Daniel Espino and Gavin Williams along with fifth-rounder Tanner Bibee very well-regarded." Which team hoards prospects the most? 32% -- Guardians 15% -- Rays 12% -- Cardinals 9% -- Rockies 6% -- D-backs, Orioles, Yankees Also received votes: Marlins, Mets, Pirates, Rangers, Reds "This shouldn’t be seen as a slight, but rather a recognition that some teams hold onto prospects more than others. The Guardians need to rely on their farm system to compete, and they're more likely to hold on to their prospects and get them to the big leagues in Cleveland rather than use top ones to bring in big league talent."

Sanchez would be a much better bet than Zavala or Grandal but sunk costs...

But in that case he always preferred the Cardinals and the timing just worked out right...not sure if it was Jack/Joe Buck or Mike Shannon he was originally paired with. Al Hrabowsky?

But Burger can play 3B, 2B and 1B!!! (Just not all that well.)

Cueto covered a ton of innings that would have further exposed the back of the bullpen, though. It's the opposite of years past when guys like Baldwin or Danny Wright were terrible but won a lot behind the Sox offense. (Cueto, to summarize, was good no matter how you slice it. He was also good for settling the clubhouse...along with Harrison and later Andrus.) Losing Crochet also hurt more than realized...as it put even more pressure/responsibility on Bummer. And now having just Graveman/Lopez/Kelly/Bummer at the back end...it's going to be almost impossible to find another closer earlier than June/July if they do falter. Assuming they can add any more salary, which would require much more than the expected 16-24000 variety of attendance for most of April/May.

See the days of Jerry Owens, Josh Fields, Wasserman, etc. They had to make Top Ten lists every year, so naturally fans would get excited...but those players wouldn't have made lists for most other teams other than Fields as a traditionally-challenged Sox first rounder without a position. Can't remember the 2B and catching prospects, but there was a Latin catcher on the BA list for 2-3 years that never even made it to the majors. A similar player that comes to mind is that kid with the Cards (Hahn's high school) who was on the periphery of their Top Ten at the time but did almost nothing for the Sox...could also never stay healthy.

Hate it all you want, but the Padres have five starters (Nick Martinez and Seth Lugo replacing Manaea and He Who Shall Not Be Named)...and eight candidates and counting for the 6th spot. Those eight are Pedro Avila, Jay Groome, Brent Honeywell Jr., Reiss Knehr, Adrian Morejon, Ryan Weathers, Wilmer Font and Julio Teheran. At least four former Top Ten prospects and or high draft picks in that group and they're still not satisfied and will continue to add/scour the market. On the other hand, nobody in baseball can really take the White Sox all that seriously with almost no depth after Caleb Martin...who most knowledgeable fans were hoping wouldn't be in the rotation in the first place. We also are quite well aware of how shaky Lynn and Kopech are health-wise, too. Finally, what are the odds of another Rodon 2021 or Cueto in 2022 under $5 million? Of near perfect health? Mind boggling for a team with the current payroll to be in this dire position depth-wise.

Yeah, made it to Chicago in 2016, obviously many times in Old Com iskey. Minnesota in 2018 and SF in 2019 before Covid. SF is definitely won of the nicest new stadiums. Like it a lot more than Safeco...which is still nice. Both LA for me were nice, especially?Chavez. Old Yankee Stadium. Old Memorial in Baltimore. Wrigley. Both STL. Both Pitt. Tucson for ST. Glendale. Both Detroit. Probably 30-40 in KC. Atlanta Fulton County. Old Memorial in CLE prior to Jacobs/Progressive. Both Arlington. Only 21, half yours. 47 states, lived/worked in China, Colombia, Thailand (w/ La Roche and son on patrol, joking), Philippines, Indonesia and South Korea. Guess country count is low 40's, have to do a summer in Europe to pick up another good bunch.

17 years back is a bit much to cover for all the lean years in between...yes, everything went almost perfectly in every personnel move in 2004/2005. Especially Contreras and Jenks for free.

Like charted, chartered, uncharted, unchartered...basically the White Sox are the modern-day equivalent of algae floating on top of turgid water. Can't imagine any MLB team so mired in mediocrity (at or around .a 500 record last year) with a more dispirited fanbase or less hope/s for 2-3 years from now. "Turgid describes something that's swollen, typically by fluids, like a turgid water balloon that's way too big to resist dropping on your friend's head." Didn't quite use it correctly, but it just sounds right to describe the hopeless feeling described herein.

LOL. Accountability?

"Fall in Chicago." No accompanying Guaranteed Rate down arrow included there?

You're proving/validating the case that race/culture is another potential factor with your five provided examples. (Adrian Peterson inexplicably wasn't thrown into the mix, somehow, as that's more directly related to child abuse.)

They're not going to have a legit pitching staff the next two years, for one...assuming Giolito is gone and no Clevinger and absolutely perfect health from the other three. We sort of have a closer in Graveman/Reynaldo, but that Hendriks situation is problematic from a salary/payroll standpoint. And the Moncada contract is heading in the direction of disaster as well unless we see a dramatic turnaround.

Well, it seems you are making the argument white players are being targeted now and African-American and Spanish players seemingly are not, at least to the same extent. Of course, it basically cost Addison Russell his career. All that said, having lived in Colombia for a year, there's a sense of entitlement for the machismo culture that predominates in a number of Caribbean, Latin and South American countries. Men (especially athletes) used to get a free pass from society...that's slowly changing. Slowly. I saw this recent case on my feed (former Astros' Venezuelan AA prospect dating back to 2016, half expected a White Sox history) and couldn't believe the sense of raw entitlement. Like he was shooing away a fly. https://www.kaotic.com/video/eade1ec8_20230127171821_t (Graphic violence. Not for faint of heart.)

Derek Norris in 2017. https://fansided.com/2022/04/29/longest-suspensions-major-league-baseball-history/ (Oh, what would they make of Chuck Finley and Tawny Kitaen today...? No longer a laughing matter culturally like it was back then. Of course, he was 6'7" too.)